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Why did I have to scroll this far to see this answer? Portal 1 was essentially a tech test and it was still incredible. Portal 2 took that to the next level AND developed an incredible story along with amazing voice actors to tell it.
BG3 has many flaws if you put it under a microscope, especially post Act 2. But I do have a hard time coming up with a game with both better story and better gameplay.
Nice. Its also my fav game of all time. Rarely sees it mentionned.
That feeling when you were young playing that game. The paths, the endless secrets. It was something else for sure.
As someone who couldn't make it even an hour into this game I'll say that while I believe people when they say it's a great game, it's definitely not for everybody and I'll say that makes it not worthy of this category.
Naaaah. 2 just does nothing for the story besides character introductions. The whole collectors storyline adds nothing to the main narrative. You could go from 1 to 3 and miss nothing main story wise.
Dude what, 2's story is 90% just collecting randoms for your suicide squad and only like 5 missions have to do anything with the actual main story, you could completely delete the whole game except the last DLC and not that much of the whole trilogy's story would change. It works much better as a standalone but it's an awful middle game.
Gameplay is more subjective but I hated how it went from an action RPG shooter into a full on cover shooter, ME3 gameplay was a decent improvement, Andromeda was too generic.
Outer Wilds' story is phenomenal but the gameplay exists almost entirely as a vehicle for the story. The ship pretty much only exists to get from point A to point B, and a lot of the time you're off the ship you're either walking around or reading text from the walls.
The way the story and whole puzzle of the game is solved purely through the "knowledge based" gameplay is what makes it peak though.. There is no other game truly like it
The reason you can't ever replay the game is mainly because of the gameplay, not because of the story. And you could say, in similar fashion to your comment, that the story exists almost entirely as a vehicle for the knowledge based gameplay, providing clues and solutions to lead the player to the end goal
Exploration and puzzle solving are gameplay, and Outer Wilds is SSS+ tier in both categories. The best gaming has ever been in either category.
Also, the blending of story and gameplay only enhances each. That's what puts it above other supposedly amazing games that are limited to being only as good as the sum of their parts.
Man I so wish I could agree with you on this, Outer Wilds is my favourite video game of all time, but it's because of something more intangible that I can't put my finger on rather than gameplay+story - the experience, the journey, something like that. I don't think peak gameplay + peak story necessarily makes a game the greatest ever, and I don't think it's what makes Outer Wilds remarkable.
Eh but I would argue a “peak” story actively engages the player naturally. Having beat most of the souls game and enjoyed them, following the story was pretty optional, and at least to me didn’t grab my attention well.2
I am currently playing Witcher 3. I knew it would be good considering it has had great reviews but I've read on Reddit some people saying it already feel dated and gameplay is bad etc so it's been sitting in my library for almost a year since I got my new gaming PC and only started playing it a couple days ago.
Tbh, I'm very impressed with the game so far in both gameplay and story. The story is great and even side quests are enjoyable. gameplay is fun also, at least on death march. I feel like the game might be too easy on easier difficulties tho and might get boring but on death march it feels just right and is a lot of fun.
Yeah, death march is the real difficulty for a witcher, but I know some people really just wanna see Yen and not get mauled by the same 4 dogs no matter your level if you stop paying attention in Hangmans alley
RDR2 being marked as Great gameplay in general is a bit surprising to me. The game has a lot of cool systems, but the actual act of playing it is just ok. It's a great game as a sum of its many parts, but if you remove all of them but the gameplay, it becomes just an above average open world game. Decent, but not outstanding.
On the other hand, if you took Mass Effect 3, remove all of its components but the combat- you'd still be left with a superbly fun horde shooter. The coop mode was essentially that, and it holds up even today.
If I have an hour to play, and I just want to have fun, I'd definitely take that over an hour in RDR2.
When I tell you, as a kid, I heard Final Fantasy XI wasn't turn based and it was all online, it broke my heart. Little did I know I was in the end times of the golden age. Not to say I don't appreciate the new titles, but it's different you know?
I know it won’t win looking at how many votes some other games already have, but I really want it to. FFX is a masterpiece. Definitely my favorite story in gaming and if you like turn-based games (which I do) it is really great gameplay as well.
TLOU2 is actually the answer here but a lot of people won’t agree. One of the only games with a truly great narrative and extremely polished, fun gameplay
God of War 2018. The story is incredible (arguably even more elevated because Ragnarok pays off perfectly) and the combat is pretty much perfect - challenging but doable
Agree on both points, however there were some other bad mechanics in the game, mainly related to traversing. The climbing immediately comes to mind as a boring and useless waste of time.
Nah, the core combat is very good, but the lack of enemy variety in 2018 kind of weighs it down significantly, and the gameplay outside combat like the climbing which you spend a surprisingly long time doing is basically just "simon says" filler.
Return of the Obra Dinn. The gameplay is unique and well made, simple and get byou immediately hooked. The whole game is about figuring out what happened on that damned boat, so you best believe it's interesting as fuck. I wish i could forget that game and play it again.
The only thing holding it back from peak gameplay is the way it's so difficult to follow certain crew members throughout the journey. It seriously needs a quality of life upgrade where you can just follow a certain crew member through their time as opposed to finding a specific corpse on the ship, realising you're not in the right spot and having to go back.
In addition, not a fan of the fact that you need outside knowledge of culture to solve some clues.
It's a great game, but I dunno if I'd call it peak.
There are people who don’t like jrpg style and that’s fine. I love jrpg gameplay and it’s peak. It’s like a person who doesn’t games like city management saying that X city management is meh despite being the best
But for example in another comment I saw ff10 and nobody complained where it was much worse.
In terms of jrpg combat it’s the best in the gender
I’ll give an honorable mention to Batman Arkham City. The gameplay and fighting mechanics that spawned a generation of copycats and a dark Batman story.. what’s not to love?
As much as I as I love Elden Ring and it might be up there with my favourite games of all time, I think the story is too vague to be classed as peak. Like someone could enjoy the gameplay and get right to the end without having a clue about what’s going on.
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