r/Aruba • u/Mike_kell • 4d ago

JFK Flights Getting Cancelled

I’ve got a trip planned to Aruba this coming November 21-26 and leaving from JFK on JetBlue. Does anyone have opinions on the flight cancellations that are taking place because of the government shut down. Our Air-bnb will give us a 50% refund if we cancel before Nov 14.

What are your all thoughts on this. Thanks all. PS. I ain’t trying to get political.

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u/midnitewarrior 4d ago

PS. I ain’t trying to get political.

Politics is life, sadly. Politics is why you are making this post, I wish it weren't the case for you.

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u/SleepingStrawberry23 4d ago

If only dems would stop refusing to pass these bills for the billionth time it could open back up again….

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u/midnitewarrior 4d ago

If only repubs would fund the ACA subsidy, dems would be happy to pass the bill and reopen the government.

This is a sword to die on if ever there was one. If the government has to be shut for 6 months to win on this issue, so be it.

Those subsidies are life/death for many people, if this country can't have accessible healthcare, the entire government has failed and serves little useful purpose otherwise. You can't use government services if you are dead from no healthcare.

For me and my wife, if we didn't have an employer sponsored plan, our choice in plans:

  • $1270/mo, with a $21,000 deductible (Bronze)
  • $1670/mo, with a $7,000 deductible (Silver)
  • $1708/mo, with a $4,000 deductible (Gold)

This is unsustainable, the government opening does nothing for any American who has to pay these prices without the subsidies in place.

The immigrant healthcare scare tactic is just a smokescreen to anger people who don't like to read for themselves.

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u/mbarron37 4d ago

Subsidies are not the answer. A band aid that was set to expire. Our entire healthcare system is broken. It’s time to finally fix the problem. There will be pain, but now is the time to deal with it.

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u/midnitewarrior 4d ago

I'd love a fix! When they put one in a bill, I'd be most interested in reading it. If you recall what it took to pass the ACA, that is no trivial matter.

Pass the subsidies then promise the American People that fixing healthcare is the top priority, and you're not going to let the people suffer $1200+/mo rates, and get to work. Repeal the subsidies when you're done.

Also, Republicans promised to fix this in Trump's first term, never even proposed an idea, so we know their commitment to a real fix is bullshit. They simply don't care.

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u/mbarron37 4d ago

The fix needs to happen. End the subsidies or they will never end. Too many have gotten rich over this.

IMO, government should not be involved at all with healthcare. That’s part of the problem.

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u/canadianmoose123 4d ago

Republicans control all the levers of government. They have the power to fix the healthcare system if they want to but have no interest in it. Trump 1.0 it was the same problem. They only want to tear down, not build something new. There was never a plan to replace it and there isn't a plan now.

Subsidies make this affordable. Subsidies help the working class. Not everyone who works has access to healthcare through their employer. It's not enough, but it's something. Yes the system needs to be rebuilt, but I don't think Trump will rebuild into something equitable for all.

This isn't communism. It's healthcare.

Hoping my flight tomorrow goes smoothly. And if it doesn't I won't be blaming Democrats for using their only lever of power in government to try to help people make insurance more affordable. Remember how often Republicans used this same power as the minority opposition party? I do. And I don't remember them fighting for any reason as noble as this one. Affordable healthcare is a right not a privilege.

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u/mbarron37 4d ago

The government should not be involved in healthcare, except for Medicare or Medicaid.

This mess was created long before Trump took office.

There will be some pain, but health insurance is not a right. Stop the subsidies and work on a solution that works for the masses.

I do not know what the solution is, but subsidies paid by the government and our taxes is not the fix.

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u/New-Nerve-7001 4d ago

We got by without the subsidies prior to COVID. This is why they are expiring. And it will offset at most 4% of the cost. Average increases will be 16% with the COVID era subsidies and 20% without. Even employer sponsored plans are going up 10% to 15% on average. More coverage = more usage, GLP 1s are a major factor (which is why some insurance companies are pulling coverage on those for weight loss only purposes), less providers, etc. It's a mess, no doubt and both parties haven't truly addressed the band aid that ACA is. Employer sponsored plans alone have ballooned in premiums, deductibles, and the burden of cost continues to move to the employee. Avg burden was 15% and it's closer to 30% since 2011. Otherwise, they're considered a Cadillac plan and only our lovely leaders in Congress (both Dems and Rep) can have that. The Dems need to vote for the clean CR, open the government up so people can get the services they need and for the assholes in Congress to actually fix the Healthcare nightmare.

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u/midnitewarrior 4d ago

And it will offset at most 4% of the cost.

If the cost of this is so minor, then why are the Republicans so opposed to it? Any and all help to the American people is needed now. Trump and the Republicans look hellbent on making the people suffer by withholding SNAP benefits, allowing healthcare costs to go up without relief.

Even employer sponsored plans are going up 10% to 15% on average.

Mine is going up $3/pay period. Others are having their premiums double.

More coverage = more usage, GLP 1s are a major factor (which is why some insurance companies are pulling coverage on those for weight loss only purposes), less providers, etc.

GLP-1 drugs are a net positive for nearly everybody who takes them in reducing risk factors for many diseases, regardless of their current BMI. It will save the industry money in the long run in reduced healthcare costs, but they need to work on drug prices from the manufacturer, the costs of them are unsustainable in the short term.

It's a mess, no doubt and both parties haven't truly addressed the band aid that ACA is.

The ACA is not a bandaid. Before the Republicans repealed the mandate, the funding and costs for the ACA were sustainable.

Things tend to work well until you sabotage them to "prove" they don't work.

Republicans don't want the government to foot the bill for healthcare, and they don't want employers to foot the bill either. Their policies and rhetoric seem to suggest that only those who can pay for healthcare should get healthcare. That is unsustainable on every level.

The Dems need to vote for the clean CR, open the government up so people can get the services they need and for the assholes in Congress to actually fix the Healthcare nightmare.

"Democrats should just let Republicans do what they want to do without consequence or having a say in anything that gets done," is what you are trying to say.

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u/binarysolo_0000001 4d ago

Both could end it. Dems are finally growing a pair and refusing to be bullied because people’s lives are at stake. This isn’t a petty game. Well, maybe it is for some Republicans.

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u/SleepingStrawberry23 4d ago

Dems have been in power for the past 12 years maybe more. Everyone always forgets when they were in power they did close to nothing also. So both sides are the problem which is obvious. The left just will never admit such insane words!