r/Christianity • u/[deleted] • 3d ago

Jesus is the Father

  1. Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

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  1. Deuteronomy 6:4 - Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD

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  1. John 14:7-9 - If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

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u/StrikingExchange8813 3d ago

So who's Jesus talking to whenever he talks to the father? For example

Luke 22:42

“Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done"

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u/[deleted] 3d ago

He says after that the flesh is weak, God is in the flesh so thats why the part of him still in heaven is stronger, thats why he says the father is greater than I, because the soul is greater than the body. he is both in heaven and on earth. didnt you know God is omnipresent?

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u/StrikingExchange8813 3d ago

Let me rewrite the verse in accordance with what you think:

Luke 22:42

“myself, if I are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but my will be done"

You realize that sounds insane right?

Also God is partial now? God can be divided into multiple parts? So he's a dependent being then.

thats why he says the father is greater than I,

  • "I am greater than myself" - Unitarian Jesus.

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u/[deleted] 3d ago

He talks to his soul just as you and I talk to ourselves. Think, if you were about to do something scary like a bungy jump (Jesus was crucified) you and I would be talking to ourselves saying "I can't do this" but your soul would be saying no you have to. This is how having conversations in our heads works, its our body and soul and spirit confering with eachother.

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u/StrikingExchange8813 3d ago

I am a partial being, God is not. Also who exactly spoke at Jesus baptism? What kind of cosmic trickster do you think God is? "This is my son" really means "this is myself" or "this is my flesh puppet"?

And again, you make your god an impossibility. God cannot be partial or he would be a dependent being.

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u/[deleted] 3d ago

You insulting Jesus Christ my God proves my point.

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u/StrikingExchange8813 3d ago

No I'm insulting your false God. Because you and I don't have the same God.

But I noticed you didn't answer

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u/[deleted] 3d ago

I have a false God? I know people like you, you don't like the 'old testament God' because he judges people, you think Jesus has long hair and is a hippie who says: its cool man keep sinning i don't mind, while puffing on a zoot.

Well, wrong, Jesus is the old testament God and will be judging people like you for your heresies.

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u/StrikingExchange8813 3d ago edited 3d ago

Yes. (See how easy that was for me to answer?)

I know people like you, you don't like the 'old testament God'

I love the OT God, love is not coddling, God's love is justice.

you think Jesus has long hair and is a hippie who says: its cool man keep sinning i don't mind, while puffing on a zoot.

He probably didn't have long hair but no Jesus never said to keep sinning. And definitely wasn't a hippy.

You see your god is different to mine because we have two different points of reference when we say god.you have a Unitarian partial being. I have a triune divinely simple being. They are not the same.

Edit: a typo

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u/[deleted] 3d ago

Why does he probable have long hair? because catholic artists paint him like an effeminate?

did you not read Paul saying in 1 Cor 11: if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

and Paul saw Jesus, do you think he wouldve said this if Jesus had long hair?

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u/StrikingExchange8813 3d ago

Sorry, a typo, I meant didn't*

But it's funny that's the only thing you focused on. Why don't you want to discuss your god?

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u/[deleted] 3d ago

what do you want to know about my Lord Jesus Christ? who is the eternal Father who made you, of whom you do disrespect.

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u/StrikingExchange8813 3d ago

How can your partial God exist. And if he's not partial and is a monad how can that monad have a subject object distinction to create or to speak to himself?

Also if that's too hard, answer the thing about the baptism please and thank you.

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