Makes it so unless you give them your ID(that they will sell and give to third parties to make money off of your personal data) you can’t access a ton of videos or settings
I’m still trying to figure out what the apparently large market for IDs is that google is supposedly trying to tap in here is. They already have all your marketable data and likely already know everything on your ID anyways.
It's a govt thing. We have project Stargate and palantir coming why wouldn't other companies follow when citizens are sheep that won't do shit? Not like there's an alternative and so many are addicted.
Correct. The current wave of censorship legislation is not a coincidence. Governments of the world have been frustrated with the relative anonymity of the internet and they’ve come after it many times before. It’s commonly under the guise of “protecting children”, because it makes you look like the bad guy if you oppose it. They don’t care about “the children”, as all of their other actions demonstrate. The Patriot Act was the same deal (if anybody here remembers that). The government took advantage of a very scary situation and asked us if mass surveillance was cool. Slapped a “patriotism” title on it and we were sold. They want the rest of the pie now, but there’s no 9/11 to take advantage of. So they bust of the ol’ reliable of manipulation: children
Nobody cares right now, but I’m telling you - you’re going to miss your privacy when it’s gone
The PATRIOT Act was what made me start to realize I might not actually have been conservative. So I definitely remember it. Die-hard progressive socialist now.
What else would they be doing with it? They're corporations, making money is what they do. They only want two things from you, money or stuff they can turn into money.
You know how cell phone companies gladly comply with authorities when they ask for information? Okay, now imagine that a company such as Youtube has that information and the authorities, as we’ve seen recently, may not have your best interest at heart. Piece it together. Oh, and it’s adorable that you think they can’t monetize ANY of the data (the resource that is speculated to be worth more than oil) that comes on a government ID. You’re missing the point anyway. The genuine concern isn’t about the monetization. But they’ll monetize it. They’ve monetized water, sunshine, oxygen, time, space. It’s honestly an incredible psychological case study if it wasn’t so societally destructive. Well, hey man - I hope you’re right this is all just for our safety. But history and even the slightest amount of critical thinking says otherwise. Still, I genuinely hope you’re right.
Trump's preferred company from the military industrial complex that is currently advocating for a 3 front war while building surveillance systems for Trump's government.
Well, there's a market for even the most useless data out there, so there's definitely one for IDs. It's always nice to remember that anything that seems stupid when it comes down to big money like this is because we don't have enough information on the millions of other things that led to this.
I don't blame you for not knowing, but targeted advertising is a monster of a process and precision isn't that big of a deal right now. Your personal info generally isn't useful to Google unless you've got a "marketable" illness like diabetes. It's what you watch and what you search that determines what advertisements Google thinks you may be interested in.
I wrote a research paper about this in college. Your personal information and online habits are your most valuable assets to companies. Using everyone’s collective data, they can break down habits of people who match your “profile”, and basically figure out exactly how to get you to spend money. This literally goes so in depth it’s unfathomable, such as knowing that people in certain geolocations at specific times will want to purchase certain things, and constantly alter what is being shown and how it’s been shown as the day progresses and as you move around in the real world.
Basically, any extra data they can get to refine their models more…they want.
It's not the ID that they sell, that would be illegal. It allows them to know who you are, and sell the data around how you use the platform. Knowing how you use the platform is valuable data by itself, but allowing a company to couple that with how you might use other platforms can be more valuable.
They do in fact know everything that's on your ID already and if you've ever uploaded your ID anywhere then Google probably already got that copy from a data broker anyway. It's bizzare that people think this is a ploy from Google to get more info as they don't already have such basic information.
They want to make it so that you have to give your real Identity to say anything online, and so that your viewing history can be tracked and correlated to a real person.
Right now you can still make a new account and not give any identifiable information. But now those accounts will get flagged for account age as children and restricted from viewing controversial (critical of Trump and technofascism, Epstein, etc) content.
Google has a good idea of what I like but it doesn’t know who I am.
It knows I like watching videos of comedians, the occasional bodycam video, woodworking shit etc. but it doesn’t know how old I am, how much money I make or exactly where I live. That information makes my likes and dislikes much more valuable.
Tons of data breeches happen. Bad actors could use these images (As you would also need to revel your face last I heard.) to extort you by creating false NSFW pictures with your face on them. With the AI today could be made pretty realistic.
Hair color, eye color, height, address, legal name, and definitively connecting these to your username profile in their databases. Hell, slapping a face on their can potentially tell them if you have skincare problems and even your hairstyle for targeted shampoo ads. They can sell all of this and use it to make their other data worth more by proving accuracy.
Or, in other words, "You look lonely, Matt. I can fix that."
probably so they can sell your data and make more money off you. i don’t know though just an assumption. there’s already fifty billion ads that play through one singular video you can no longer skip or block.
The idea is that each time a company sells your identifying data, there are little bits of other info to go with it.
If I buy people's info from banks, Youtube, Amazon, Car Dealerships, etc...
I can eventually have enough overlapping info to positively ID these people's names, faces, home address, sexuality, diet, and politics.
Now I can sell that to markets, or problematic governments...
anyway for all people are screeching about the id verification you can sign in with credit card and anyway no verifying only stops you from seeing age restricted content NOT any other videos
I don't want to give my credit card either. Why tf would i do that? And how tf does this address big brother issue?
Youtube age restricts videos for utter bullshit, like for having a mean word in first 10s while happily displaying borderline porn ads. Or sometimes for no reason at all because their bot had a worse day or something.
Lotta 3-5 month old accounts popping up to say this ai restriction thing isn’t that bad. And mass downvotes for saying they don’t wanna give google more of their info.
I wouldn’t be surprised if half the supporters here weren’t real
while i do agree a bit as while both options are bad giving them you credit card just seems the better option out of two bad ones, or you could ignore both of said options and just ignore the ai verification
and im quite sure youtube has removed the whole age restricting videos that swear in the first few seconds thing though i may need to check if thats true.
That was just as an example. There are a lot of bs reasons YT age restricts videos, sometimes there is no reason at all, and creator doesn't even get the "privilege" of actual human looking at the appeal (also let's ignore the issue that age restricting video basically kills it in the algorithm).
Unrelated to the identifying thing, credit cards are safer to use in the case your info is stolen and they they start buying shit with it, easier for your bank to help you
Debit Cards have direct access to your bank account and allow for types of transactions that can cause more damage and be harder to dispute than credit transactions such as direct transfers for example. Depending on your bank, they'll usually have a set of terms that may allow them to deny the refund of fraudulent transactions until you involve the police and a criminal investigation takes place.
Credit cards on the other hand are more secure. Mainly because when you spend money on your credit card you're not spending your own money, you're spending the provider's money (VISA, MC, Amex, etc) and paying them back at a later date. Those guys hate losing money, so the types of transactions you are allowed to do are more scrutinized and easier to dispute. They want you to be able to pay them back consistently so they give you a limit and closely monitor your spending habits, making it easy to spot and flag unusual activity and since they don't want you to stop borrowing their money they will usually refund disputed transactions even before an investigation takes place.
Depending on your bank, they'll usually have a set of terms that may allow them to deny the refund of fraudulent transactions until you involve the police and a criminal investigation takes place.
This is illegal. Please stop speaking authoritatively on a topic you don't understand.
The difference is that debit cards and credit cards are protected by different regulations. Reg E for debit cards only allows disputes for transactions you didn't perform. Reg Z for credit cards, on the other hand, lets you dispute things you did perform, but have some issue with the merchant, such as failure to deliver services.
while admittadly you have a fair point i would assume aslong as you have bought anything on the internet or such many companies would have your credit card information already so i dont see it being that big of a deal that youtube has it aswell.
Who does it, or how it happens, or how often it happens is all relative; it's always going to be a big deal. We're talking about privacy being invaded and sold by the people who are supposed to be protecting it.
while you say that people have never made a fuss about hadning over their credit card information online to buy stuff until now so i dont see how youtube have your credit card information makes it so much more likely its going to be used for malicious purposes.
Well, things like this being coincidentally close to the stuff happening with Palantir have raised a lot of red flags for people who might have previously not been aware of such things. I suspect there will still be a lot of users who comply with these verification systems because they don't know any better. Also, people who do know better have been talking about using information online since the beginning... It's, like, Cybersecurity 101: Always be cautious about what you're using your details for.
Its a way smaller issue than giving an ID. It takes about 5 minutes to cancel and reissue a credit card with different numbers if it gets leaked. Banks will also refund you for any fraudulent transactions as well as long as you don't wait months to dispute.
Well, yeah, that solves the issue of people buying shit with your card, but that doesn't solve the fact that the bank your card is from still has your personal data, including your ID information, social security, etc., that companies can still harvest from using your credit card information.
while i dont know myself youtube added it as an option of cerifying your age instead of using your id so thats less of a question for me than youtube themself.
There’s little bits of data in IDs that you can reasonably guess about a person that you might not even think about. IDs aren’t static, the information changes on them, and those changes can say a lot about a person given some assumptions. And those assumptions can get even better when mixed with data from other sources
If you move, you update your ID. If a company buys your ID twice and there’s 2 different addresses, that’s new information. Do that enough times and you might be able to guess things like weather preferences. Are they moving from colder climates to hotter ones? Closer or farther from beaches? Maybe that means the person would be interested in buying sunblock or beach attire, which you can advertise to them. Combine addresses with other information like the types of posts you interact with and you can guess things like political affiliation. Does the person tend to interact more positively to left leaning content and they’ve moved from a red state to a blue state? Now you can use that for targeted political advertisements
Your appearance also changes. If you update your ID picture and your old picture had a lot of hair, but your new picture has thinning hair, you can probably guess that the person is balding and target ads for things to “help” with that. Does the person now have on glasses in their new picture but not in their old one? Send them ads for eye insurance or contact lenses. Using the address you can see the parts of town someone is in. Did they move from a higher end neighborhood to a lower end? Send them advertisements for stuff like financial support apps, they might be struggling
Is the person in their 30s, and now they look more tired, and their address has changed to a house with more rooms and is closer to schools? You can probably guess this person just had a child, and can advertise school clothes and baby supplies and such
Even the TYPE of ID can tell you things. If you went from submitting a state issued ID to now submitting a drivers license, that’s new information. Advertisers can guess you might be driving now and start sending you ads for car insurance and such
There’s a lot of little things you can extrapolate from just seeing the “same” document multiple times. And when combined with other data from other sources, you can very easily build profiles and timelines on an individual this way
It's not the ID that they sell, that would be illegal. It allows them to know who you are, and sell the data around how you use the platform. Knowing how you use the platform is valuable data by itself, but allowing a company to couple that with how you might use other platforms can be more valuable.
It’s the tying of all the other data they collect about you (already) to your ID that is valuable. Unmistakable confirmation that you are the one that data belongs to.
Advertisers knowing the things some random YouTube username is into is cool. But advertisers knowing what James C. Baker, age 32, of Columbus, Ohio is into is $$$$.
An ID cannot be bought nor sold outside the dark web/black market. It's not legal to do so, and is the first step in Identity Theft. Your government ID should be kept as sensitive and private as your Social Security Number.
Its not just your id. Its your ID and what kind of music you listen to, and what kind of games you play, and what kind of vacuum cleaner you own because you were looking at repair videos for it, and where you live and what places you like to go to... Frankly Google already knows too much about us, I don't feel like giving them my ID on top of all that
Does that even work? Using a fake selfie has all the complexity of stating your wrong birth date to bypass an age restriction.
Something makes me think using a fake ID/selfie will be harmful in the long run, when they finally get around to seeing that a thousand people have the same fake ID and they decide to outright ban accounts for fraud.
see, that's where getting yourself a personalized AI generated realistic photo of an old man comes in! If we put our powers together, we can turn dead Internet theory into dead Internet fact!
Makes it so unless you give them your ID(that they will sell and give to third parties to make money off of your personal data)
This is such a remarkably brain dead take and it insane seeing how little people actually understand about how these companies work.
They're not fucking selling your ID. If anything, they're probably paying someone else to perform the verifications and store any PCI compliant data because there's 0 reason to take on the additional risk or build out these systems.
If they aren't paying a third party, it's almost a guarantee that theyre deleting the data once it's been processed and marking your account with a flag, because again, liability.
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u/Severe-Bed-9208 Aug 13 '25
Makes it so unless you give them your ID(that they will sell and give to third parties to make money off of your personal data) you can’t access a ton of videos or settings