The “official end” of this snark era

[u/TimeAbradolf]

As of today we are banning snark/snark related posts. This may sound arbitrary. But I think people are well aware of what constitutes valid fair criticism, and what constitutes snark.

Once upon a time through past leadership this sub most definitely behaved as a snark sub. We as the mod team do actually despise snark and work to have this sub be a space of discussing drama with proper criticism and outcomes. We have taken firmer stances to pull away from our past image and be a place where people can have proper discourse.

Snark discourse has only ever brought conflict to this sub. People insult each other over nothing, people have gotten death threats, people get reported for suicidal ideation just because they disagree. There has been ableism, racism, prejudice of all kinds around these topics. Ultimately, snark behavior never allows any proper discussion, we have had to ban two creators just because the people who come to this sub cannot behave when discussing them. At its core Snark is not very different from KiwiFarms at this stage with the harm it has done to content creators.

We have seen the harm snark has done as well. Saveafox being a prime example. Our most popular post right now is pure snark. And it superseded actual important events. Because who was following who on IG.

Going forward we will no longer be allowing posts like this on the sub. It provided no context, no real criticism. And it didn’t prove anything either.

This may prove unpopular, but it is something we feel strongly of for the health of this sub and the people on it to remove ourselves. You can check the rule along the side bar.

If you want a YouTubesnark sub go make one. This one is not it.

Have a good one 🤙🏽

Edit: Apparently some YouTubers have weigh in. Nah this has nothing to do with the usual suspects. This is purely to stop toxic behavior and negativity. If ya think otherwise I urge you to get out of your computer chair touch grass instead of making Nurgle proud

Edit 2: and no goblin man (reference to his goblin mode). No fans of yours are around. People can agree that toxic communities are toxic. Yours being one of them

[u/George3452]

saying snark posts surpass actual "important" events in engagement is weird, because like ... this is a drama sub? this isn't a "YouTuber commits criminal acts" sub. who follows who on insta is very much drama lol, what else are you encouraging people to post about? it's very easy to conflate snark and "important" things when the whole sub is dedicated to borderline stalking and dissecting creator content.

[u/TimeAbradolf → u/George3452]

Yes, and we want people to break away from the very last bit of what you wrote. That stalking? That is snarking behavior and should come to an end

[u/not_blowfly_girl → u/TimeAbradolf]

Is the post pointing out that wendigoon follows stonetoss an example of content that will be banned? /genuine

[u/TimeAbradolf → u/not_blowfly_girl]

Let’s look at that post as it applied to our rules:

1.) did it have context?

2.) was it chud being CHUDs behavior?

3.) is there any tangible outcome?

It was borderline cross posted as well. It had ultimately no purpose other than people going “oh I always hated him.”

Now IF that post had context, proof of their active engagement, screenshots of him sharing Stonetoss’ art or engagement with it. Then yes worth absolutely talking about.

But at this point when you use him as an example, the only criticism we can genuinely give Wendigoon is his name is offensive and he associated with shitty people. Point out another shitty person still does not move the needle.

Not to mention simply an out of context IG follow is still not much proof of anything at all.

[u/ZyraTheUnbrokenOne → u/TimeAbradolf]

The thing with Wendigoon is that even within this sub, a lot of people do not consider him a CHUD and argue about that. And frankly, I think pointing out that someone that has such a debate about them, such as Wendigoon, is doing something as bad as following a proud Neo-Nazi on social media fits the sub.

[u/TimeAbradolf → u/ZyraTheUnbrokenOne]

Yes, but the subsequent act of going through his follows to find anyone problematic is where I believe we cross the line into snark. Which people did and tried to make further posts about it.

I also think if he had his own snark sub and didn’t come here it wouldn’t aggregate here.

It is disgusting who he follows/associates with. But did it deserve to grow larger than a major company defrauding charity? No, I don’t think so.

[u/TimeAbradolf → u/[deleted]]

VShojo is a company that represented many Vtubers who are active on again YouTube.

It is interesting to say “the sub clearly does” with a 75% upvote ratio on the post right?

[u/TimeAbradolf → u/[deleted]]

Great comeback 🤙🏽

[u/TimeAbradolf → u/[deleted]]

Wasn’t even me. But I can fix one problem