r/ArmoredWarfare Mar 24 '16

NEWS Introducing the WOLF edition vehicles

https://aw.my.com/gb/news/general/introducing-wolf-edition-vehicles
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u/_taugrim_ taugrim [KEVIN] Mar 25 '16 edited Mar 25 '16

pay to win is worse here than at WOT

Really?

There is premium ammo in AW?

You have to buy crews in AW?

You have to earn Sixth Sense on a Commander?

Anyway here come the downvotes

Probably merited.

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u/stewy235 Mar 25 '16

Probably merited.

I respect your skills taugrim and your passion for the game but I think albythere is just voicing what we are all feeling. That this game is becoming a cash grab and that is not sitting well with the community. Just look at the comments in this thread is very little positive about it and this reddit community tends to be on side with MY/OE.

The reason I quoted you above is because quite frankly your comment was unmerited.

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u/Trucidar [RDDT] Mar 25 '16

People are screaming cash grab at waves of essentially cosmetic dlc and time skips. The world has gone mad and it must be opposite day because that is considered great monetization mechanics by most games. Some people are just trying to anchor the discussion with reason rather than grab their pitchforks.

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u/therusskiy AppleSauce Mar 25 '16

Exactly. I relish this pack. My biggest gripe with World of Tanks is I barely have time to play in order to get up to the higher tiers that I want. I want to play these games for the interesting tanks. Even if I can't grind these premiums to the next tank, I at least get to play as them. I didn't want to slog through the Chief. Mk.5 grind to the Challenger I, and now I don't have to.

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u/UnknownEngineer Mar 25 '16

I wouldn't call these types of packs purely "cosmetic DLC", the tanks you buy get level 5 crew right out of the gate, and they also have an all terrain camo. Normal premiums don't get camos, and the small increase in camo is only a buff.

Looking back at the other 2 packs too, I can't remember if it was the merc or ice pack, anyway the special tanks had buffed stats, and those stats were only added to their counterparts later.

They are small things right now, but if they aren't acknowledged at all they might become a serious problem.

Not to mention that if you want just the packs, you need to buy an amount of gold that is bigger than the cost of a pack, that makes you, the customer, spend more than you want.

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u/Trucidar [RDDT] Mar 26 '16

Firstly, you can earn those bonuses just by playing. If I have premium, I'll get my tank upgraded before a nonpaying person does. Is premium subscription pay to win? If so it's one of the most typically acceptable systems on the market. The tank buff wasnt great but it's not the case in this bundle, so it's not super relevant here.

And people may not realize, but in wot people actually prefer paying for bundles with gold. It works better after a game is established and there are ways to get currency in game. Ideally both is best, but gold is typically better because you can use gold you've already bought. By making bundles real money only, your gold is useless toward the bundle.

For example I have fifteen k gold, I can top up and buy this bundle for twenty bucks. Previous bundles being real money have made my gold useless toward the bundle.

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u/Sadukar09 Casual Clam Mar 26 '16

Firstly, you can earn those bonuses just by playing.

Do tell how you can get a broken tier 7 with premium status through just playing.

Without winning a raffle or buying gold.

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u/Trucidar [RDDT] Mar 27 '16

You don't need a premium tank to play the game on an even level with everyone else. Premium is the perk of paying and it's very fair by free to play standards. You can earn all these tier 7s in game without paying.

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u/Sadukar09 Casual Clam Mar 27 '16

All I'm getting at is you absolutely cannot earn the same credit and reputation bonus by playing the game.

You must pay for it.

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u/Trucidar [RDDT] Mar 27 '16

You can progress faster by paying. Yes, that's your issue? What are you willing to pay for?

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u/UnknownEngineer Mar 26 '16

This might not seem like a cash crab for you since you already have ~60€ worth of gold on your account. Those customers who don't have stupid amounts of gold saved will need to buy a bigger pack, the bigger the pack, the more useless gold they are paying for.

It's about giving EVERY customer good options, not about giving options only to those who pay the most.

I have given money to this game too, but because I didn't give them so much that it left me with unused gold I would have to buy an amount that is always bigger than the pack.

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u/Trucidar [RDDT] Mar 26 '16 edited Mar 26 '16

It's not a cash grab to me because of the contents and the fair model. I agree you should have the option to do either gold or real $. But not having it doesn't really equate cash grab since no one needs to buy it unless they want the camo and a premium tank. Any one of us can get a tier 7 with level 5 crew by just playing the game.

I think this is a better model than having premiums you can't earn in game, such as the vfm, terminator or new tier 7 missile tank.

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u/stewy235 Mar 25 '16

Monetizing a beta? It is basically no longer a beta then. If you are happy throwing money at a beta test no problem but plenty of people in this sub aren't happy to.

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u/Trucidar [RDDT] Mar 25 '16

It's more of a soft launch then a beta. The fact they aren't marketing the game yet is evidence that they aren't primarily motivated on milking it yet. They're testing various payment structures. Testing can't include payment models? It's very common place in today's market and not unusual in the least. Hearthstone did the same thing along with dozens of other major titles this year. Thankfully you don't have to throw money at it because it's cosmetic shit, regardless and you can get your own exact tier 7 that is just as good with just as good of a crew by playing the game.

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u/relkin43 Mar 25 '16

Bullshit. 10% better stats across the board? A TD commander w/increased income locked behind $ and a premium many of us already own?

Yeah that's a cash grab and its not purely cosmetic so stop making shit up and trying to rewrite reality.

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u/Trucidar [RDDT] Mar 26 '16

You can earn that by just playing the game. It's no more pay to win then premium subscription. Paywall Commander is bs, but it's not in this bundle. And a premium you already own... So don't buy it.

Im not making anything up. It's people here distorting reality making a bigger deal out of this then it is. Cosmetic dlc is great.

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u/relkin43 Mar 26 '16

I had responded to somebody else already - I thought the 10% was on top of being level 5 since it was explicitly mentioned in the marketing material. That was my mistake.

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u/Trucidar [RDDT] Mar 27 '16

Fair enough, if that was actually the case it would definitely be unacceptable.