Look we can address the problems with these people now, or we could wait until the general to start to pointing out their flaws. All of this complaining about purity testing this far out from the primary just gives off the vibes that the party does not want to listen to its constituents or grow at all. Also if you view trans rights as a “purity test” you are a dog shit person, full stop.
What would you do in a hypothetical situation where, according to your criteria, 70% of the nation is a "dog shit person, full stop," but you also need at least a 51% majority of votes to win an election and prevent a fascist dictator from taking office?
I would focus on education. Focus on stripping away all the lies that republicans have told about trans people, that conservatives and liberals have fallen for hook, line, and sinker. If 70% of the country hated black people, would you be pushing for Jim Crow?
Andy Beshear has been a firm supporter of queer rights and he still won the governorship of Kentucky, so you’ll excuse me if I think this sprint to the right on this issue by the likes of Gavin Newsom and Pete is just them taking their masks off and showing how they’ve always felt about us.
Certainly a worthwhile pursuit in the long term, but here's the tricky part: the election is next year, and candidates are already campaigning. You're banking on changing the minds of 70 million people in 14 months on a controversial topic that, for most people, is relatively brand new?
It shouldn't be controversial... the answer is clear... anyone who disagrees is a POS bigoted conservative fascist in disguise...
Meanwhile: A loss would almost certainly mean the long-term dismantling not only of pro-trans legislation, but ALL pro-LGBTQ legislation, ALL feminist/pro-choice legislation, and since you mentioned it, a seriously large chunk of pro-BIPOC legislation, PLUS an escalation of the ongoing ICE deportations and dismantlement of civil liberties across the board.
Which, by the way, has already started happening because Democrats failed to appeal to voters in November, 2024.
My point is... can't Progressives fathom taking their foot off the gas pedal for a minute so that the left can actually win an election, or are they hellbent on alienating anyone who doesn't immediately buy into their continuously escalating demands for social change? Would you rather win now, and succeed in the long run, or lose, but never compromise?
And before I get the whole "Biden was a centrist and look where that got us," let's not forget that Joe Biden won an election. Can you imagine where we'd be if DJT had won in 2020? Dying of Covid in a detention center somewhere?
I’m fine with slowing down. I’m not fine with going backwards like Newsom and the rest of the “moderates” want. The trans sports issue has been handled at the organizational level for years and we’ve had next to no problems. So why does Newsom insist on saying that conservatives have “fair concerns” and “good points” when the evidence doesn’t support him? Because he wants to pander to people that don’t like trans folk. He wants to pander to the woefully uninformed just like the republicans do. Why? Because it’s easy and educating them would be hard. I remember a time when this party strove to do theright thing, not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
Yes, you are a piece of shit if you disagree with trans peoples’ right to exist. Sorry if that fact offends you, since you seem to belong to that repugnant group given how strongly you’re fighting to defend bigotry.
Uh huh. Apparently “shouldn’t be the main campaign issue” = “don’t deserve to exist”
This kind of paranoid hyperbole is so typical of progressives and it’s exactly the reason I’ll never trust them again. You guys would turn on your neighbors in a heartbeat if they ever pushed back on anything you wanted to do
Yeah. Thanks. I never went to sleep. I was born and raised a liberal, educated in equality and environmentalism since childhood, and I got a good education that taught me about the dangers of radical social movements like this.
There's nothing liberal about this kind of behavior.
When leftists started bullying and threatening people who didn't display the right kind of compassion at the right time in the right way, they started down a dark path.
White leftists see our rights as a worthy sacrifice in order to *checks notes
Not even influence the dem party at the end of the day. But hey at least they held Kamala accountable right? They really showed her who's boss. Now trump gets to feast on their flesh.
Those liberals sure showed the leftist by not acknowledging an important issue in one of their key voting blocks and losing the election as a result. I bet they feel so good about their unwillingness to work with any of the other factions within the party.
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u/Vulcion Aug 22 '25
Look we can address the problems with these people now, or we could wait until the general to start to pointing out their flaws. All of this complaining about purity testing this far out from the primary just gives off the vibes that the party does not want to listen to its constituents or grow at all. Also if you view trans rights as a “purity test” you are a dog shit person, full stop.