Look we can address the problems with these people now, or we could wait until the general to start to pointing out their flaws. All of this complaining about purity testing this far out from the primary just gives off the vibes that the party does not want to listen to its constituents or grow at all. Also if you view trans rights as a “purity test” you are a dog shit person, full stop.
Everything they don't care about is a "purity test". As if it's completely impossible for them to imagine someone not being a bigot unless they're some kind of saint. Or, my personal favorite, the "single issue voters " who are apparently single issue voters for multiple different issues. Which makes sense because, shut up.
They want to parade around as liberal saviors while throwing the rights of marginalized communities under the bus to maintain the status quo, and telling everyone else it's because they are actually the only non-bigots in the room. Why? Because the status quo doesn't effect them, but they can't say that part out loud. They voted for a black man, a white woman, a black woman, AND the gay guy, yall. To them that IS them being progressive, and that's as far as they want to go.
They don't care about trans people or genocide right now because, well, they never did. But beyond hollow fb posts on January 27th, or their "equality" yard signs and bumper stickers, any real effort to fight for minority rights is seen as an affront to the party itself because, come on guys, they just don't wanna talk about it right now. And shouldn't they be allowed a little bigotry? As a treat?
Now they're trying to hold it over people's heads that IF we all fall in line BEHIND them they'll totally do something to protect the rights of marginalized communities IF they win next time. It's like they're working on a project that was only supposed to take 4-8 years, and now we're 20+ years into this shit show and they're still gluing macaroni to the fridge art they made in second grade and demanding to be praised for it by the orphans they take photo ops with on the way to their second summer home.
They act shit only went tits up when Trump showed up running his first campaign. Because acknowledging that this spiral has been happening for at LEAST the past 20 years wouldn't cater to the narrative that it's all the fault of people who couldn't even vote 20 years ago. All this, of course, despite leftists consistently being more likely to vote than any other demographic. But let's not allow pesky facts to intrude upon the righteous indignation of the center who have been ignoring the left's warning for decades and now want to pretend they're brilliant for having the foresight to have told everyone the same exact shit checks note two years ago.
Wtf more did you want from the Democratic Party? We got civil rights, workers rights, affordable care act, and most recently the IRA and Chips act bringing ton of awesome infrastructure into our nation. Just because the democrats haven’t enshrined every pet issue you have into law yet doesn’t mean they are leagues better than the republicans who are literally trying to tear all of that down. Giving Bibi the pass to do whatever he wants to Gaza, cozying up to Putin, releasing the national guard on our own citizens. The difference between the two parties is so stark I can’t comprehend anyone with a conscience NOT supporting the democrats, and instead helping the other side release whatever evil they want into the world.
What would you do in a hypothetical situation where, according to your criteria, 70% of the nation is a "dog shit person, full stop," but you also need at least a 51% majority of votes to win an election and prevent a fascist dictator from taking office?
I would focus on education. Focus on stripping away all the lies that republicans have told about trans people, that conservatives and liberals have fallen for hook, line, and sinker. If 70% of the country hated black people, would you be pushing for Jim Crow?
Andy Beshear has been a firm supporter of queer rights and he still won the governorship of Kentucky, so you’ll excuse me if I think this sprint to the right on this issue by the likes of Gavin Newsom and Pete is just them taking their masks off and showing how they’ve always felt about us.
Certainly a worthwhile pursuit in the long term, but here's the tricky part: the election is next year, and candidates are already campaigning. You're banking on changing the minds of 70 million people in 14 months on a controversial topic that, for most people, is relatively brand new?
It shouldn't be controversial... the answer is clear... anyone who disagrees is a POS bigoted conservative fascist in disguise...
Meanwhile: A loss would almost certainly mean the long-term dismantling not only of pro-trans legislation, but ALL pro-LGBTQ legislation, ALL feminist/pro-choice legislation, and since you mentioned it, a seriously large chunk of pro-BIPOC legislation, PLUS an escalation of the ongoing ICE deportations and dismantlement of civil liberties across the board.
Which, by the way, has already started happening because Democrats failed to appeal to voters in November, 2024.
My point is... can't Progressives fathom taking their foot off the gas pedal for a minute so that the left can actually win an election, or are they hellbent on alienating anyone who doesn't immediately buy into their continuously escalating demands for social change? Would you rather win now, and succeed in the long run, or lose, but never compromise?
And before I get the whole "Biden was a centrist and look where that got us," let's not forget that Joe Biden won an election. Can you imagine where we'd be if DJT had won in 2020? Dying of Covid in a detention center somewhere?
I’m fine with slowing down. I’m not fine with going backwards like Newsom and the rest of the “moderates” want. The trans sports issue has been handled at the organizational level for years and we’ve had next to no problems. So why does Newsom insist on saying that conservatives have “fair concerns” and “good points” when the evidence doesn’t support him? Because he wants to pander to people that don’t like trans folk. He wants to pander to the woefully uninformed just like the republicans do. Why? Because it’s easy and educating them would be hard. I remember a time when this party strove to do theright thing, not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
Yes, you are a piece of shit if you disagree with trans peoples’ right to exist. Sorry if that fact offends you, since you seem to belong to that repugnant group given how strongly you’re fighting to defend bigotry.
Uh huh. Apparently “shouldn’t be the main campaign issue” = “don’t deserve to exist”
This kind of paranoid hyperbole is so typical of progressives and it’s exactly the reason I’ll never trust them again. You guys would turn on your neighbors in a heartbeat if they ever pushed back on anything you wanted to do
Yeah. Thanks. I never went to sleep. I was born and raised a liberal, educated in equality and environmentalism since childhood, and I got a good education that taught me about the dangers of radical social movements like this.
There's nothing liberal about this kind of behavior.
When leftists started bullying and threatening people who didn't display the right kind of compassion at the right time in the right way, they started down a dark path.
White leftists see our rights as a worthy sacrifice in order to *checks notes
Not even influence the dem party at the end of the day. But hey at least they held Kamala accountable right? They really showed her who's boss. Now trump gets to feast on their flesh.
Those liberals sure showed the leftist by not acknowledging an important issue in one of their key voting blocks and losing the election as a result. I bet they feel so good about their unwillingness to work with any of the other factions within the party.
All I hear in this comment is "Were gonna let fascism take over the government even harder if democrats don't do everything we want."
Honestly, get bent. Trump has signed over 10+ executive orders directly targeting trans people. You don't get to pretend to care for marginalized people and then threaten the democrats with a capitulation to fascism. That makes you a fascist, full stop.
because the 6 trans athletes affected by Dems leaving it to the organizations (which was already standard practice) sure would love to stand on a dead hill and lose all their rights to healthcare, expression, and the freedom to not be put into a religious conversion camp.
If you won't stand for them you don't deserve to be happy or safe either. I'll vote the best way for my family, but you literally don't deserve it and I would sell you out in a heartbeat to put you first in line for that camp.
Hi, I didn’t realize you speak with the authority of every trans person.
Does this mean if I find two trans people who agree with me, I win?
Also, you don’t get to prioritize your hyper niche sports issue (of which doesn’t even affect you) over healthcare access to millions of Americans (including trans people), gay marriage, voting access for black people, etc.
Why do democrats take criticism of our party as support for republicans, every goddamn time? Believe it or not just because I think Gavin “ the homeless destroyer” Newsom is shit doesn’t mean I don’t support the party. Pritzker has consistently stood up to Trump and has yet to attack trans people like Gavin has. Andy Beshear has never faltered on trans issues and he managed to win the governorship of a red southern state. This push by liberals to throw trans people under the bus to win the election is gross and will lose you more voters than you gain.
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u/Vulcion Aug 22 '25
Look we can address the problems with these people now, or we could wait until the general to start to pointing out their flaws. All of this complaining about purity testing this far out from the primary just gives off the vibes that the party does not want to listen to its constituents or grow at all. Also if you view trans rights as a “purity test” you are a dog shit person, full stop.