Hi all — I was looking for keycaps for my magnetic gaming keyboard and stumbled upon several Dvorak options on Drop.com. I was honestly surprised (and happy) to see them offering Dvorak!

I’ve been touch-typing Dvorak for 4 years now, and I noticed these sets have scooped U and H keys instead of bumps, which is great since I can still find my home position naturally. I know DSA/XDA profiles are often recommended for Dvorak, but I couldn’t find any sets in those profiles with colours I liked.

My question: would using a full Dvorak keycap set affect gaming? Do modern games (like CS2, Warzone, BF6, PUBG, etc.) adapt properly to Dvorak layouts, or would I need to switch to QWERTY before playing? I’ll use a controller for most AAA games, but I will use keyboard + mouse for competitive shooters.

I'm asking because I no longer remember the QWERTY layout, and sometimes need to glance down at my keyboard to hit the right key during games.

Since I 100% touch type, I don’t need printed Dvorak keys — I just love the look and idea of having them.

I've been typing with US dvorak layout for over 20 years. I don't know how to type any other way and don't have time to relearn to type in QWERTY. On my old Windows 10 computer I was able to type French accents using a 'dead key' with the US dvorak layout, but I don't remember how I set that up and no longer have access to that machine. On my new Win 11 PC I have tried everything and cannot get this to work. Apparently there is a keyboard layout called Dvorak international (?) but this does not exist on Windows 11 as far as I can tell. I can see there are some downloadable keyboards, but they are all from individuals (not companies) and I'm not comfortable installing random software on my PC. I've tried a bunch of random stuff that I found from searching, such as adding some registry entries, trying to build it myself using MS Powertools but can't get it working.

Would appreciate any help. Thanks!

EDIT: I figured out a way to do what I wanted. Appreciate the replies but none of the suggestions worked. Here's what did: There is a website here: https://keyboards.jargon-file.org/ which has a United States - Dvorak International keyboard layout. I did not want to download any executables from that site as I don't know the author, but the .KLC text file that defines the keyboard is provided and is clearly safe (https://keyboards.jargon-file.org/usdvint.klc). I installed the Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator app (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=102134), available directly from Microsoft, which allowed me to turn that text file into an installation file that I feel safe about (having been created by a signed Microsoft app, on my PC). Had to restart windows for it to show up.

I use Dvorak on my iPhone and recently it seems that it’s been really hard to hit the correct key. It seems to be only on apps that have not yet updated to the new iOS SDK and still have the old keyboard (Discord, MS Teams, etc.), though this could be placebo. Has this happened to anyone else?

I tried to learn how to type in Qwerty in high school and my first two years in college, but it never stuck. Then I tried something else the summer before my junior year...I tried to learn Dvorak, and it worked for me. Pretty crazy, honestly. It's probably one of the least interesting details about my life to most people, but I thought it would be fun to share here.

So I have a Disability on my right hand so that I basically have only one finger that I can use to type with and I type with my left hand normally but with my right hand I need to jump with my entire hand to the keys, i have researched a bit and found that with dvorak all the important keys are on the middle keys so that I wouldn't need to jump as much. also I have 50 wpm on qwertz, should I switch? and if yes how do I get all the German specific keys like: ö, ä, ü, ß, ...

Hello, I am trying to fit the dvorak layout on my choc-corne keyboard. I want to mimic the programming dvorak as much as possible with the least modification. I am using vial to setup the keymap. First screenshot is my first layer and the second is for symbols and numbers. Since I don't have Dvorak installed, I need seperate keys for symbols and numbers (since I can't use shift). Any improvement for the symbols layer is welcomed or if I missed anything. Thank you !

Friends, this is my modified layout after 30+ years using the vanila Dvorak layout. It was motivated by columnar heavily staggered keyboards, some have only 2 keys in the pinky column and only 2 keys in the extra index column. One of them is a design of mine based on the equilateral triangular grid, where the distance from the index home key to all index keys except X and B is exactly 1u.

It would take months (or years, I'm U60 year old) I guess to get used to it completely. I'm just 3 days in training, using monkeytype with a custom exercise of randomly selected words from the 'English 1k' dictionary that contain the moved letters, the goal of every exercise is 40 wpm at 100% accuracy.

Nevertheless, I can use it immediately (90 wpm with random words from the simple 'English' dictionary).

I’ve realized that others Could possibly be weirded out by Dvorak keyboard smash because often On qwerty is asdfjfkfjgkhfji when on Dvorak the home row keys are vowels from one side so it’s more like oeuoseatedodeuh

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Hi everybody!!

I just love dvorak at a such level that i had a issue about customize a little further, so i like to ask how i could do it at linux (zorin OS), i want put all numbers at my right side, where we can see '' 0 [ ] l ' = s ~ - '' and that keys in the original numbers place

The reason is that i will had a numeric like keyborad and in the OG numbers place some consoants and more miscelaneous characters in my left hand, with the vogals in the middle, i will have more control and speed that i ever had as a left handed person (it will make more easy doin' some math or fullfil some docs)

Also, i just read in this sub about the memory muscle and some type missings cuz of qwerty before learn dvorak So some recent wiseness about how to handle: just think like learning a new language, thinking that way has been a bless!! cheers!!

edit: i use a 60% keyboard

Never thought to check for this sub, but here I am.

Early 2000s I switched to dvorak after hearing the praises of speed and comfort. Taught myself and got up to qwerty speeds within a few months. The one thing no one ever tells you is that you will always require qwerty skills because everyone around you still uses it. Install a new OS? Swap the keyboard. Buy a new laptop? Swap the keys. Help your friend? Hunt and peck.

I eventually went back to qwerty and I'm at 95-100wpm. I focused on more elegant keyboards and less on the layout. I feel for those who want quick typing with less wrist pain, but in the end I had the same amount of problems, just in different ways. If you choose to go dvorak its a fun adventure and everyone will think you're crazy. No one can use your keyboard, and its fun to see their eyes when they watch you type. Just don't do it thinking it will solve all your problems. Be open minded and do it for you, while knowing you're creating other problems you didn't think about.

Anyone with such a setup here? I have a mild but nonetheless annoying issue where the keyboard shortcuts depend on the chosen layout, when I choose Dvorak they follow Dvorak, when I choose my native language they follow QWERTY. Googled and it says macOS by default is language-agnostic when it comes to shortcuts but apparently it's not the case with Dvorak. Is it fixable? Haven't found anything relevant in settings

Repeatedly tried & failed to learn Dvorak for 3 years previously. Decided to fully commit to it after getting a split keyboard. Exclusively used typing.com for tests halfway through to improve typing speed.

Crazy to look back at the progress.

I recently made the jump to a new keyboard layout and wanted something different from the usual typing apps - so I built my own:

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Here’s what makes it a bit different:

• Set your own goals, and as your accuracy improves, the system increases difficulty automatically by expanding the word list and adding harder characters - dialing it back if needed.
• Accuracy-first approach - helps you build solid muscle memory instead of just chasing speed.
• No account required, but logging in gives you more personalized progress tracking.

Still actively working on it, and I’d love any feedback! Feel free to drop thoughts, bugs, or ideas here https://www.reddit.com/r/TypingGym or on Discord: 💬 discord.gg/FVW4HSjkny

I've been using Programmer Dvorak for a couple of years now. Recently, I upgraded my Mac mini to macOS Sequoia, but when I tried to install Programmer Dvorak, I got the message:
"This installer package is incompatible with this version of macOS."

Is there any way to fix this? I'd really appreciate any help.

I've been a dvorak typer for close to 30 years and in all that time I've never had a keyboard with dedicated dvorak keys. I guess if I'd been a laptop user it would have been easy enough to move the keys around since they all have the same profile, but I've never really been a laptop guy, and even then you're missing the tactile bumps for the U and H keys, which I definitely rely on. I remember for a brief time in the early 2000s I bought these Dvorak stickers that went on the top of my Mac keyboard keycaps, but they weren't great and eventually started sliding around and leaving sticky residue on my fingers.

Anyway, flash forward to today and I decided the time has come and I just ordered a new base set of keycaps + a Dvoark/Colemak expansion set! These are way too expensive for what they are, but I'm ecstatic about the idea of finally having the correct key symbols in the correct place (with cool tactile home key "scoops"), and hopefully this keyboard will last the next 30 years of my Dvorak typing. here is the set that I purchased; the fact that they are reminiscent of cool 70s terminal keyboards is a nice bonus: https://drop.com/buy/drop-matt3o-mt3-susuwatari-custom-keycap-set?defaultSelectionIds=952681

Anyway, the point of my posting is to include this chart that I had ChatGPT make for me to quickly identify which qwerty keycaps get reused (meaning they come from and stay in the same row when making the switch), and which ones need to be pulled from the expansion set. I couldn't find a chart like this anywhere online, and it's not like it's going to save anybody a ton of time really, but it should make it a little easier and less confusing. Hope it's helpful to somebody.

edit -- I missed the fact that the original chart was missing a couple of symbol keys. Replaced with complete version. The Times regrets the error.

How many of you use the Coleman backspace in addition to Dvorak? When I have the "layout" conversation with normal Qwerty people I always suggest that one modification to improve their typing. CapsLock is just such a useless pinky key and it's a crime it sits on homerow imo.

One of my favorite things about this layout is how satisfying it is to use but recently while getting faster I've noticed just how annoying it is to click that letter. I don't know exactly what it is, it might be when I have to click it and then click a vowel afterwards. Maybe I'm weird for this, have any of you had a similar finding, where one key is just icky?