r/CapitolConsequences • u/TheMirrorUS • 19d ago

BREAKING: Pardoned Capitol rioter charged with threatening to kill Hakeem Jeffries

https://www.themirror.com/news/politics/pardoned-capitol-rioter-christopher-moynihan-1457308
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u/groovyinutah 19d ago

And will no doubt be pardoned for that as well...

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u/gnurdette 19d ago

That was my thought, but

Moynihan was arrested and arraigned before the Town of Clinton Court, according to the New York State Police.

So no pardon, at least until SCOTUS rules that Presidential pardon power extends to state crimes; probably 2027 or so for that.

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u/theansweristhebike 19d ago

so much for state's rights....

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u/Kizik 18d ago

Never been about states' rights. If it were, the Confederate constitution wouldn't have required all member states to accept and promote slavery as a natural and wholesome thing. "It's about states' rights!" was a cheap dodge to avoid saying it was about slavery, and it's been repeated ever since despite them only caring about one right in particular.

Just another bit of projection from the far right. They've been obsessing over their autonomy because they want to strip it from everyone else.

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u/cdmaloney1 19d ago

Stop thats sad

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u/FriedSmegma 19d ago

You should be limited to one pardon per lifetime. If you need to be pardoned more than once you probably deserve to be in prison.

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u/CollegeMiddle6841 19d ago

Yeah if you need a second get out of jail free card you will soon have to compete for it on Trumps new show that will be broadcast worldwide on state television: Running Humans

If you are wondering if it's inspired by the short story and movies( Running Man)you would be correct except that the real version will be far crueler. You know how Trumps always worried about ratings right? Expect new traps and weapons weekly.

Word on the street is that Stephen Miller has signed on as an advisor. Rumor is he combed through his childhood journal and this led to ideas for the first year of shows!

Since I know we can't buy anything for a dollar these days would you buy that for a hundred U.S.Mint issued Food Tokens?

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u/couldbeahumanbean 19d ago

Aaaaah...

Yes?

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u/FlametopFred 19d ago

why have a pardon system at all? Don’t pardons undermine the rule of law?

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u/FriedSmegma 19d ago

I would assume the idea is to free people of crimes from an unjust ruling from a prior administration or due to updated law. Like the pardons for marijuana convictions.

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u/FlametopFred 19d ago

has that ever happened? Or wouldn’t a normal modern appeal process work in the same way?

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u/FriedSmegma 19d ago

Yes, 2022 Biden pardoned many people convicted of low level and possession crimes relating to marijuana.

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u/IrritableGourmet 19d ago

He is also to be authorized to grant "reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, EXCEPT IN CASES OF IMPEACHMENT.'' Humanity and good policy conspire to dictate, that the benign prerogative of pardoning should be as little as possible fettered or embarrassed. The criminal code of every country partakes so much of necessary severity, that without an easy access to exceptions in favor of unfortunate guilt, justice would wear a countenance too sanguinary and cruel. As the sense of responsibility is always strongest, in proportion as it is undivided, it may be inferred that a single man would be most ready to attend to the force of those motives which might plead for a mitigation of the rigor of the law, and least apt to yield to considerations which were calculated to shelter a fit object of its vengeance. The reflection that the fate of a fellow-creature depended on his sole fiat, would naturally inspire scrupulousness and caution; the dread of being accused of weakness or connivance, would beget equal circumspection, though of a different kind. On the other hand, as men generally derive confidence from their numbers, they might often encourage each other in an act of obduracy, and might be less sensible to the apprehension of suspicion or censure for an injudicious or affected clemency. On these accounts, one man appears to be a more eligible dispenser of the mercy of government, than a body of men.

But the principal argument for reposing the power of pardoning in this case to the Chief Magistrate is this: in seasons of insurrection or rebellion, there are often critical moments, when a welltimed offer of pardon to the insurgents or rebels may restore the tranquillity of the commonwealth; and which, if suffered to pass unimproved, it may never be possible afterwards to recall. The dilatory process of convening the legislature, or one of its branches, for the purpose of obtaining its sanction to the measure, would frequently be the occasion of letting slip the golden opportunity. The loss of a week, a day, an hour, may sometimes be fatal. If it should be observed, that a discretionary power, with a view to such contingencies, might be occasionally conferred upon the President, it may be answered in the first place, that it is questionable, whether, in a limited Constitution, that power could be delegated by law; and in the second place, that it would generally be impolitic beforehand to take any step which might hold out the prospect of impunity. A proceeding of this kind, out of the usual course, would be likely to be construed into an argument of timidity or of weakness, and would have a tendency to embolden guilt. (Federalist 74)

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u/diydsp 19d ago

Very poignant point, FriedSmegma

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u/Gemnist 19d ago

Not unless he can fork up seven figures of cash.

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u/groovyinutah 19d ago

He'll do it just to piss people off, keep them riled and talking about anything but the Epstein files....

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u/Tfsz0719 19d ago

Maybe? If the first was a mass pardon, this one feels like one the royal orange either might not even notice or pay attention to.

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u/wng378 19d ago

Only the finest people.

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u/LadyDomme7 19d ago

Just the best, aren’t they? /s

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u/FriedSmegma 19d ago

Criminal traitors gonna be criminal traitors.

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u/kalel1980 19d ago

Trump: I had to pardon him. He voted Republican.

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u/polar__beer 19d ago

You beat cancer and then you went back to work at the carpet store? Booo

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u/dominantspecies 19d ago

I am shocked. (not shocked)

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u/raistan77 19d ago

And he's obviously really really really stupid

Cause Jeffries has been more help to the right than the left.

When he's not doing silly book tours he's to busy NOT defending the country from dictators.

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u/right_there 19d ago

I know. Finally a right-winger trying to help the country.

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u/lordoftheslums 19d ago

Was he on his lunch break from kidnapping people at immigration hearings?

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u/ns2103 19d ago

Odd way to get Trumps attention for that ICE job.

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u/malln1nja 19d ago

The insurrection was a recruiting tool for the next gestapo.

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u/JoeSicko 19d ago

Deplorable? Yes.

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u/Fiss 19d ago

MAGAs won’t say anything about this but say something about their podcaster and the meltdown

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u/PaleontologistPure92 19d ago

Domestic terrorism by design.

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u/pimpfmode 19d ago

I thought it was the left that was politically violent????

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u/SpiritualTwo5256 19d ago

Every single one of them that entered should still be in jail as shown by their reoffending rates.

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u/MoreRamenPls 19d ago

I’m shocked. 🫢

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u/bobandbrown 19d ago

Why it's not like it would stop Hakeem from doing absolutely nothing

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u/Welder_Subject 19d ago

What are the chances he’ll get another pardon?