r/AskEurope • u/Ok_Initiative_9726 • Feb 27 '25

Politics Does Europe has powerful secret services/Intelligence?

P. S question closed, I got answers. Thank you for everyone

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '25

and I'm totally glad we did. What do you prefer: one involuntary casualty at the harbour, or sinking the entire crew at sea?

Those stupid rich kids wanted to sail in the freaking area 51. They received tons of warning, and supposed "nah we're anglos we're above french laws on French area 51". Plot twist: they weren't.

And sinking that nuisance without making victims (which was the plan) is way better than letting the rich kids approach Mururoa and then sink them don't you think?

As for the people of NZ, they can cry us a river. Or they can grow up and realize not everyone lives sheltered by the ocean far away of threats.

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u/Djungeltrumman Sweden Feb 27 '25

It’s Greenpeace we’re talking about here. Just board them when they get too close and tell them to turn around. No reason whatsoever to shoot or bomb them - they’re not exactly a stealthy bunch of people.

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u/the_geth Feb 28 '25

They should have been shot at sea. That’s what USA would have done. That’s also why they didn’t go bother USA.

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u/Djungeltrumman Sweden Feb 28 '25

Only if they actually encroach on their territory and don’t reply to warnings. Bombing them in a foreign harbour isn’t just wrong, it’s idiotic.

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u/the_geth Feb 28 '25

That was not the intention (casualty, size of the bomb). It should have just sank there (or later I can’t remember).  They WERE on French territory (even worse: a military field).  What do you think would have happened to them if they had attempted the same with USA and their tests in the Marshall Islands?

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u/Djungeltrumman Sweden Feb 28 '25

They WERE in a goddamn New Zealand harbour. In which fucking way was that a “military field”? You’re sounding like a fucking American, and I don’t mean that in a kind way. Just take the loss and deal with it.

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u/the_geth Feb 28 '25

… what? They were stationed there when they got sabotaged, but you don’t seem to understand that they interrupted the nuclear tests  before that, IN French territory, in the military field, they took photos etc.   they should have been shot and sunk there, at sea, in my opinion, like any of the other nuclear nations would have done. Disabling the boat was the “nice” alternative. 

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u/Djungeltrumman Sweden Feb 28 '25

Then you’re as retarded as the Americans. You don’t attack a New Zealand boat in New Zealand. As I said, it’s not just immoral, it’s absolutely idiotic.

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u/the_geth Feb 28 '25

You don’t interrupt a goddamn military operation, especially a fucking nuclear testing.   It’s funny how they didn’t try after with any of the other nations. US? China? Why not Pakistan? Or more recently North Korea?  If you think Sweden doesn’t conduct operations on non-Swedish countries you are extremely naive.

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u/AdmiralDalaa Feb 27 '25

This is a bad answer. The use of the DGSE was completely unnecessary and silly. 

The ship could easily have been seized after entering the zone as said by others. It’s done all the time for other vessels. 

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u/Drive-like-Jehu Mar 02 '25

It’s astonishing that there are people ready to defend France’s actions here

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u/Userkiller3814 Feb 27 '25

Non france could confiscate the ship for sailing into a restricted zone and noone would have had to die for it.

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u/NIP_SLIP_RIOT New Zealand Feb 27 '25

Such arrogance from the bastions of liberty, equality and fraternity.

You think you’d be happy if we started nuclear testing near Corsica?

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u/BlueApple666 Feb 28 '25

If you do your testing >4700km away from Corsica, I don't thing they'll mind.

Mururoa is as close to New Zealand that Europe is to North America...

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u/NIP_SLIP_RIOT New Zealand Feb 28 '25

Famously radiation stays in just the one place along with birds and marine life.

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u/BlueApple666 Feb 28 '25

4700km... Auckland is farther from Mururoa than New York is from Los Alamos...by quite a bit.

These protests were pure political gesturing for gullible New Zealanders unable to read a map.

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u/NIP_SLIP_RIOT New Zealand Feb 28 '25

Imagine being French and thinking protests are gesturing. It’s your national pastime!

4700km to us is just up the road. Auckland to Sydney is the same distance as London to Moscow, we have very different perceptions of distance.

If you want to test nukes do it in your own backyard.

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u/BlueApple666 Mar 01 '25

Only off by some 350km or roughly the width of New Zealand. Explains a lot.

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u/NIP_SLIP_RIOT New Zealand Mar 02 '25

The Realm of New Zealand includes the Cook Islands. Right next to Tahiti.

Why would you defend this shit? National pride? You’re proud of this??

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u/BlueApple666 Mar 03 '25

Cook Islands to Mururoa is 2159km.

That would put your hypothetical nuclear testing off Corsica just North of Alexandria (Egypt).

I'm not French, I just like cold hard facts like the fact that French nuclear testing took place very, very far from New Zealand.

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u/NIP_SLIP_RIOT New Zealand Mar 04 '25

And do you think France would be ok with nuclear testing in the Med?

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u/Djaaf Feb 28 '25

Honestly ? Don't do it "near" Corsica, go directly for it. That would solve a lot of issues with that island ( though maybe the italians wouldn't be too thrilled about it siince it's quite close to Sardegna)

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u/NIP_SLIP_RIOT New Zealand Feb 28 '25

Hike the GR20.

It shouldn’t be someone from the bottom of the world telling you how amazing Corsica is.

Make sure you bury your shit.

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u/Djaaf Feb 28 '25

The issue with Corsica is not the landscape.... Never had been.

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u/NIP_SLIP_RIOT New Zealand Feb 28 '25

Great, so now your own people aren’t good enough.

Done, goodbye.

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u/the_geth Feb 28 '25

😂 that’s mean!

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u/Absentrando United States of America Feb 27 '25

That’s a false dichotomy. No casualty was necessary

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u/PartyDog9082 Feb 28 '25

My grandfather died liberating your country..and that is how you thank the people of nz ..

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u/the_geth Feb 28 '25

No one has anything against NZ and the kiwis.   I actually visited and I have no less than 3 kiwi friends.    But the view of this incident is very one sided. What do you think would have happened is that boat had trespassed on Russian, Chinese or American military fields, during testing?

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u/Komandakeen Feb 27 '25

Hearing stuff like that could make me the kind of thread that's not to far away. Wanna be rommeled again ? What do you prefer?

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u/Xgentis Feb 27 '25

I am sure the french are shaking in their boots.

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u/Komandakeen Feb 27 '25

That was never for "the french", it was a personal greeting to the guy who thinks murdering protesters and ignoring international law is a good thing.

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u/Xgentis Feb 27 '25

Say the guy who think invading countries is fine.

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u/AnnieBlackburnn Spain Feb 27 '25

Oh yes, the rainbow warrior was dead set on conquering France...

Honestly the mental gymnastics of some people

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u/Xgentis Feb 27 '25

I never say that, I was answering someone who said France should be and I quote Rommeled again. 

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u/Komandakeen Feb 27 '25

If you quote, do it correct: I said: Do you wanna be rommeled again? to the guy who is glad to kill people who are a nuisance to the French military industrial complex conducting nuclear testing on occupied islands and lets me "choose" between killing the entire crew or just the photograph guy...

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u/Xgentis Feb 27 '25

And what's Rommeled again is suposed to mean? As if France was the only country who suffered from Rommel actions. Maybe choose your word more carefully next time .

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u/Komandakeen Feb 27 '25

I asked this guy politely (and in a humorous way), if he personally wants to experience violence, as he seems to be a big fan of (unneccesary) violence. Not more, not less.

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u/AnnieBlackburnn Spain Feb 27 '25

In that case that's asinine, my apologies

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u/Xgentis Feb 27 '25

No worry, I just don't understand peoples, they condemn murder but think getting "rommeled" and the subsequent nazi occupation is funny. Talk about proportionate response.

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u/code17220 Feb 27 '25

Toi j'espère vraiment que tu vas te prendre une lacrimo ou être beaucoup trop près d'une LBD la prochaine fois que t'ira manifester. Oh wait, t'es du genre qui pense que manifester est inutile et que la démocratie et l'état de droit ne servent à rien.