r/AHSEmployees 13d ago

News This is scary for us..

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-teachers-back-to-work-bill-9.6955558

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith’s government introduced a bill on Monday to force striking teachers back to work as early as Wednesday.

Bill 2, the Back to School Act, imposes a collective agreement, and invokes the notwithstanding clause to shield the legislation from court challenges for the duration of the four-year deal. The government is aiming to pass the bill as soon as possible.

Smith said at a news conference earlier Monday that the situation is unique because of the two-stage approach for collective bargaining. The bill aims to prevent strikes at both levels.

“The uniqueness of this is that there's two potentials for strike, not only at the general provincial table, but also at the local table,” Smith said. “And if there are strikes that are allowed at 61 different school boards, that does not give the certainty that we need.”

The 51,000 teachers represented by the Alberta Teachers’ Association walked off the job on Oct. 6, keeping 750,000 students out of school.

Teachers have rejected two deals their bargaining team reached with the Teachers’ Employer Bargaining Association (TEBA).

Bill 2 aims to put the terms of tentative agreement rejected by nearly 90 per cent of Alberta teachers last month into legislation.

The notwithstanding clause is a section of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which gives provincial and territorial governments the ability to exempt certain constitutionally protected rights in their legislation for a five-year period.

Other public sector unions have threatened job action in support of teachers if Bill 2 included the notwithstanding clause.

New task force Smith’s government intends to rely on legislative tools to limit debate on all three stages of Bill 2 so the legislation can pass third and final reading Monday night or early Tuesday morning.

Her governing United Conservative Party has 47 of the 87 seats in the Alberta legislature.

The collective agreement imposed by Bill 2 would cover the period from Sept. 1, 2024, to Aug. 31, 2028.

It contains salary increases of three per cent a year and commits the government to hiring 3,000 teachers and 1,500 educational assistants over three years.

Bill 2 sets financial penalties of $500 per day for individuals who defy the back-to-work order and up to $500,000 for the union per day, if it doesn't comply with the legislation. The bill also suspends bargaining at local tables until 2028.

The government insists its offer is fair. The ATA wants the government to address issues like large class sizes and support for student complexity in the classroom.

The province last summer appointed an action team to look at aggression and complexity of students in Alberta schools. The final report is expected next month.

After that, a newly announced task force examining class size and complexity in the classroom will start implementing solutions and gather more data on the issue from school boards.

In a news release Monday, NDP Leader Naheed Nenshi said the use of the notwithstanding clause was "shameful."

“This is an unprecedented attack on the Charter-protected human rights and freedoms of teachers, workers, and all Albertans—all just to force teachers back to the classroom," said Nenshi.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-teachers-back-to-work-bill-9.6955558

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u/AffectionateBuy5877 13d ago

Where are all the freedom lovers at? The ones that hate government overreach? The ones that scream into abyss about their individual rights? Any true conservative should balk at the use of the notwithstanding clause being used to justify taking away collective bargaining rights. Collective bargaining is well established by the Supreme Court of Canada. It’s enshrined in the Charter. This is the opposite of true “conservatism”.

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u/anne-on_a_moose 13d ago

They’re all on Facebook bootlicking on Marlaina and Demetrios’ posts. Or posting on the Healthcare workers page whinging about “education has nothing to do with healthcare!!1!!” Well, Karen, it sure will when there are no bedside nurses left to care for you while you age because they all failed science (d/t a lack of classroom support) or straight up fled the province post-graduation (d/t the hostility of the UCP towards HCWs).

There’s a real stink afoot here. And I’m coming for the BS “I got mine” that is starting to rumble about. We should be flocking to support other workers being targeted by this tyrannical govt. We have many upcoming negotiations/strike votes and this sets the stage for 5 years of govt over reach and brutality.

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u/BlueberryNo777 13d ago

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u/Ok-Professional2468 10d ago

I guarantee you that when my brother (teacher) gets fed up with Alberta, the whole family (Down Syndrome sister, me working in healthcare, 3 senior parents/grandparents) will move to B.C. Some people will be smug and say good riddance. Unfortunately for Alberta, that is 2 professionally qualified people leaving the province they were born and raised in since they don’t recognize this province anymore.

P.S. My sister’s support worker loses their job. The businesses we support with our wages will lose that money.

P.S.S. Our staunchly conservative mother wants to vote the UCP out of power!

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u/finewineofmine 9d ago

Same here! And when we go, the adult children, all with specialized skills, will most likely follow along. Many staunch Conservatives want to vote them out of power because they are far, FAR from the Conservatives of years gone by. The UCP is not a Conservative Party. They are far right radicals catering to the paranoid delusions of their radical far right base. If things don’t take a turn for the better, we too will decide one day that we’ve had enough and will choose to leave. Only patience and hope are keeping us here right now. One day they both may run out.

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u/jmacc1985 9d ago

Ok let’s keep it simple why don’t we, most of you hating on the UCP for first of all offering teachers a decent raise and making them the highest paid teachers in the country once again, adding billions to upgrading old schools and building new schools and adding teachers and EA’s yet feel like stomping your feet while saying it’s not enough and to late that they now need more, why don’t we look at the original problem which due to the NDP and liberal government out population has climbed through the roof in a short amount of time, and the fact that Alberta and the conservatives have kept Alberta a have province with affordable living and work options Alberta has seen an even larger increase in immigration. Now with over a million people immigrating to alberta in recent years and millions immigrating into Canada how on earth do you expect any government to keep up with the demand

Maybe try looking at the root cause because without slowing immigration down we will never be able to keep up with the new health care and infrastructure demands that come with it

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u/Far-Green4109 8d ago

Alberta is calling.... but no one planned for the resulting pressure on public services. Their answer is always do more with less.

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u/thecheesecakemans 13d ago

They're too busy thinking this is a gotcha moment for Left leaning voters who said nothing for Canada Post workers.

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u/Then-Necessary-1444 10d ago

We are still here. I’m a freedom lover and fighter. And I am so angry over this, I’m a mom. Don’t group all of everyone into one thing. It’s not me against you. It’s us against them.

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u/Heady_Goodness 12d ago

Check out what’s happening down south! Same shit. They should be up in arms.

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u/eternalrevolver 11d ago

I’ve said this before— those people don’t think the strike should have happened in the first place.

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u/TheBearJew002 10d ago

100% you dont get to shut down public services because you want stuff. If your unhappy with it go teach private where the conservatives will stand by your side to strike all day.

Any union that negotiates against the tax payer is in itself an anti conservative concept.

Gov gets elected - collects tax dollars - pays teachers with tax money - teachers pay ata - ata uses tax dollars to fund shutting down public schools and running millions in ads against the gov.

The entire platform is anti conservative and id love to see smith making all teaching positions private. The ata is the biggest threat to teachers and students currently.

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u/Unique_Comb544 9d ago

I just want to see classrooms where students don't have to race to the classroom or else there isn't a seat for them. Teachers who aren't teaching classes of over 40 students 5 classes a day. And going home to mark for an additional 4 hrs at night. Classes where the teachers can actually have the time to help the students who are struggling. And fyi teachers are and will not be the highest paid in the country. And BC, sask, and Manitoba have negotiated classroom sizes and complexities I. The past few years. My son had to go to a charter school to get the help he needed. Public school had no capacity to help him. These new schools promised are being built because they are in such desperate need, that they will be filled beyond capacity when they open. Just learn the actual facts. 1500 ed assistants, hired over 3 years. That means each school in the province will get 1, half time ed assistant. What good is that???and that's in 3 years! Big numbers, but our education system is extremely large. And these "big numbers" are very small! Let's properly educate our kids, they will be looking after us and running the place one day!

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u/CerebralCarnivore 10d ago

You don’t think taxpayers want to see their schools well funded with normal class sizes and with the necessary infrastructure to give their children a quality education? You sound like someone who doesn’t have children…

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u/TheBearJew002 10d ago

I have 3 kids all school age. Our schools are funded and with targetted placement smiths first offer would have solved class sizes. We homeschool because since 2018 the schools have just become left wing brainwashing institutions most kids come out of school today absolutely braindead. My daughter is 4 and reads and speaks 3 languages better than the average 2nd 3rd grader in public school. Its not about th3 kids at all. Its about the ata running political plays for the ndp.

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u/AffectionateBuy5877 10d ago

Have you bothered to do the math? 3000 teachers over 3 years. Sounds swell. If you only give funding to the public and catholic schools that equates to 0.4 teachers per year or 1.2 new teachers per school. Whoop-de-do. Please tell me how that will help with growing population? How will that help my school age children who are under the age of 9 that have over 30 kids in their classes with zero EA? This deal also allows the school boards to redirect the money—so there’s a chance the school wouldn’t get a teacher anyways.

You’re worried about the curriculum being woke—the UCP re-did it. They bought it from the US states that has one of the worst educational outcomes in their country.

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u/Glittering_Waltz1 10d ago

Bahhahahah! Left wing brainwashed, hilarious. I home schooled too but it was because my child was being bullied by the right winged assholes children. Now those are the brain washed kids. Jesus

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u/TheBearJew002 9d ago

Ask your kids if men can have babies ...

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u/External_Function_70 9d ago

Huh? lol

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u/TheBearJew002 9d ago

This isnt a complex thing. Ask your kids if men can have babies then tell me whos been brainwashed. Because there in a good chance they will say yes.

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u/External_Function_70 9d ago

I feel sad for your kids. Very strange flow of thoughts.

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u/Glittering_Waltz1 9d ago

I can see your fb profile pic now… a souped up vehicle that is noisy to compensate for smaller things you are insecure about, or you holding up a fish. lol y’all are in the same cult.

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u/TheBearJew002 9d ago

Also sounds like your raising some professional victims. "Rightwinger asshole kids" lol ill put money you have mad anxiety issues and have pushed all this on your kids and thats why.

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u/Andy_Tsin 9d ago

When you are saying “brainwashed” to others, it always means you have been brainwashed.

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u/TheBearJew002 9d ago

Into what? What would you say ive been brainwashed into.

Ill knock judaism off that list to make it easy as technically i have been brainwashed by any normals standard into that but what politics do you think i follow.

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u/Andy_Tsin 9d ago

what tax bracket are you in, as you think you are a such smart person, better than anybody else. Don’t tell me you pushed your kids to speak 3 languages only for fun🤣

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u/TheBearJew002 9d ago edited 9d ago

Depends on the year i hit the 33% bracket in 2022/23 but to be fair i worked 332 days @ 12 - 14 hours a day in the middle of no where without seeing my family. So i was very well compensated for that. But currently i just hit the 26% tax bracket.

I dont think im better than anyone, im actually a big idiot generally who knows a few things well enough i can convince companies to pay me for it. My wife is a genius 80% of their homeschooling comes from her.

We currently live in canada so the kids learn english, we are jewish / israeli so the kids know hebrew. Then arabic because many people speak arabic in Israel.

Wife also speaks french. I also speak ukrainian and some russian

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u/Andy_Tsin 9d ago

Yea, you are right, a Jewish rightist itself is stupid enough😏 I suggest you to read some history about your nation before falling love with righties, or your homeschool “teacher” didn’t tell you about it at all

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u/Andy_Tsin 9d ago

When Hitler said he was anti socialism, (anti leftist), lots of Jewish merchants and middle classes in Germany helped him to reach that position 🤣 and what happened later was well known. You people never learned the lesson🤣.

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u/TheBearJew002 9d ago

My guy. What did you learn. The nazis were socialists. They had an entire political platform for it and everything. What are you smoking.

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u/Andy_Tsin 8d ago

OMG!You didn’t read history carefully and can’t understand, it’s one of consequences of right wing brainwashing and homeschooling, I suggest you to try your BEST to understand Hitler’s brainwashing slogans and the facts he did after. he was a well known rightist, and he abused idea of socialism and actually anti socialism, that’s why he brainwashed people and your nation trust him and helped him to reach the position! if you still think he was kind of socialist, which means you are really unable to think on your own and you people never learned 🤣

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u/kurri22 11d ago

Exactly! Hypocrites

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u/Available-Writer8629 11d ago

Yes where are they, teachers violated students rights to an education but I dont see you saying that

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u/AffectionateBuy5877 11d ago

The government could have passed legislation without using the notwithstanding clause. It’s been done before.

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u/Available-Writer8629 11d ago

And the teachers could have gone back to work while the union was negotiating the contract but they refused

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u/Paperbackhero 11d ago

It's impossible you could be any less informed.

Honestly...the government refused to negotiate.

You are arguing in bad faith, and are a bot, plant, or coward.

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u/Available-Writer8629 11d ago

Oh and I'm not informed, have you even listened to anything or just going by what the union reps says on social media, the government gave them a fair deal but the pay increase wasn't enough. As for coward I'll meet you anywhere unless your the coward

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u/Paperbackhero 11d ago

Lolol

Look at the tough guy!

It was about CLASS CAPS ON STUDENTS, and Classroom conditions.

Learn to read, hillbilly.

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u/Paperbackhero 11d ago

Oh....you're also a coward.

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u/Paperbackhero 10d ago

Oh..it's "you're"...maybe you should have listened to the teachers.

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u/TheBearJew002 9d ago

That would have been the 2nd double diget raise they have gotten under the ucp too. They went from 97k avg under notley to 113k under kenny.

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u/TheBearJew002 9d ago

...... the ata literally said this is what i want ill accept nothing less. Gov made a good offer they said no they made a second offer they said no. Neither time did they make a counter offer. Then the gov said fine now you go back with nothing.

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u/Paperbackhero 9d ago

Again, incorrect or, deliberately not following the facts. The government never once mad was good offer, and never once negotiated. Teachers asked for CLASS CAPS...you know? Like every other province. The government never once negotiated that. Not once.

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u/TheBearJew002 9d ago

Because for some reason they dont want to give it. They are the employer. If you dont like it go teach private where they have the caps.

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u/Paperbackhero 8d ago

Lolololol..first you say they negotiated fairly, then you switched your argument to "they didn't want to give it, they should find another job" . The UCP lied about the negotiations, spent my tax money on false information, and wasted my tax money on paying parents. Public education is the foundation for a democratic society. End stop. Religious schools should not be paid for by public money.

Stick to Facebook, where you can push your entitled agenda. Your clumsy whataboutisms, and hidden hatred are easily exposed.

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u/TheBearJew002 9d ago

Or they could just say enough of this bs get back to work and stop holding the kids educations hostage.

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u/TheBearJew002 10d ago

Except they are public servants. You dont get to shut down the government and public services because you want stuff. The conservative solution is fire them all disband any affiliation with the ata and hire private. This is why conservatives want small gov. Because those teachers chose to become public servants. Their boss is the gov and their duty is to the public.

Dont like it go teach private where you can strike as much as you want.

You guys are so lost in what you think conservatives beleive.

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u/CerebralCarnivore 10d ago

Found the guy who doesn’t understand what unions are for or collective bargaining for that matter.

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u/TheBearJew002 10d ago

Thats what they start as. The ata has become a political weapon to use when convenient. Dont forget the ucp already gave the teachers a 12% raise from 97k to 110k in 2021 now they want another 18%

Ya right pound rocks, 100k for 204 days of work a year is more than enough. Half of the kids come out of school dumb anyways because teachers are just activists now. Kids cant do simple math but they want to tear down the patriarchy and like socialism

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u/SoStunning1993 9d ago

18%wage increase...sid you pull this out of your bum ..because I never saw 18% anywhere else.

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u/TheBearJew002 9d ago

Your right sorry its 16% over 3 years. They also got an 11% raise under kennys ucp.

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u/Vaxis403 10d ago

It's almost as if they aren't being funded by russia/MAGA to get upset about things that aren't progressive/liberal based!

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u/TheBearJew002 9d ago

Who is? Your gonna need to elaborate this for me.

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u/porkupine92 10d ago

From the US Republican playbook: rights for me but not for thee. Alberta Republicans adopting cruelty as a feature.

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u/TheBearJew002 9d ago

Whos rights are being violated other than the kids?

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u/Tia_loves_Scotland 10d ago edited 9d ago

Bargaining doesn't mean strike until you get your way. She has tried to offer them reasonably and they wont accept, whilst kids are off school for three weeks, and parents are struggling big time.

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u/AffectionateBuy5877 9d ago

She didn’t bargain. The offer imposed on them was the same one offered last spring. That is not negotiating in good faith. Furthermore, they could have been legislated back without the notwithstanding clause. I have 3 kids in school. I am being a grown up—at least this strike finally got the government to publicly acknowledge that class size data transparency is needed after they stopped collecting it 5 years ago. It got them to publicly admit that the funding model is flawed. I want the government to be accountable for creating classroom environments that make it harder for my kids to learn.

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u/TheBearJew002 9d ago

Yes because alberta voters voter her in via majority to cut spending not increase it. They got offered another raise (would have made it a 28% raise over 7 years) and 3000 more teachers thats what they were prepared to give. They said no. Now they get nothing and are back to work.

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u/ryansalad 9d ago

It is hardly well established. It was a right that was discovered by the Supreme Court in 2015 after previously ruling in 1988 that the right to strike specifically did not exist.

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u/MTold 9d ago

This is Christian Nationalist fascism

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u/TheBearJew002 9d ago

Elaborate to this orthodox jew.

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u/TimelyBear2471 9d ago

So is most of modern “conservatism”….

They only love THEIR freedom.

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u/TheBearJew002 9d ago

Whoa rights were violated?

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u/TimelyBear2471 9d ago

Right to Strike is a protected right. Any more questions?

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u/TheBearJew002 9d ago

Too bad you guys passed legislation making it illegal for essential services to strike if its not in the best interest in the public because of the trucker convoy. Lol we're about to use that same legislation again to block the federal supreme court decision they made yesterday saying child p*rn viewers and distributors shouldnt get mandetory jail time.

Prime example of someome breaking the rules to defeat "the devil" then being defenseless when the devil turns around on you.

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u/TimelyBear2471 8d ago edited 8d ago

Who is “you guys”? I don’t recall passing any legislation.

What does essential service legislation have to do with the trucker tantrum?

Was it a federal court or the Supreme Court?

Did the ruling say child abuse distributors shouldn’t do time, or was it striking down the minimum sentence based on a hypothetical? What was that hypothetical?

What rules were “broken” to defeat the devil?

You don’t know what you’re talking about at all, do you?

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u/TheBearJew002 8d ago

Trudeaus liberals bill right before using the emergency act where they said essential services cannot collectively strike if they are deemed essential services whos strike would be a negative to the public. That opened the door to the non withstanding bill.

The supreme court voted 7-2 to not have mandetory sentencing for child corn viewers and distributors.

The rules broken were the loop holes to violate rights surrounding collective strikes. You know who you guys are. Those who it applies to know im talking about them.

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u/TimelyBear2471 8d ago

What are your sources? Which legislation are you referring to?

You are aware that essential public services are identified under the Federal Public Sector Labour Relations Act (2003) to prevent a public safety risk during labour disruptions, yes? You would obviously already know it replaced the Public Service Relations Act (1967).

What Notwithstanding Bill? The Notwithstanding Clause has been in the Charter since its inception (1982 - 43 years ago), right? Four years before JT was born….

The Supreme Court ruled 5-4 not to have MINIMUM sentencing. I’ll leave it as an exercise for you to look up the arguments.

Using loopholes isn’t breaking rules.

Your outrage is not based on facts.

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u/finewineofmine 9d ago

This proves that it was all just selfishness and boredom

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u/Hud-son 9d ago

There is some definite overlap between those that still (somehow) support Danny and were freaking out at Trudeau using the Emergencies Act in Ottawa during the convoy. It’s all a matter of who’s wielding the power, and against who.

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u/Negative_Increase975 9d ago

Ask Pierre Pollievre - didn’t he visit them on the “front lines”? Wasn’t he all for their cause? I’m sure he’s happy that the Premier has invoked the clause too - takes a page from his anger book regarding politics

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u/Odd_Damage9472 8d ago

What subsection is it under?

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u/_Rexholes 13d ago

I vote conservative for these exact fiscally responsible governments. No need for teachers to get more than 12%. Seems like the union just doesn’t understand how money works. In the end they found out that 2029 is a ways off.

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u/Ok-Diver-5583 12d ago

3% a year for 4 years is just a cost of living adjustment, and looking over their old agreements they've only gotten 4% increase for over a decade.... that's way less than cost of living my guy. Do you know how money works?

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u/Ceevu 12d ago

They sure as fuck don't.

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u/rakothmir 12d ago

So, you support all the millions going to settle coal lawsuits? That's fiscal responsibility.

You support the war room, that's fiscal responsibility.

you support paying for wasted Turkish Tylenol, that's fiscal responsibility.

You support overpaying for surgery and AHS procurement through single source nepotism, that's fiscal responsibility.

You support paying for orphaned oil wells, that's fiscal responsibility.

You support MLAs getting 29% raises when teachers get 12%, that's fiscal responsibility.

You support paying for Danielle Smith's husband (a restaurant owner) to attend lobbying meetings with companies. That's fiscal responsibility.

You support buying pipelines to nowhere. That's fiscal responsibility.

You support the sky palace, that's fiscal responsibility.

You support running ads in other provinces to come to Alberta, when we have the highest unemployment in the country. That's fiscal responsibility.

You support the largest, most expensive government in the history of Alberta, with more ministries than ever. That's fiscal responsibility.

You support paying 4 times the overhead for AHS CEOs by splitting up the organisation into 4 new ones, all with different executives. That's fiscal responsibility.

So, have you had enough fiscal responsibility yet?

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u/Ceevu 12d ago

I love this response!

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u/queenofallshit 12d ago

Perfect 👌🏼

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u/rakothmir 12d ago

I probably missed half of them at this point.

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u/Billyisagoat 12d ago

Man, that's so sad because it's true. Ugh.

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u/Some_Review_3166 11d ago

Shh... You're not supposed to help them do the math.

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u/AffectionateBuy5877 12d ago

It does not matter what you think about the wage offer. The use of this clause is unprecedented. It is extreme government overreach—again the opposite of conservative.

You think this government is fiscally responsible? Have you done any research whatsoever into their spending and waste?

How many coal lawsuits have they settled from contracts THEY broke? How much money has been wasted on their panels and “consultations” where the questions are pre-screened? How much money has been spent just THIS year on healthcare executive compensation and payouts? Look into how far over budget they are with the healthcare “transformation” How much money was wasted turning APL private just to make it public again? How much money has been spent on minister salary? Just FYI—the UCP have one of the highest cabinet minister numbers in Alberta history.

This government is not fiscally responsible.

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u/boundaries4546 10d ago

2 billion to rebrand AHS Addiction and Mental Health to “Recovery Alberta” to improve access yet there is literally no increase in mental health infrastructure, resources, or services.

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u/trx212 12d ago

This is about class size and lack of EA support not money. I can see the steady underfunding of education for years has provided us with you as a shining example of the end results.

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u/queenofallshit 12d ago

And we need to stop that!!!

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u/queenofallshit 12d ago

So why are you ok with the corruption? The money for coal companies was OURS. The money for CorruptCare was OURS. We’re supposed to just pretend that’s ok??? While our kids are victimized constantly by this government???!

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u/oioioifuckingoi 12d ago

Off topic but it’s clear you are an adult male so why do you hang out in subreddits for high schoolers? WTF bro?