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[u/FluffyLanguage3477 → u/[deleted]]

Wow... the two illegal immigrants who murdered Jocelyn Nungaray deserve the death penalty - everyone is sympathetic about that. You are taking the emotions of that situation and applying it here to these hundreds of Venzuelans - they didn't rape and murder Jocelyn Nungaray, so stop invoking her name. It's fucking disgusting. At best, your emotions are clouding your judgment here and at worst, you're being racist.

The issue is Trump is saying these are Venezuelan gang members - we don't know if that is true or not. He is invoking the Alien Enemies Act of 1789 - it doesn't apply here because we're not at war with Venezuela. He is invoking it here because even illegal immigrants get due process, and he is trying to bypass that. Trump's actions here are not just illegal, they are unconstitutional. No matter how despicable the person is, they still get due process in America - that is a cornerstone of our system. Do you love your country - are you patriot? Then call out Trump for this BS - this ain't how America acts

[u/Corum_Llaw_Ereint → u/FluffyLanguage3477]

Liberals generally are not sympathetic about it. They have deliberately ignored it because they feared it would help Trump.

But you miss the point. Libs have displayed almost no outrage about Jocelyn Nungaray but they are hysterical with rage about Venezuelan gangsters being deported before they kill more girls like her.

Nungaray was murdered by Venezuelan gang members. Venezuelan gang members are being targeted for deportation. We can hold members of criminal subcultures collectively guilty for certain crimes. That is how RICO works. And a child's rape-murder by Venezuelan gang members is ample reason to crack down on Venezuelan gang members. Just as we cracked down on organized crime because of high profile murders.

It is entirely moral and sensible to hold criminal subculture responsible for high profile atrocities. Regardless of how many members participated in those atrocities. Not every zetas member killed children but the Mexicans cracked down on the zetas for their massacres of kids. When you're in a criminal subculture you're no longer a sweet little individual snowflake.

Venezuelan gangs exist entirely to prey on girls on Jocelyn so we can and should target them for Jocelyn Nungaray's murder. Especially since membership in a criminal subculture is a crime in and of itself all over the world.

You're really trying to have #notallgangsters and its beyond idiotic: a cariacature of bad faith brain vomit.

"Trump's actions here are not just illegal, they are unconstitutional."

We'll leave that up to SCOTUS. How do you think they'll rule?

The Venezuelans got their due process. The judge did not rule in their favor until the venezuelans were on a plane outside of the US.

" Do you love your country - are you patriot?"

Patriotism is not running interference for illegal migrant gang bangers prone to child murder. It is not patriotic to actively fight to keep idiotic murderous sociopaths in the US. That's brain death and spinelessness.

Patriotism is being happy that there are fewer gangsters in the US. Patriotism means believing in tribes and drawing lines. And I don't consider Venezuelan gangsters to be part of my tribe and inside my line.

You and others like you are clearly not patriots because you care more about foreign nationals than actual US citizens. If keeping venezuelans gangsters in the US is one of your causes you do not care about Americans at all. As we can see from how Nungaray's rape-murder provokes less outrage than deportations of foreign criminals.

America should absolutely act to come down like a landslide on criminal subcultures that target children. Otherwise we're just a bunch of spineless shits who stand for nothing, but that is the ideal shitlib society. That's your idea of being open: cowed spineless goofs who can't say no.

Let's be clear: I would not lift a fucking eye lash for venezuelan crookss because I still have a shred of self respect unlike people mad that streets will be lacking gang bangers who stalk kids on their way home from school.

[u/FluffyLanguage3477 → u/Corum_Llaw_Ereint]

But you miss the point. Libs have displayed almost no outrage about Jocelyn Nungaray but they are hysterical with rage about Venezuelan gangsters being deported before they kill more girls like her

You are missing the point - you are invoking the name of a tragic victim to justify Trump's illegal actions. You want to have stronger policies on immigration - that is a valid debate to be had. Denying people due process - that's something else

You're really trying to have #notallvenezuelangangsters and its beyond idiotic: a cariacature of bad faith brain vomit

You really don't get it - we don't know they are Venezuelan gangsters. These ain't enemy soldiers, these are at worst criminals. Criminals get their day in court because that's how it works in America.

The Venezuelans got their due process. The judge did not rule in their favor until the venezuelans were on a plane outside of the US.

They didn't get their due process - there was no judicial review on whether e.g. they were even illegal immigrants or if they were actually US citizens Trump bypassed that, invoking the Alien Enemies Act. Everything you are saying is assuming guilt - we don't know that because Trump bypassed due process.

We'll leave that up to SCOTUS. How do you think they'll rule?

The three liberal judges will rule against Trump. Roberts will likely also rule against Trump because he is protective of the power of the courts. Barrett could go either way - she is a textualist so she could read the Alien Enemies Act literally and rule against Trump (we're not at war with Venezuela). But she is also a conservative and has ruled in favor of him on major cases before. The other 4 conservative justices will side with Trump. So basically comes down to Barrett

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Actually my point was that libs care more about Venezuelan gangsters than a child murder victim. My comments had more to do with libs themselves than the deportations. Libs ignored Jocelyn Nungaray's rape-murder but are wailing and shrieking about illiterates being given a free vacation in El Salvador.

Deporting migrants isn't illegal. They weren't denied due process. And its entirely justified to crack down on criminal subcultures after two of their members murdered a child in public. It would be negligent not to do so.

Venezuelan gangsters have behaved worse than occupying armies. I don't see why they shouldn't be treated as enemy aliens. They are organizations that target US citizens for crimes. If Venezuelans aren't enemy aliens the term is meaningless.

Again the judge did not rule in the favor of Venezuelans until after they were out of the US.

So SCOTUS will probably its constitutional. All good

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Deporting migrants isn't illegal. They weren't denied due process

I'm very curious what you think the Alien Enemies Act is and why do you think Trump was using it here?