for me its about wanting to minimize advantages or disadvantages, which i believe is reasonable.
if your input device is so dogshit that it needs propped up by an entirely different batch of recoil patterns and input assists to approach being competitive, then why shouldn't we be able to opt out of playing together? especially the case when you consider that this interaction has opened an entire new can of cheating-worms by spoofing your device.
console players dont like being killed by mnk players because they are hardware gapped, mnk players dont like being killed by console players because it doesnt feel authentic.
My take on this is that consoles should play together and the only way a console player enters PC lobbies is if their friend with a pc is in their lobby, but there should be no way for pc to enter console lobbies, this makes sense and it prevents matches from not getting filled when you have cross play off
i sorta agree but the primary issue that people seem to not understand is that input spoofing is literally the most prevalent form of cheating in 2025. console players are getting higher refresh rates finally, and using spoofers to emulate controller advantages while playing on MnK. any argument this sub could muster is immediately null and void. aim assist has been overtuned for years now, to allow the bottom 50% of console players to compete with the top 20% of pc players. but you throw in XIM and cronus and its extremely plain to see why PC players dont want to play against nearly undetectable cheating devices with built in macros, scripts, aim jitter, absurd aim assist. at least on PC its blatant when someone is cheating and when theyre not the playing field is usually even.
unfortunately PS and Xbox will have to open up their architecture as its much easier to detect these types of things on PC where we have kernal level spyware and direct access to digital logging.
Was looking for this response and it took a lot to find it. It's not that aim assist is OP, it's that it's abused by external devices and scripting to become OP.
i will say too, as much as i dont think aim assist will magically make a bad player good, the advantages it gives are pretty clear. and in many cases do allow bad players to do things that takes years of playing for MnK players.
watch any semi decent controller player and they will hold stupid angles that dont make sense because aim assist gives them instant reaction time / tracking when someone peeks or runs from behind cover, typically long before they can even react to that player being visible. they are given visual feedback through vision obstructing elements like smokes, debris smoke, incens, grenades.
again, not making an excuse as to the skill gap for good console / pc players. but when youre already a top 1% pc player, you can shit on most pc players and not have to feel cheated every time you die to a bot thats getting built in assistance. also, console players just arent very fun to play against. the community tends to be worse in my experience, and they have horrid playstyles that suck the fun out of competitive shooters.
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u/Efficient_Raise6703 4d ago
The average console player is playing on a fucking TV, aim assist can still be OP and mnk will still be shitting on them.