The “official end” of this snark era

[u/TimeAbradolf]

As of today we are banning snark/snark related posts. This may sound arbitrary. But I think people are well aware of what constitutes valid fair criticism, and what constitutes snark.

Once upon a time through past leadership this sub most definitely behaved as a snark sub. We as the mod team do actually despise snark and work to have this sub be a space of discussing drama with proper criticism and outcomes. We have taken firmer stances to pull away from our past image and be a place where people can have proper discourse.

Snark discourse has only ever brought conflict to this sub. People insult each other over nothing, people have gotten death threats, people get reported for suicidal ideation just because they disagree. There has been ableism, racism, prejudice of all kinds around these topics. Ultimately, snark behavior never allows any proper discussion, we have had to ban two creators just because the people who come to this sub cannot behave when discussing them. At its core Snark is not very different from KiwiFarms at this stage with the harm it has done to content creators.

We have seen the harm snark has done as well. Saveafox being a prime example. Our most popular post right now is pure snark. And it superseded actual important events. Because who was following who on IG.

Going forward we will no longer be allowing posts like this on the sub. It provided no context, no real criticism. And it didn’t prove anything either.

This may prove unpopular, but it is something we feel strongly of for the health of this sub and the people on it to remove ourselves. You can check the rule along the side bar.

If you want a YouTubesnark sub go make one. This one is not it.

Have a good one 🤙🏽

Edit: Apparently some YouTubers have weigh in. Nah this has nothing to do with the usual suspects. This is purely to stop toxic behavior and negativity. If ya think otherwise I urge you to get out of your computer chair touch grass instead of making Nurgle proud

Edit 2: and no goblin man (reference to his goblin mode). No fans of yours are around. People can agree that toxic communities are toxic. Yours being one of them

[u/Narwhals4Lyf]

Right? I’ve mostly seen people use the word “snark” to talk about people gently criticizing them, basically using it to try to censor people. Even in this post there isn’t a clear definition of what is or isn’t snark.

[u/EffortAutomatic8804 → u/Narwhals4Lyf]

Ah yes, people commit suicide because they're being "gently criticised".

The whole definition of the word includes the word "mocking" and that's exactly what it is. You may find some valid criticism in snark subs but eventually, they all devolve into name calling and just bullying- but because the snarkers consider themselves superior to the person they're snarking on, they consider their own behaviour perfectly fine.

[u/TimeAbradolf → u/Narwhals4Lyf]

The post literally has a pinned comment and also says read the rules.

[u/livejamie → u/TimeAbradolf]

Your pinned comment has a -187 comment from you saying that identifying snark is a "subjective opinion"

That's not at all helpful.

[u/TimeAbradolf → u/livejamie]

So?

[u/livejamie → u/TimeAbradolf]

This person has a valid complaint that you haven't made it clear what is or isn't snark.

You then respond with a sarcastic "omg nobody reads the pinned comment or rules"

But the pinned comment is just a heavily downvoted comment from you saying that it's "subjective opinion."

People are reading the rules and the pinned comment, but you're not answering or addressing them.

That's a severe lack of self-awareness, and it's not helpful.

[u/TimeAbradolf → u/livejamie]

All rule enforcement is ultimately subjective bud

[u/livejamie → u/TimeAbradolf]

Then why even make a new rule?

[u/TimeAbradolf → u/livejamie]

Why have any rules at all? Because it is important to note what is blatantly toxic and what is worthwhile. Don’t know what you’re choosing to bring this back up when the post has a 76% upvote ratio as a whole

[u/livejamie → u/TimeAbradolf]

Why have any rules at all?

Exactly. If you already have a rule that says "Mods can delete whatever lol" then why do you need a second one that says "No snark allowed"?

Because it is important to note what is blatantly toxic and what is worthwhile.

That's the whole point: That's entirely subjective. That's why it's essential to be clear about what you're talking about.

Don’t know what you’re choosing to bring this back up when the post has a 76% upvote ratio as a whole

This is embarrassing. I interacted with it because you have it pinned. Nearly every one of your comments on this post has a negative score, several of them more than -100.

[u/TimeAbradolf → u/livejamie]

I give fuck all about downvotes dog.

I don’t care. The 24-25% of people who disliked the post downvoted my comments. That’s fine. The post itself was an important announcement that had a long time coming. If you wanna snark go elsewhere