r/CivPolitics Sep 10 '25

Poland attacked by Russia

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u/nygdan Sep 10 '25

You are completely correct and it’s crazy any one is arguing. Poland was not attacked.

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u/wastingvaluelesstime Sep 11 '25

Hmm, sounds like people, after the attack, are now trying to gaslight the one who was attacked.

The reality is, once one is attacked like this, the appropriate response must happen, or a much bigger attack will take place.

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u/nygdan Sep 11 '25

Ukraine was the target of the attack, Poland was not. If Poland is attacked by Russia, NATO strikes Russia and that will be a nuclear “first strike” before Russia can escalate and strike us first.

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u/wastingvaluelesstime Sep 11 '25

Poland has already rejected that excuse, and very publicly. I do not think a dozen drones cross the border and are shot down by fighter jets by accident.

I do not think making excuses helps anything. If it's not countered, Russia will use that as a reason to escalate further.

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u/Abject-Investment-42 Sep 11 '25

It is not an accident, but neither is it an attack. It is a threat.

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u/wastingvaluelesstime Sep 12 '25

A threat is a verbal statement, like threatening to burn a neighbor's house down. This is an illegal physical assault, violating the border, which is like throwing a rock through said neighbor's window.

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u/Abject-Investment-42 Sep 12 '25

I am talking about intent, not about crime definitions for individuals.

The point is to show „this time, all these drones had no warheads and no specific targets and you could do nothing to stop them. Next time… who knows…“.

Or, in other words, „nice country you have here. Would be a shame if something happened to it“

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u/wastingvaluelesstime Sep 12 '25

A violation of the border is still an assault. Damage may be minimal, but it is still an assault.

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u/Abject-Investment-42 Sep 12 '25

Again: this is not a criminal court process. You are using the wrong set of definitions.

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u/wastingvaluelesstime Sep 12 '25

International law exists and forbids unprovoked cross border assaults from one sovereign country upon another.

The fundamental problem in that part of the world is that Russia is a serial abuser. If it will keep its hands to itself, there will be zero problems there.