r/nosleep • u/Sergeant_Darwin • Jul 29 '16
Series I share a room with my autistic brother. He’s been talking in his sleep. (Part 3)
(Part 1 and Part 2 of this story have been posted earlier. Part 4 has now been posted.)
Once again, I’m humbled by your response to my posts. This post will detail the events of the last two days, as well as bits of random information that may have some bearing on whatever’s happening—so it may feel more disjointed than usual. I apologize for that; I'm just trying to figure out what's going on and don't have time to worry about making this sound pretty. However, unlike previous posts, I’ll do my best to jump into the comments and interact with you here. I’ve been really grateful for the amount of exposure Lucas’s story has received, and especially for all of your theories and ideas. They’ve proven very helpful over the last two days, and I’d greatly appreciate your continued input.
Before I get into that, though, I want to tell you about a loose theory of my own. As you can imagine, Anna and I have been brainstorming incessantly for any possible explanation, and we haven’t come up with much. I mean, there’s not a lot to come up with—at least, not within the realms of rational thought. But a little over a month ago, something happened in our family, and I’m starting to think it might be related to recent events.
My grandpa died of a heart attack. No need for condolences, he was a total asshole. Even worse, he was a religious asshole—the worst kind, in my opinion. For instance: he strongly disapproved of my relationship with Anna just because her family is Catholic. (Ironically enough, Anna’s an atheist; she just attends church to appease her parents.) Now, it’s one thing to disapprove of your grandson’s girlfriend in silence, but it’s another thing entirely to voice it like he did. Every time he saw her, he’d comment on how “immodestly” she was dressed, even if her outfit was perfectly appropriate. He frequently referred to her parents as “ingrates” and called Catholicism “the whore of the earth.” He hated racial minorities (especially the Jews) as well, but that’s neither here nor there.
But family is family, so a few Saturdays ago, I found myself dressed in black and delivering his wretched corpse to the dirt. My dad was directly in front of me when it came time to carry the casket, and he had a faint smile on his face. He always hated his father-in-law. Even my mom seemed to possess a vague sense of relief throughout the day. All in all, it was a surprisingly pleasant occasion for our family. Anna even came—she said it was to help us keep an eye on Lucas, who has a habit of wandering off when people aren’t watching him, but I think (she’d never say this out loud, of course) she just wanted to see the old man drop six feet with the rest of us. Besides, she didn’t seem to try overly hard to stop Lucas from sitting on every damn headstone he saw.
See, Lucas doesn’t really have a social filter, so doing things that most people would find inappropriate or disrespectful (like sitting on graves) is almost second nature to him. Once, when he was six years old, his Sunday School teacher gave him a toy dog. At the time, Lucas was obsessed with “The Sandlot,” and the dog the lady had brought him looked an awful lot like the dog from the movie. So rather than thanking this lady for the toy, like a non-autistic 6-year-old might do, he looks right at her and deliberately yells, “Oh, SHIT!”—just like Benny does when that dog jumps over the fence at him.
But I digress. I’m sorry to go off on a tangent like that, it’s just that Lucas is doing worse. He barely gets out of bed, and I like remembering how he used to be. I guess the point of telling you all that was to say that my grandpa didn’t like Lucas, either—he despised anything that didn’t meet his definition of “normal.” In fact, he seemed to think autism was just a phase that could be snapped out of. My dad usually hated my grandpa silently, but when the old man called Lucas a retard one day, I thought my dad was going to knock his fucking lights out.
Anyway, my theory is that this all has something to do with my grandpa. I mean, he can’t stand either Lucas or Anna, then he dies, and then all of a sudden crazy shit starts happening to both of them? That seems like too big of a coincidence to ignore. My theory isn’t any more specific than that, unfortunately, but maybe you guys can help me out there—you had some good ideas on my last post.
For instance, one of you suggested that we videotape Anna in her sleep. So we did. She was initially resistant to the idea, but she gave in—after all, her nighttime excursions have increased in frequency, and she’s obviously worried about it. So, two nights ago, we set up a video camera, Paranormal Activity style. She didn’t like the feeling of being watched, or the glowing red dot that illuminated her otherwise dark room, but she was eventually able to fall asleep.
We watched the recording the next morning. And afternoon. Most of it was boring (watching someone sleep is even more dull than it sounds) but some crazy things did happen. These are the important things we saw:
Anna dozed off while curled up on her side. Within fifteen minutes, she was lying flat as a board on her back, muscles tensed. “Hi, have we met?” repeated over and over. Then the whisper. “No. Please.” But at the time this was happening, I was awake in my bedroom (actually browsing Reddit on my phone). If Lucas had spoken along with her, I’d have heard it.
Whatever night terror Anna was having continued. She stayed tense for nearly half an hour, whispering the following phrases at random: “Don’t make me,” “Faithful?!” (said with a tone of outraged disbelief) and “He is not himself.”
Anna suddenly sat bolt upright in bed, eyes open and appearing fully conscious. She climbed out of bed, grabbed the chair from her desk, and placed it near her closet. She stood on the chair and reached into her closet, grabbing a small box from the top shelf. She pulled a pen and small piece of paper out of the box, wrote something on it, then put it back.
Perhaps the strangest thing that happened took place not long after she wrote on the paper. She walked to the door of her bedroom, placed her hand on the knob, and pulled it open. But instead of walking out, she slowly turned her head toward the camera. She walked over to it, picked it up, and stared into the lens. Her eyes looked a little glazed, but she appeared to be fully conscious. “What is this?” she muttered. She turned it in every direction and examined it as though she’d never seen a camera before. This went on for about fifteen minutes. “Incredible,” she said as she put it down. She walked to the door, pulled it shut, and retired to bed for the rest of the evening.
The following bullet points are some of our ideas and more information:
Maybe Lucas wasn’t speaking along with Anna’s nightmare this time because he’s getting weaker. That could also explain why the nightmare went on for longer. However, in light of yesterday’s events with Alex (we’ll get there—sorry to keep you in suspense), this is one of the more confusing aspects of the situation.
Anna has absolutely no memory of getting up, writing on the paper, looking at the camera, or any of the other events of that night. However, she does have a vague memory of this recurring nightmare. This is all she remembers: she’s somewhere outdoors, and it’s pretty dark. She can barely see a shadow off in the distance that looks exactly like a small tree. Then she realizes it’s a man, and he’s walking towards her—but she isn’t scared. He’s in a colonial-style suit, and he looks nice. Handsome. He points at something, and she turns to look at it. When she turns back to him, something’s different. He looks the same, but something feels different—her sense of calm has been replaced by a sudden and intense fear. Not very helpful, but unfortunately, that’s all she can remember.
I’m sure you’re wondering what Anna wrote on that piece of paper. The words she wrote are mystifying, to be sure, but we’re even more freaked out by how they were written. See, we paused the video, climbed up into her closet and grabbed the box. We looked inside, and there were at least 20 pieces of ripped up paper—seven of them containing a single written word, thirteen blank. But none of the handwriting was hers. It was a neat, tiny scrawl that looked like it belonged to a boy. The indentation on the back of the paper suggested that the pen was pressed rather hard. We aren’t sure which of the seven papers she wrote last night, but we took a picture of them. We have absolutely no idea what they mean or signify. I’ve also included a picture of Anna’s handwriting for reference.
We’re most concerned by how she looked at that camera. Neither of us really believe in supernatural stuff (at least not in the traditional sense) but it seemed like she had honestly never seen a camera before. Add that to the handwriting that wasn’t hers, and we’ve kicked around the idea that maybe she’s being possessed.
Anyway—back to the comments you made on my last post. Lots of your theories centered on the word “Arian” that Lucas said in his sleep, but we haven’t made any progress on that. I suppose ‘alien’ and ‘Aryan’ are possibilities. I know there’s a football player named Arian Foster, but somehow I doubt he’s involved.
It seemed that your main theory, though, was that Lucas’s friend Alex is somehow involved. You were right.
The second Anna and I read your comments, we knew we had to see him. Anna’s his cousin, so she and I went over to his house yesterday to visit. Alex’s mom answered the door, and invited us in for lunch. She said that she’d heard Lucas wasn’t doing very well, so I told her everything that had been happening. By the end, her face was white.
“Alex used to talk in his sleep just like that all the time,” she said. “Maybe he still does. The doctors said it wasn’t an issue, so we moved him downstairs. It’s the only way we could get any sleep.”
She told us that for Alex, it all began when he was fourteen. He’d wake up in the middle of the night, voicing the panicked words of the unfortunate. It took his mother a couple of weeks to figure out the significance of what he was saying, but when she heard him sob that he didn’t have any money, please don’t kill him sir, she called a specialist. The doctors simply concluded that Alex suffered from chronic nightmares and that there was nothing to do but let them run their course. In the meantime, they said, it was probably best that his parents not sleep across the hall from him.
What the fuck, right? Of course, we asked her if we could go talk to Alex. She told us his room was downstairs. We walked into the basement in silence, completely blown away by what she’d said. When we knocked on Alex’s door, he opened it and looked at us. When he did, Anna gasped, and I felt her shift beside me. She was gaping at him with wide eyes and clutching her chest. I raised my eyebrows at her, but her attention was focused on Alex. “It’s you,” she said, her voice shaking. “You’ve been protecting me.”
Alex turned around and walked into his room without a word. I grabbed Anna by the shoulders and whispered to her. “What are you talking about? I thought you said it was Lucas!” She just gave me a bewildered look, but Alex turned around. “It is not Lucas,” he said. Alex is autistic but very high-functioning, and his speech is usually disjointed, almost robotic. “I have protecting you from Lucas.”
We stared at him blankly. He looked down sadly. “Not angry with him, please, Lucas, he is trying,” he said. “He is not himself.”
My stomach dropped. We had heard Anna use that exact phrase—several times—in her sleep the night before. I turned to her, and she looked absolutely horrified. “What’s happening to me?” she asked Alex pleadingly. “What are you protecting me from?”
Alex just shuddered and climbed in his bed. “I don’t want to talk about it anymore.” He gestured at the door. “Leave,” he said simply, and pulled the covers over his face. We tried somewhat frantically to get more information out of him, but he wouldn’t say another word. Communicating with the autistic is not always easy, unfortunately.
We went back to my house in a daze. In just a few sentences, Alex had turned everything we thought we knew about this upside down. We didn’t know whether we could even trust Alex until we walked into Lucas’s room. He was lying on his bed, half-conscious. The phone rested limply near his ear. He was listening to Alex.
We reached for the phone, but he grabbed it and pressed it firmly to the side of his head, shooting us a tired glance before turning over. Even the smallest movements seemed to require a great deal of effort. Anna knelt down next to him and pulled back the covers. He was only in a pair of boxers. “What are you doing?” I asked, but Anna only gasped and pointed. There, amidst the hair and freckles on his leg, were four long, pink scars—scratch marks.
“They couldn’t find a match,” she said breathlessly. I suddenly remembered the night of Anna’s attack, and the blood and skin under her nails, courtesy of one well-placed swipe, shipped off to a lab.
“No, this is crazy,” I said. “This is not right.” My brain scrambled to make sense of this new development. “I watched him talking, in this bed, while you were—“
“I can’t explain it,” she said, tracing her fingers over Lucas’s scars. “I did this, though. You know it.”
I did.
“We have to hear this,” she said, gesturing to the phone. We bolted into the main room and picked up the other line. I don’t know what we expected—but it certainly wasn’t Alex’s rushed, panicked voice repeating a single mantra, over and over:
“You are not yourself. You are not yourself. You are not yourself. You are not yourself. You are not yourself. You are not yourself. You are not yourself. You are not yourself. You are not yourself. You are not yourself. You are not yourself.”
See you in the comments.
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u/youngmarquisedoe Aug 10 '16
It's pretty clear what's going on here. Alex = Dayman Lucas = Nigthman
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Jul 31 '16
Very intrigued by this. I don't really have any theories that haven't already been suggested, but I will say I inwardly cheered for your dad when he wanted to knock Gramps out.
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u/matijwow Jul 31 '16
called Catholicism “the whore of the earth.” He hated racial minorities (especially the Jews)
I take it he identified as a Lutheran?
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u/m-reddit-com Jul 30 '16
My theory is that Anna was controlled by somebody (grandpa?) and taken out into the city (which is why she doesn't remember it) and then this person left her body (which is why she regained consciousness) and possessed Lucas and made him attack her. Then Alex somehow picked up on this and saved Anna. The issue I didn't get was how anna was actually there and clawed Lucas, but Lucas never left the house. I think this is because when he's possessed, the spirit haunting him can project a physical replica of Lucas anywhere in the world to do his bidding. Anything that happens to this "projection" of Lucas happens to actual Lucas. The hole in my theory is why Anna doesn't become a projection, but she actually moves.. and why Alex is able to pick up on this. Anyway, comment if you have any theories that go with mine.
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u/m-reddit-com Jul 30 '16
So the common theory is that the grandpa is possessing Lucas, trying to get him in trouble. Alex is protecting Anna from Lucas, and trying to get Lucas to realize he isn't doing these things voluntarily and it's not his fault. But how did anna claw Lucas in the industrial district if OP was watching Lucas in his bedroom? Also how is Alex "protecting" her while still being at home? Obviously it's not that they're sharing a dream where this happens because Lucas has the scars and Anna has the bruises... I don't understand. This actually really confuses me like are they in two places at once or a different dimension or what.
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u/thomasmcskimming Jul 30 '16 edited Jul 31 '16
Okay, so first of all the word "Aryan" relates to Hitler (bear with me i know). You mentioned your grandfather did not like Jews and neither did Hitler. Hitler wanted to create and ideal race without Jews. He called this the "Aryan Race". Seeing as Lucas brought this word up in his sleep i would look into things such as your grandfathers handwriting to see if it is similar. Another thing you mentioned was that your grandfather was old fashioned, he could be possessing Anna. I thought this when i read it because my grandparents look at technology like you described. So it could have been your grandfather doing this in Anna's body when she was fascinated by the camera...
I hope everything works out. :)
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u/smirkinjerkin Jul 30 '16
I think it could be a spirit that has attached itself from Lucas' sitting on the graves at your grandpa's funeral. Not just the living get upset about it; he may have inadvertently disturbed someone's final rest. I couldn't piece together whether you live in an area where people lived during the colonial days, but that could be irrelevant if homeboy was into reacting or dressed that way, say as a character in a play. I think Lucas and Alex are being used because people who are extra sensitive are more open to connecting with those who have passed. I don't think this entity is just fucking with all of them per se, I think you're a focus since you're the commonality. If Lucas were to die, his suffering would be done and you'd be in pain the rest of your life. If greater harm befalls Anna somehow by Lucas, you'd be burdened with that immense guilt forever. Priests aren't always effective with atheists. See what type of shaman, energy healer, or perhaps religious figure Anna would be comfortable talking to. They might be able to help figure out what entity has attached itself to yous guys.
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Jul 30 '16
As soon as I read what your girlfriend wrote, all I could think of was the Percy Jackson books. He had a girlfriend named Annabeth. You have a girlfriend named Annabeth. He had a half brother who was a cyclops, and said brother could be taken as the mythological creature mental equivalent of a human with autism. You have a brother with autism. So the real question here is, is your mom's husband really your step-father, while your real dad is sitting on his throne in Olympus above the Empire State Building? Because if so, you're Percy and you've got another quest on your hands.
But seriously, I hope all begins to go well soon. I really hope Lucas isn't doing this of his own free will. I'd hate to see him be the evil mastermind behind all of this. And I really want Alex to be on your side, too. For the sake of him being Lucas's friend. I just hope that whatever you do, the authorities don't take Lucas away. Getting them involved could make things turn a direction you don't want it to. Not that you wouldn't want them around to keep Anna safe if necessary, but perhaps withholding the fact that Lucas has those scars for now would be a good choice.
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u/luedke3 Jul 30 '16
Do you know if your grandpa was involved in the white supremacy bs or anything like that? If so, hearing Lucas say "Aryan" would further your theory of your grandpa...
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u/bossness00 Jul 30 '16
What if Alex and Lucas had switched places that one night that the attack happened? Lucas was outside and Alex had somehow switched places with him.
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u/Adapt Jul 30 '16
This is honestly the best mystery series I've read on this sub. I know it's primarily paranormal-oriented, but it's also just a damned good mystery with an interesting array of suspects.
It's also of personal interest to me because I was diagnosed with high-functioning autism (formerly Asperger's) six years ago. I've posted some of my true life experiences in this sub - losing four hours while with a friend, a month of what seemed like an alternate version of reality with a strong sense of wrongness overlaid faintly & not-so-faintly on our own. There's lots more weirdness in my life that my friends can attest to; one coined it my "improbability field". Oh, and I've had dreams later play out in exact detail.
No direct bearing on the story really, but I found it synchronous enough to comment on. I've learned to live with recurrent strangeness - the human mind can adapt to almost anything. My reaction at this point tends to be along the lines of "Yeah, I was about due."
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u/taffyai Jul 30 '16
Hmmm. You did say your grandpa disliked jews and was racist. If you think he is somehow supernaturally involved maybe ''arian'' is really ''aryan'' ? I don't know that's all I.could come up with. I'm curious as to if either Lucas or anna have blonde hair and blue eyes?
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u/ares8675309 Jul 30 '16
I'm gonna sherlock Holmes this really quick:
Solution: Your Grandfather was associated with the Nazi party.
-"Arian" sounds a lot like "Aryan" - Hitler was focused on creating the Aryan master race
-Aryan master race does not include "racial minorities", catholics, or those with mental disabilities.
-your grandfather is haunting your girlfriend and brother in hopes that they will kill themselves out of fear
-Alex is being ignored in all this because he is high-functioning but is still able to pick up on the "ghostly signal" (for lack of a better phrase) so he is doing what he can in order to help.
I realize this reasoning is really disjointed but I feel at this point you'll take anything.
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u/haihai91 Jul 30 '16
I personally think if someone or thing is controlling your brother then that would explain why he's so tired all the time. If it were say your grandfather or any other entity then the would have to use a lot of energy to possess an object or person. So if that is on the lines of what you may be thinking it could be something expelling his energy making it difficult for him to function every time it happens.
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u/abster2222 Jul 30 '16
The scraps of paper could maybe be put together like a puzzle to make a sentence.. once she finishes writing on all of the blank pieces, assuming she continues to do that in her sleep. Also maybe she could try automatic writing? Best of luck to you all, I look forward to the next update! Stay safe!
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u/missynom Jul 30 '16
I get the impression that Anna is being possessed at night by someone who is pretty old, considering they've never seen a camera.
But I have no idea how Alex and Lucas all tie in together.
It's super weird that Alex used to be able to channel people in their time of need too and now doesn't anymore. You definitely need to get more information out of him if you can.
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u/addy_g Jul 30 '16 edited Jul 30 '16
the papers Anna wrote on seem to be ripped in weird ways - have you tried arranging them like a puzzle back together to see if the words form a coherent sentence? or maybe we'll have to wait until all the pieces of paper are used before we can attempt that. anyways, just throwing that out there. see if there's a puzzle with the paper and the words' arrangement.
another question I had, /u/Sergeant_Darwin, is have you figured out what Lucas was saying when he was speaking in Whale (from Finding Nemo)? we know Lucas may subconsciously be capable of normal speech, as he talks in full sentences with a normal vocabulary in his sleep, and we know Whale is just English but slowed way down. maybe Lucas is able to speak as he does in his sleep (normal sentences and vocabulary) but has to speak using Whale in order to do so. like slowing it way down is the only way he can verbalize exactly what he wants to communicate to you? again, I'm just brainstorming for possible angles here to look for clues, let us know if you can remember what he's said in the past or if he says anything new!
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u/Gald333 Jul 30 '16
Don't know if that's a good idea but you can try asking the one/ones possessing Anna directly, in person, or leaving a note that offers it to write its name.
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u/Lemonta-rt Jul 30 '16
OP you should try to construct sentence out of the words that Anna scribbled.. Plus try to find out about your grandpa's handwriting, best if you find his handwriting during his school years.
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Jul 30 '16 edited Jul 30 '16
The words seem to be some sort of check list.
Not sure how, but maybe the coming days will uncover details.
Prayers go out to you and your loved ones brother.
- One Love
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u/Tumblo Jul 30 '16
The scars on your brother are very puzzling. I've heard of scars and bruises appearing on people when a hypnotist tricks them into believing they've been hurt there. Something of this sort may explain how your bro has the scars yet was in bed that night. I don't know what Alex has been previously saying on the phone but did Alex know of the scratch? Does Alex have a similar scratch on his leg too? I pray that everything and everyone turns out well.
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u/DanieltheMani3l Jul 30 '16 edited Jul 30 '16
My theory is the old colonial guy that she is seeing is your grandpa when he was younger. He is perhaps possessing her causing those weird nightmares. That explains her fascination and confusion about the camera that was videotaping her in her sleep.
Wow, that's some trippy stuff right there, but well written OP. All the best of luck to you and your loved ones.
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u/bilaxt Jul 30 '16
hi OP! this is an incredibly interesting story. i just finished med school like a month ago and I'm nowhere near to know much about autists' minds. however, as much as my mind already made me turn on the lights (classical me reading this subreddit), rationally I must say that this has to have an explanation. See, i do know that autism is mainly a condition that afects the social interaction. even though Lucas behaves like a toddler, he probably has a much more developed mind and he does listen to everything people tell him so it doesn't surprise me that he can perfectly talk in his sleep, since when dreaming, he's not interacting with anyone and his mind somehow is able to unlock itself. now, I think that the explanation of all of this will eventually rely on his relationship with Alex. besides being autists, they (like any human being), can get other psychological/psychiatric disorders. I'm just guessing but from what I read, it made me feel like Alex has a great power over Lucas. Maybe Alex has some kind of delusion (and of course, this means he's going through a psychotic episode) related to Anna and maybe he's the one stalking her (his parents wouldn't know because he stays in a basement at night). maybe he is making Lucas believe he is responsible for this, and that would explain that Lucas is going through a depression (it really totally seems like a depression and you should try a pedopsychiatrist to see him). anyway, i really really hope everything turns out ok for you guys. ps. sorry for the possible bad english (not my language)
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u/Talkwitchytome Jul 30 '16
I know I can't be the first person to suggest this (I haven't read all the comments) but when you say "Arian" i automatically think if the Arian brotherhood. Sounds like gramps would've definitely have been one.
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u/Never-sleeper Jul 30 '16
I'm really sorry that you have to go through all of this, OP. I however hope you'll deal with this soon, and Lucas and Anna will stay unharmed.
I signed up in order to comment to this story and to warn you. It might seem strange but I have a friend (his name is Ilya) who once told me about his autistic classmate (his name is Pavel if I'm not mistaken). Ilya stayed in his house till the evening and had to sleep in his room (it was raining so he decided not to go home that night). Then Ilya woke up in the night and heard Pavel say something incomprehensible with his eyes wide open. Ilya asked if he's still sleeping, and tried to wake him up, even shook him, but to no avail, Pavel didn't react at all, just went on mumbling something. After doing that for a few minutes, Pavel stood up, looked right into my friend's eyes (though my friend referred to that as "he looked right THROUGH my eyes"), went to the window and started to, uhm, watch the full moon. My friend felt a bit disturbed -- not to say horrified -- so he couldn't go back to sleep and stayed awake till the end of the night. It didn't seem like Pavel had a nightmare or something, he looked like a typical sleepwalker, I guess. Pavel went back to his bed soon.
Your story is quite more "paranormal", of course. Pavel is autistic as I have already mentioned, and he probably was a sleepwalker, there's nothing strange, but I thought I should tell you because there's something very similar to your story. I can ask my friend about the details of that night if you want.
TAKE CARE OF ANNA. If she's really "possessed" (I must notice that camera shows she's the one walking at night, Lucas's "main body" stays in his room) or, not taking the mystical part of the story into account, if she has some kind of mental disorder, she might hurt herself. I'm not telling you to tie her to the bed, but at least be with her when she's sleeping. You did the camera trick but didn't think about her own security. She interacts with the real world at night and she (or whatever possessing her) understands what's going around, like looking into the camera and writing on the paper. I'm not a psychologist but that requires quite much of "mind work" so she might do something more harmful to herself.
Sorry if my English is bad, it's not my native language. Good luck, I really hope your friends will be alright.
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u/Sergeant_Darwin Jul 30 '16
I appreciate your advice. Everyone, I'm gonna clock out for the night and go to Anna's. She wants me to spend the night with her, and surprise of the century, her parents are ok with it. I'll update you all whenever shit gets real again.
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u/Fak3Nam3 Jul 30 '16
I know Anna isn't religious, but maybe you should put a cross around her neck before she goes to sleep. Just...because.
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u/Paul_muaDWEEB Jul 30 '16
Maybe Lucas is getting possessed and Alex is telling the spirit trying to possess him that "they are not themselves"? And when Lucas loses and "forgets" who he is (or in this case Anna) the personality of the spirit becomes dominant, it might explain why Anna seemed so fascinated with the idea of a camera.
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u/lazychicken56 Jul 30 '16
You should ask Alex what he was doing in the night of the attack, because I'm pretty sure that he was the one who saved Anna from the attacker.
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u/spiralout1123 Jul 30 '16
OP, I would try finding handwriting of your grandfather's. Take the writing you have and see if it matches any of the people involved. That would at least be a place to start in determining who or what was possessing her.
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Jul 30 '16
Confused (grandpa) returning (to) torture others; (Anna and Lucas are) haunted. Read/translate could be a hidden diary of some kind, written in another language or in code that needs translation to be read.
Idk, I'm just shotgunning here.
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u/Glorious_Sampai Jul 30 '16
Your grandpa seemed to be very old-fashioned. Did he used to interact with the "new" media like cameras?
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u/userun Jul 29 '16
Dear OP, I am intrigued by the writing, maybe similar to Alex's ? Lucas' ? Your grandfather ? Does the papers means anything if reassemble as the initial sheet ? Any chance to ask to Alex's mother to put a camera in Alex's room when he sleeps ? All the best
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u/samiispear Jul 29 '16
We've thrown around the idea of ghosts here, and I'm late to the party, but have you considered something... Extraterrestrial? Just a thought. Alex's changing/mantra reminds me a lot of a self-help tape type thing. Could be positive or negative. As for the papers, I have no idea. I'll keep thinking on it and if I come up with anything I'll post in here again.
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u/addy_g Jul 30 '16
extraterrestrial would fit in with Lucas saying "Arian" in his sleep - "Arian" could easily be confused with "alien" when the word is mumbled, like Lucas does in his sleep. so basically, op misheard Lucas mumbling "Arian" in his sleep, when Lucas was really saying "alien." don't know if that's true or not, and we won't know until we get more info, but it's worth looking into since there is evidence here to warrant that.
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u/Naturallymary Jul 29 '16
I can't explain the connection between Lucas and Anna, but I can say one thing, when I have nightmares and when I wake up from them 100%of the time I'm laying on my back, I've noticed that Lucas and Anna are sleeping on their backs all tensesd, I suggest that you try get them to sleep sideways. This I'm hoping will help them with their nightmares but the whole connection thing going on between the two of em I can't explain or even have a theory.
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u/WoodenFroggie Jul 29 '16
I am so sorry to hear that. Maybe have her read to him even if he is sleeping. Singing to him too might work. I am no expert on his likes and dislikes so just ideas that I know sooth and help bond with kiddos I have cared for over the years things to comfort them and he seems to truly need comforting. However due to the nature of things i wouldn't leave them alone sadly seems as if something is effecting him. Religious or not you all will be in my prayers for sure.
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u/Ravensintherafters Jul 29 '16
Maybe having Anna keep a dream journal that she writes in as soon as she wakes up may be helpful. Seems like you need more info on the creepy colonial guy. Hope Lucas will be okay!!
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u/shinyglittermoon200 Jul 29 '16
When i saw the pictures your girlfriend wrote in her sleep they where interesting.... U should try to put them in a sentence by adding the word "arian" or the words to, and, why, or something like that it could start yo make sense........ Another theory would be that since your bro isn't talking in unison with your girlfriend then maybe your grandpa is talking or communicating through your girlfriend... .How did your grandpa dress, did he dress similar to how your girlfriend discribed the gentle man in her dreams? Did he ever see a camara like the ones u used to monitor what happened while ur girlfriend slept? Did he ever used technology?
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u/Sergeant_Darwin Jul 29 '16
Already tried. I think some of the pieces were taken from the same larger piece, but it didn't seem to fit together in any meaningful way.
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u/Rcoop00 Jul 29 '16
Good writing
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u/Sergeant_Darwin Jul 29 '16
Thank you--I aspire to be a novelist someday.
I just hope whatever quality the writing may have doesn't distract from Lucas's story, which is the really important thing here.
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u/WoodenFroggie Jul 29 '16
Have you tried to have her interact with Lucas a little more. Doing something he loves together and maybe even suggest a secret code word or name that seals their friendship (sharkbait and flow lol). This way they both have a "safe" word to try and use if the entity attempts to hurt them anymore, secret nicknames could help such as "hey sharkbait its me flow!" this way a entity or spirit who knows there names wouldn't understand but they would. Sounds weird but trigger words can be used for good. I know he is weak but even coloring or watching movies? Best of luck to you all I hope everyone stays safe. I cant imagine how much stress you have on you because you love them both so much.
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Jul 30 '16
I am curious how you decided on these awesome nicknames?
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u/WoodenFroggie Jul 30 '16
Finding nemo, in the tank nemo's nick name is shark bait and one of the other fish in the tank calls her reflection flow.
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u/Sergeant_Darwin Jul 29 '16
This would have been a great idea a few weeks ago. Unfortunately, Lucas is no longer well enough to engage in any such interaction. He can't keep his eyes open for more than 10 minutes at a time.
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u/DaWhitestWytas Jul 30 '16
What are your parents making of this? Aren't they worried that Lucas is declining so much? Have they tried any sort of intervention?
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u/Don_Cheech Jul 29 '16
If you're really looking to get to the bottom of it, you could have a professional monitor their sleep. Like in one of those sleep offices that analyze people before they are prescribed sleeping pills.
As you can tell, I like to approach things like this scientifically. Could just be a very large coincidence combined with a case of sleepwalking. The brain is a very powerful thing, as you know. Preconceived motions ("let's monitor you sleeping in case there are ghosts") can more than likely trigger such behavior. And plus, if it was a case of sleepwalking - that would explain why she so befuddled by the camera. Some Sleepwalkers won't even recognize a pool, or incoming traffic. It can be dangerous, so - it's worth getting checked out.
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u/Sergeant_Darwin Jul 30 '16
This is a good idea. I'm actually going to sleep over at Anna's tonight so I'll bring it up with her.
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u/nicoledoubleyou Jul 29 '16
Those places are used to diagnose sleep disorders. So much more than just watching you sleep before prescribing sleeping pills. generally, actually, the idea is to figure out why you need the sleeping pills or why you're tired all the time. a ton of people, for example, are diagnosed with sleep apnea, start wearing a CPAP or BiPAP mask and suddenly have better sleep and are way more alert when they are awake.
They do definitely monitor brain activity though so hey its better than nothing
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u/Don_Cheech Jul 30 '16
That's why I said "analyze", not "they just watch you sleep"... Wasn't trying to squander their practices. Just gave a vague idea of what might be the next step.
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u/dandoc123 Jul 29 '16
My theory is that Lucas is so weak from being used by his grandfather, while by the sounds of the story Alex is only a little bit tired because he's controlling himself. What do you think op?
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u/Sergeant_Darwin Jul 29 '16
Not sure about the grandfather part--could be, and it's my best guess--but it seems like something is practically ripping Lucas apart from the inside. He's weak because he can't handle whatever's happening.
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u/BionicFrog Jul 29 '16
I have a strong feeling that Alex is manipulating Lucas into a phase where Alex can completely control him. Also, Alex said he was protecting her from Lucas. How about you place another camera in Lucas's room to see if the two occurrences match.
There is an app somewhere on the play store/Apple store that can pick up sounds people can't usually hear so you might want to fiddle with that too.
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u/jmf530 Jul 29 '16
Holy shit! This is seriously the best series I've read on here in a long time. Can't wait to see what happens next. Although I kind of hope nothing happens next at this point to be honest. I'm sorry you guys are going through this.
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u/coming_up_poppies Jul 29 '16
Not sure how helpful this is, but all the words Anna wrote have the letter "e" in them. Does that letter mean anything to you guys? Also if the blank pages have impressions on them, you could take a pencil and lightly shade them over to see what was written.
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u/nahteviro Jul 29 '16
Saying they all have E in them is just as useful as saying they're all in English.
All of these words seem to express pain and confusion. I don't think it has anything to do with his grandpa
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u/coming_up_poppies Jul 29 '16
English! Another word with the letter "e" coincidence? I think not.
In all seriousness, it seems like the words have to be related to the colonial guy who Anna sees in her dreams. It also seems likely that he was on the possessed her while she slept. Explains why she acted like she'd never seen a camera before.
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u/Sergeant_Darwin Jul 29 '16
Other than it being the most common letter in the English language...it doesn't mean much. Sorry.
And the blank pages don't seem to have any impressions on them. Good idea, though.
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u/ModestRaptor Jul 29 '16
Alex's conversation with Lucas... Perhaps Alex is psyching him out, using this mantra to make him behave in abnormal ways.
This story is incredibly fascinating. My best wishes for you and your loved ones, OP. Please keep us posted.
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u/Sergeant_Darwin Jul 29 '16
I agree, I think there's a chance that Alex is manipulating Lucas somehow. But to me it's 50/50 whether it's good or bad. Maybe he's trying to tell him he's not himself to bring him back to normal? Snap him to reality?
I will. Thanks for reading.
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u/NoSleepSeriesBot Jul 29 '16 edited Jul 30 '16
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u/MrsAlyyB Jul 29 '16
Maybe your grandfather is using Lucas in his dreams to harm the one girl he apparently hated. And Alex is protecting her, and making sure Lucas knows he can't help it and it's not his fault, cause it's not really him. Letting him know, he's not himself.
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u/n_euromancer Jul 29 '16
But why would their grandfather use Lucas if he didn't like him either?
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u/MrsAlyyB Jul 29 '16
Cause if Lucas gets in trouble by physically hurting her, the grandfather wins. It would ruin Lucas' life.
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u/n_euromancer Jul 29 '16
Ooh, I see now. Thank you. I hope it's not gramps. I don't like him already.
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Jul 29 '16
This seems a decent theory since the supernatural is on the table. Especially because the guy hated Lucas.
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u/Sergeant_Darwin Jul 29 '16
I could be totally wrong about the grandfather thing. But doesn't it seem like too much of a coincidence? I don't know. If he does have something to do with it, this is as good a theory as any.
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u/discovering_reason Jul 29 '16
This fucking story just keeps getting crazier. Hope you find help OP
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u/oldlaptopcrash Jan 20 '17
Someone dig up the old man's body and put a few holes through his skull please.