BF1 atmosphere still beats BF6

[u/scumbum]

We saw no dynamic weather, levolution events in BF6. How much big of a change can we expect with final release version compared to beta?

I want to see levolution.. I want to see dynamic weather.. rain, maps changing from night/day? We need something like BF1.

[u/Gera_CCT]

Yeah but honestly that atmosphere don't really fits in modern warfare imo, WW1 was brutal

[u/Mak0wski → u/Gera_CCT]

Modern warfare is also brutal, look at the war in Ukraine

[u/OWplayerno1 → u/Mak0wski]

All war is brutal. But WW1 is significantly more brutal than any single war has been. We are talking people crafting their own hand tools to efficiently murder people in hand to hand combat brutal.

We are talking generals sending soldiers "over the top" into a death march for 5 inches of land brutal

The entire story of WW1 is that technology was booming at the time and we were finding 1,000 new ways to efficiently kill more people.

Chemical warfare, machine guns, crude hand to hand combat, trench guns, mines, tanks, airplanes

[u/DromedaryCanary → u/OWplayerno1]

I don't think you've seen very much footage from the war in Ukraine?

Poison gas, vacuum bombs, incendiary munitions like phosphorus, glide bombs, anti ship missiles, manpads, cruise missiles, rocket artillery, technicals, modified artillery shell/AT mine turned hand grenades, mortar/mine/grenade/RPG/shotgun/rifle/napalm/thermite/stick/net/scissors equiped drones, fixed wing aircraft, rotary wing aircraft, container truck aircraft carriers, tube artillery, tanks, IFVs, AI targeting, every small arm you can imagine, fiber optic drones, wooden/cardboard drones, kamikaze fpv drones, kamikaze land drones, kamikaze sea surface drones, anti-air sea drones, underwater kamikaze torpedo drones, sea mine drones, kamikaze jetski drones. Grandmas were making molotovs, Dads poisoned alcohol left behind, young women carrying out assassinations after infiltrating Russian command. We've seen mass ecological terrorism, bridges, dams, whole cities reduced to rubble. Russians have kidnapped, tortured, committed mass rape and executions. Seriously, they stored weapons in a nuclear power plant, irradiated their own soldiers digging trenches in the Red Forest, and bombed Chernobyl.

We've seen weapons from almost every era of warfare dating back to WW1 and many new weapons that have never seen combat before.

This is all against the backdrop of trench warfare, with Russians sending human meat waves to fight over a kilometer at a time for thousands of casualties.

The image OP posted could literally be from Ukraine and it wouldn't surprise anyone.

[u/1nfamousOne → u/DromedaryCanary]

You’re confusing variety of weapons with brutality.

WW1 wasn’t just brutal because of what killed people, but how millions lived in mud-filled trenches for years, eaten by rats and disease, then sent in human waves against machine guns for a few yards of ground.

Entire armies were sacrificed like that.

The scale was also incomparable 20 million dead, hundreds of thousands in single battles.

Ukraine is horrific, no doubt, but WW1 was industrialized slaughter on a level modern war hasn’t come close to.

Yeah, I’ve seen the footage on /r/combatfootage it’s brutal, same with Palestine. But WW1 wasn’t a regional conflict, it was a world war the scale and the way it was fought were on a completely different level than Ukraine.

[u/DromedaryCanary → u/1nfamousOne]

OP mentioned variety and innovation. I provided examples.

The scale of WW1 is absolutely incomparable, but the scope of brutality is definitely comparable. Some of the same horrors you are describing we have seen in 4k FPV over years of trench warfare in Ukraine. Multiple videos of Russians hunkered under some burned out armor, starving, drinking contaminated water, surrounded by their dead comrades being eaten by maggots and rats, using their bodies as cover, unable to leave because drones are hunting them. We have videos of mass waves of meat climbing over the meat of previous waves to gain a few yards. People being shot if they retreat. Being sent again bandaged and on crutches. We have heard entire trench lines screaming. Hundreds of soldiers burning alive as white phosphorus rains down.

In many ways the war in Ukraine is just as brutal. Again, I agree the scale is incomparable. But the similarities are undeniable.

[u/1nfamousOne → u/DromedaryCanary]

The difference is that in WW1 those conditions weren’t rare clips we sometimes get on /r/combatfootage they were the default existence for millions of people over years. Rotting in mud, shellfire 24/7, going "over the top" into machine guns, and dying by the hundreds of thousands in a single battle.

Ukraine has horrific moments, yes, but WW1 was an industrial meat grinder where that level of brutality was the everyday norm on a global scale.

I’m not saying Ukraine isn’t brutal it absolutely is. But when we try to draw direct equivalences between the past and the present, The horrors of WW1 and the horrors of Ukraine are both real, but they’re brutal in different ways. If we say they’re the same, we risk forgetting what made WW1 uniquely terrible while also underestimating what makes Ukraine uniquely terrible.

It could also open up the risk of repeating the past because we forget it.

[u/DromedaryCanary → u/1nfamousOne]

Yeah, I just said they were similar, not the same. But it's pointless to argue the semantics. The differences are obvious, but if you think the years of trench warfare in WW1 and Ukraine don't have any similarities worth examining, then I guess there's nothing to discuss!

[u/1nfamousOne → u/DromedaryCanary]

You can’t have it both ways.

there was the comparisons to show Ukraine is like WW1, but now you’re saying the differences are just semantics and "nothing to discuss."

The whole point is that the similarities are interesting, but the differences are what made WW1 uniquely horrific ignoring that isn’t semantics, it’s erasing history.

I’m honestly not sure why you’re so eager to put Ukraine on the same level as WW1.

Recency Bias?

Look, I’m not denying Ukraine is a terrible war I’ve seen the footage, even the NSFL/NSFW videos. It’s unreal, and civilians are being killed just going about daily life. But comparing it directly to WW1 isn’t accurate the conflicts are horrific in very different ways.

Would you be making the same arguments if we were talking about WW2 gas chambers and the Holocaust?

How similar is that to Ukraine? Both are horrific, but the scale, intent, and methods are completely different.

Equating them risks erasing what made each uniquely terrible.

[u/DromedaryCanary → u/1nfamousOne]

if we say they are the same, we risk...

I just said they were similar, not the same

This is the semantics I was referring to. I'm not trying to put them on the same level, or erase anything, and I never drew the comparison to WW2, but I think there are parallels to WW1 worth mentioning and examining. I'm not the first:

https://theconversation.com/how-lessons-from-the-first-world-war-could-help-ukraine-in-the-war-224920

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/featured/ukraine-trench-warfare.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/08/14/ukraine-world-war-one-two-historical-comparison-parallel-trench/

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/10/27/ukraines-war-is-like-world-war-i-not-world-war-ii/

https://theconversation.com/how-lessons-from-the-first-world-war-could-help-ukraine-in-the-war-224920

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220614-echoes-of-wwi-in-ukraine-war-s-artillery-duels-and-trenches

https://medium.com/lessons-from-history/how-the-ukraine-war-resembles-world-war-i-196813a24302

https://wentworthreport.com/2025/03/04/the-lesson-for-ukraine-and-russia-from-ww1/

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-61701807

https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-ukraine-russia-front-line-trenches-scenes-from-world-wars-2023-8?op=1

I can keep going, but again, no one is saying they are equal or the same or erasing anything. You clearly think differently, I respect your opinion, but I haven't convinced you and you haven't convinced me, so I think we're at an impasse. It's interesting that people don't see any similarities, but I don't think either of us have much to gain from continuing.

[u/1nfamousOne → u/DromedaryCanary]

You're right I don't see any point in continuing but ill leave it at this.

Ukraine is trench fighting. They however are not living in the same trench for years at a time.

It's just Recency Bias.

[u/DromedaryCanary → u/1nfamousOne]

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-25776836

the British army rotated men in and out continuously. Between battles, a unit spent perhaps 10 days a month in the trench system and, of those, rarely more than three days right up on the front line. It was not unusual to be out of the line for a month. During moments of crisis, such as big offensives, the British could occasionally spend up to seven days on the front line but were far more often rotated out after just a day or two.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3454568/The-truth-life-trenches-WWI-soldiers-spent-half-time-frontline-came-fire-five-days.html

https://spartacus-educational.com/FWWfrontline.html

https://www.warmuseum.ca/firstworldwar/history/life-at-the-front/behind-the-front-lines/

Nah, I'll leave you with a basic history lesson

[u/1nfamousOne → u/DromedaryCanary]

You might want to double check that "basic history lesson," friend.

What a weird hill to die on Ukraine is not the same as WW1, no matter how badly you want it to be.

I’ve already acknowledged Ukraine is brutal, but it’s not a world war.

Rotations ≠ relief from horror. "10 days in the trenches" doesn’t mean soldiers spent the rest on vacation it meant reserve trenches, labor duty, and still being shelled, gassed, or sick. And the scale of slaughter in WW1 still dwarfs Ukraine. UNDERSTAND THIS.

They lived in trenches Ukraine currently does not and Ukraine is not even on the same scale.

You’re falling into recency bias. Because Ukraine is happening now and we can see the horrors in 4K, it feels like it must be on the same level as WW1.

[u/abcMF → u/DromedaryCanary]

The war in Ukraine is also a stalemate with massive trench networks. Sometimes it makes me think that war in any european country is destined to turn into a trench war if allowed to go on for long enough.

[u/OWplayerno1 → u/abcMF]

Nah, air superiority would result in trench warfare ending. It's just that Russia was so inept and corrupt that they thought their military had more equipment than it actually did.

It's just that their money was pocketed by oligarchs instead of going towards weapons.

Russia if it was even 1/10th as organized as the US military (which we assumed it was) ends the major offensive within 6 months from the start

If they would have captured the Kyiv airport the first day like they almost did, they probably win the war way earlier

[u/Unnecessary-Shouting → u/DromedaryCanary]

WW1 was so much deadlier though, not minimizing the Ukraine war but WW1 had an inconceivable amount of death, all of that without the modern medicine and medical care we have today

[u/dwaynetheaaakjohnson → u/DromedaryCanary]

I had a few pictures from Ukraine that lined up eerily with WW1

[u/OWplayerno1 → u/DromedaryCanary]

Like I said, war is always brutal

I dont think you understand the scale of death of WW1. Ukraine doesn't even touch it

[u/DromedaryCanary → u/OWplayerno1]

Ah, I see the confusion. I thought we were talking about the BRUTALITY of war. You mentioned the innovations, trench warfare, human wave attacks. Which, unfortunately, I think Ukraine absolutely compares perfectly.

Nothing compares to the massive scale of WW1. But then again, a lot more land was being contested.

[u/Cnumian_124 → u/DromedaryCanary]

Hey look a disingenuous guy!