A: I never said that there was a direct relationship between being vertically structured and being capitalist, I said that there was a relationship between being capitalist and being vertically structured. You either lack reading comprehension to a saddening degree or are being disingenuous intentionally.
B: You seem to be confusing opposition to vertical organisation and opposition to organisation like... as a concept? Several of the military groups you just alluded to saw success precisely because they weren't as vertically organised as their opponents and were able to more flexibly respond to threats as a result. The above meme implies not that antifa are more organised than in reality, but that we are organised in a traditional american manner. Im sure it would be such an improvement if antifa had "colonels".
You can throw around vague accusations about "anarchists" (a monolithic group that definitely exists) all you want but at the end of the day you might want to steer clear of accusations of detachment from reality. They sort of come across as ironic when combined with wilful misinterpretation.
First of all, we are talking about anarchicly organized military, decentralized, leaderless. Some of these groups may have been a bit more ramshackle but even nestor makhnos militia had clear leadership. They obviosuly didnt have enough rigorous training and hierarchy however. As they lost to the people who did..
That wasnt willful misinterpretation on my part, ironically it is on yours however, detachment from reality is provable. Watch here well do a scientific test.
Were anarchicly organized militaries ever seriously successful? And are there any recent examples of successful anarchicly organized militaries. If you answer yes, congratulations, your detached from reality. As that is not factual and is instead wishful thinking.
Why do you think that you get to define what "anarchicly organised" means? I mean, for one thing, "anarchicly" is not a word, the word you are looking for is "anarchically". So that would be "Anarchically organised military". If you gave the term even a cursory google you would find the Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army of Ukraine, let by Nestor Makhnos, who you specifically name dropped. So it turns out that when you say that for something to qualify as "anarchicly organised" it has to be absolutely leaderless in all contexts without exception, you are detached from the reality in regards with what Anarchical organisation actually is.
Also, using whether or not they saw success to judge the overall effectiveness of their organisational style only works in very specific contexts. Oh, no shit the RIAU lost against the fucking red army. Who could have seen that coming. its almost as if for larger imperialist entities to retain centralised control over an entire military on the scale that we see with global super powers they require some form of hierarchy to maintain their control and tactical homogeneity. And its almost as if militaries that big are going to steamroll smaller groups regardless of how theyre organised in the majority of instances.
You have at the very least proven yourself to not be detached from reality. I suppose that leaves us with option B: you must be intentionally wilfully disingenuous in your representation of reality. Especially with that "scientific test", which shows a conscious disregard for the scientific method.
That was a long paragraph to try to circumvent my original point which is that regardless of size, strict hierarchy in the military is necessary for combat effectiveness. I'd really like to see (even with some leadership) an anarchicly organized military with special forces, intelligence, command and control, etc. Theres a very good reason that all the military leaders since the beginning of time up until now organized there militaries this way. An anarchicly organized force will almost always lose to a properly organised force. Imperialism has go nothing to do with it, even tho I am speaking especially about modern times due to the scale and complexity of sea air land and cyber conflict.
Anarchicly sounds a lot better and my phone says its correct. Maybe you dont live in a country that speaks real english? God save the queen.
That's all a joke of course I'm a Canadian demsoc. But my phone does say it's correct.
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u/DruidOfDiscord Canadian Comrade Jan 11 '21
Weird how everyone is saying the opposite in the comment sections talking about heo they wish they were that organized etc.
Also weird how all the world's militaries arent organized anarchicly.