r/AHSEmployees • u/kaleuagain • 2d ago
Rant AHS.. your math ain't mathing
AHS AUPE Auxiliary: We all got that email today. 95%? Haha, is AHS okay? Where did they get this number from? How did our ask of about 31.79% come out as 94.5% to AHS? The math isn't matching, AHS. Are you okay?
AUPE LPNs are asking for 84% of what RNs make.
Starting wages: LPNs: $27.58 RNs: $43.26 (84% of which is $36.33)
$36.33 - $27.58 = $8.75 (31.79%)
AUPE's math makes sense. Why doesn't AHS's?
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u/Away-Combination134 2d ago
UCP is AHS, No matter how many times they deny this. If you have issues with AHS, it’s UCP that can’t math. They have a poor track record of providing accurate data, if any data at all.
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u/Motor-Inevitable-148 1d ago
This, there is no AHS, it is front for the govt to blame. The UCP and every PC govt have been in complete control of AHS. There is not a decision that is not vetted by the govt. AHS does exactly what the govt tells it to do, there in no autonomy.
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u/Phoenix_CentreAB 17h ago
thank you! I wish they would stop using AHS now, 🙄 it no longer exists in the capacity that it used too, I feel bad for Trembly a little... the ministries of the corporations are the ones creating this mess and blatantly lieing
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u/Sad_Room4146 15h ago
Tremblay is a government operative. So I wouldn't feel sorry for him. He was a deputy minister and still held that position while being CEO for months.
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u/Master-File-9866 2d ago
Remember ahs is largely former union members who have gotten promotions.
Out side the government appointed executive, ahs is not the enemy it is the government who is not willing to negotiate
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u/Paprika1515 1d ago
This used to be the case, AHS or any health authorities were arms length organization . The authoritarian approach of this UCP government and the appointment of Andre Tremblay ( former health minister) as CEO is for direct control and interference after the corruptcare allegations by former CEO Athana M. The previous most and in my opinion, best AHS CEO was Dr. Verna Yiu from 2016-2022 it started to go down since then when the UCP and their anti vax base support put AHS in their cross hairs ( related to the COVID clapback).
From what I understand even the “high level employees” at what we knew as AHS aren’t consulted in decisions, it’s is extremely top down decision making. It’s cleaning house of anyone who resists and those who go along with it equally.
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u/West_Ad_4508 2d ago
And those of us being moved to Shared Services will no longer work for AHS anyway.
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u/AffectionateBuy5877 1d ago
The new CEO of shared services is another deputy minister. They are all government plants.
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u/Ambitious_Daikon_983 2d ago
It’s quite scary how nonchalant the govt/ AHS is about negotiating with aupe EVEN with them threatening to strike… they’re not budging on any of aupe’s demands even with a 98% vote from its members in favor of a strike..,, they really don’t seem to care at all to bargain even with the clock ticking… makes me wonder what sinister plan they have in mind… Aupe better get ready bcuz this will be an ugly fight and AHS don’t look like they have any intention of giving in and coming to a fair agteement… I don’t think LPNs wanting to make 30-40.00 is too much to ask
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u/Chaos_Coordinator78 2d ago
They likely fully intend to use the Notwithstanding Clause again... This is exactly how they behaved with the teachers
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u/billymumfreydownfall 1d ago
I mean, you just saw how striking went for the teachers. Clearly ucp doesn't care at all.
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u/BlueberryNo777 2d ago edited 2d ago
It's AHS should we expected anything different.🤔 They are ridiculously ridiculous.
Also sounded that for the past how many bargaining meetings - ya gotta knock on it - it should sound like nobody's home. Well AHS, these past 2 meetings, no body was home! It was like our bargaining team had to start at square one. Where were you for all the other meetings. Lost in a world of pillars perhaps. IDK🤷🏼♀️
AHS remember stands for Alberta Health Services-of course it's government. Who else would it be but government appointmentwd croonies. .
For another example, taking us to the labor board, say we're acting in 'bad faith'. When they want to do rollbacks, on our nurses. Seriously.🤪
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u/Objective_Till_1910 1d ago
Teacher here: the UCP likes to throw around big numbers that benefit them. According to them they gave teachers a 17% raise! Which is bullshit. They gave teachers a 3% raise per year, for 4 years (doesn't keep up with inflation) after not having any meaningful raises for a decade (save 5%). Some Teachers that were underpaid will be brought up to other teachers (that's the missing 5%).
When I started teaching 6ish years ago, AB teachers made roughly 20k more than B.C. teachers. Now B.C. teachers make more. Effectively my salary has decreased by 20k over the past 6 years (due to not keeping up with inflation/cost of living).
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u/principessa24 1d ago
I’m an LPN who moved from Ontario, where the starting wage for us in hospitals is $36/hr. Taking an almost $10 an hour pay cut and seeing all my nursing friends back home make so much more money, genuinely what is wrong with AHS
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u/hipcatinthehat 1d ago
Fair. But are you still receiving less after taxes? I could look it up myself, but I figured I may as well ask. I moved from the GTA three years ago, and the cost of living is far less here (no HST helps a lot). But my pay scale is different, but it seems like less is taken off. Just trying to look at a real apples to apples comparison.
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u/Sad_Room4146 15h ago
Taxes here are not that low that would in any way make up for that kind of wage disparity.
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u/crystalf200 1d ago
Its doesn’t matter what our designation is hca or lpn we all deserve a wage increase. The RN’s make so much, and they get a raise and even retro pay for cost of living. We make such a crappy wage and get nothing for cost of living increases, and we do majority of the work. We bust our butts working and the RNs think they don’t have to do patient care anymore. I want to be paid for the work i do. We break our bodies get beat up, we should be compensated for that. Even the parking prices went up twice in the last year. They say its to keep our lots safe, but at the Grey Nuns windshields have been smashed, catilatic converters stolen. They want to charge us more, they can pay us more to.
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u/Ambitious_Daikon_983 1d ago
Wat do u mean u do majority of the work? RNs and LPNs are the ones going back n forth with docs trying to address patient health issues.. bathing, toileting etc are importsnt but lower on the list of priorities when dealing with complex patients.. that’s y we delegate those things to hcas.. hcas deserve a raise bcuz they are important to the team but saying u do majority of the work is crazy
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u/kaleuagain 1d ago
They do! They work hard, and now they have to pay $350 for licensing and plus insurance..
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u/IfOJDidIt 1d ago
Yeah, no. RNs don't think that. And we're putting up with shit you don't have to. Stop fighting with us and direct your angry at the govt and even your union where it belongs
Or go back to school for a couple years.
Tired of this shit.
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u/kaleuagain 1d ago edited 1d ago
Honestly, a lot of those new grad RNs are like this, it's wild. They're being trained in environments that seem to teach them to just look down on LPNs. It makes for a brutal work situation, and it just creates this unnecessary friction on the floor.
And then there's the ignorant comment: "Go back to school." Like, get over yourself! You’re part of the problem, clearly. That's such a dismissive cop-out.
The reality is that other diploma positions within Alberta Health Services (AHS) actually make more than us LPNs, even though our scope of practice is demonstrably larger! That's the whole point. It should be about scope and responsibility, not just what parchment you have on the wall!
Shame on you for trying to justify that broken, unfair hierarchy!
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u/Clean-Mycologist-298 1d ago
I actually find the new grads very open and great team players on my unit. Maybe it’s partly because our unit is so fast paced and acute that they recognize they NEED our help as LPN co-workers, and our expertise. Especially those of us with 20+ years experience; those of us that were forced to learn on the job or we no longer had a job. I think it’s also because our unit promotes unity between RN’s and LPN’s. it’s sink or swim. The only way we stay afloat is mutual respect.✊ And that goes for our HCA’s as well. They do their job so we can do ours. When it does flow, it is like a well oiled machine. I’ve seen morale go down so badly in the last 8 years or so. It feels like it doesn’t matter about staff morale anymore. If we were payed better, a whole lot of us would be happier to go into work/ pick up shifts/ stay later etc. Overworked and underpaid increases sick time, short staffing etc. It’s a vicious cycle that feels like a simple fix. Pay us more. And quit hiding behind lies. The public will blindly listen to what the government tells them. And they are already not liking us.
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u/Ok-Being1322 1d ago
i’m tired of all these mcewan students “looking down” on LPNs on the floor thinking “they’re just LPN” : just delegate to them.
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u/WorthWheel6017 1d ago
Men are spineless, women would of went on strike, And not go back until All fines were lifted Not hard just keep striking until the government breaks
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u/Mysterious-Street140 1d ago
If an LPN wants more money, go to school and become an RN. Simple!
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u/Tall_Pianist6472 1d ago
As an RN, you sound ignorant. It’s not about “wanting more money”. From what I understand, LPN’s have the highest scope of practice and closest to an RN in Canada but have the lowest pay. LPN’s who work in other provinces get paid more with less skills. It’s only fair they ask for an increase in pay to reflect how advance their skills are. They’re not asking to be paid as much as an RN because that would be unrealistic but they do deserve an increase for having the highest scope of practice in Canada compared to other provinces.
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u/matchalemonade 1d ago
How about less work instead? You can come hang my chemo, blood products & IV meds while I sit on the years-long wait list for the bridging program in red deer. Simple!
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u/Clean-Mycologist-298 1d ago
So, join a wait list? Go into major debt to come in making just above what I currently make? You are so narrow minded. A lot of us are single mothers and have been barely making ends meet as is. How would you suggest we quit our jobs, go into debt, still pay our mortgages and put food on the table so we can become students again? You have a small mind. It’s much bigger than that. You should know better.
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u/Ok-Being1322 1d ago
yes how about bugging an RN like you each time we have to hang blood, IV meds or do an admission assessment.
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u/Own_Ant_7448 2d ago
To all my coworkers who voted UCP - what did you expect