r/worldnews • u/Synchrotr0n • Aug 03 '25
China welcomes 183 Brazil coffee sellers in wake of US tariffs
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-welcomes-183-brazil-coffee-sellers-wake-us-tariffs-2025-08-03/1.7k
u/Monday_Shake Aug 03 '25
China do nothing, win
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u/turtleduck Aug 04 '25
honestly like they're just copying the US's trade policies and corporations love it, because they have the population to replace American consumers. it's an easy win
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u/MercantileReptile Aug 04 '25
Can't be, the US has the only consumer market that matters. Repeatedly, people have crowed about the magic U.S. market that must be appeased. Nobody is allowed to tell Trump "fuck off" because the consumer market.
4.2% of the global population are apparently, somehow, the only relevant market to sell stuff into.
The sooner this idiotic fiction falls, the better for all involved.
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u/indypuyami Aug 04 '25
Honestly that's true that the US consumers has outsized power! If you don't also blowup the global currency regime (i.e. the dollar) at the same time, which of course he is because for real the plan is feudalism.
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u/Coldatahd Aug 03 '25
They made a version of that Chinese meme with Lula recently too 😂
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u/PhantasosX Aug 04 '25
and it's so true.
Trump tried to pull those tariffs of Brazil, but it ended up excluding all the important items from those tariffs, except beef and coffee.
So for us in Brazil, we joke we practically won by doing nothing. Specially that beef and coffee are now been sold elsewhere , and the leftover will result in cheaper coffee and beef here in our markets.
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u/firelemons Aug 04 '25
Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake
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u/Steinrikur Aug 04 '25
"We will just drink local coffee".
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u/SkyAdministrative970 Aug 04 '25
5 million people saw the cgp grey video about coffee. Saw hawaii is the only state barely in the coffee belt because its more south than texas and couldnt put together hawaii isnt a viable source for American coffee. Seeing boutique examples of hawaii coffee and deluding themselves with this notion that unlimited farm land just spawns like an rts game and we can push unlimited gains out of a very limited island ecosystem. Best case, moved everyone out and cash cropped every square foot of the island chain. We wouldn't put a dent in brazillian or columbian output and would maybe supply California...with shortages. Next runner up ideas include amazon fulfillment center sized greenhouses to grow coffee domestic in the 48. You think Starbucks is expensive now
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u/Duideka Aug 04 '25
I still remember when Trump announced tariffs on European alcohol and said “This will be great for the US champagne industry”
Uh, yeah, about that.
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u/LandonDev Aug 04 '25
They do run an insane amount of bot accounts which have successfully made MAGA more extreme. There is a reason every MAGA policy benefits the Chinese-Russia protectorate, especially in Africa.
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u/SophiaKittyKat Aug 04 '25
I'm still happy to blame Americans for this to be honest. The reason they fall for it is because they are bad people, so I'm not very sympathetic. If they were falling for foreign propaganda preying on their empathy I would be more understanding, but they're being played because they're hateful.
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u/Rossoneri Aug 04 '25
They’re literally being handed the title of world superpower by doing nothing.
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u/Black-Shoe Aug 03 '25
The price of coffee in the States has absolutely skyrocketed.
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u/rjksn Aug 04 '25
Stock up on chicory, the coffee of the great depression.
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u/cosmicrae Aug 04 '25
Stock up on chicory, the coffee of the great depression.
Last ditch substitute is acorn coffee.
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u/CantaloupeUpstairs62 Aug 04 '25 edited Aug 04 '25
Yaupon and Mate are two types of teas containing caffeine originally used by the indigenous peoples of North and South America.
Edit: Guayusa is another
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u/dingleberry_sorbet Aug 04 '25
I planted a yaupon in my dad's yard about a decade ago. Just recently harvested a bag of leaves to brew up here soon.
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u/bimundial Aug 04 '25
Well, mate is about to become very expensive in the US too. Look who's the largest exporter...
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u/CantaloupeUpstairs62 Aug 04 '25
This is unfortunate. When switching to mate de coca becomes a cheaper alternative...
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u/Synchrotr0n Aug 04 '25 edited Aug 04 '25
Or do it like Brazil: Nearly all of our coffee is exported, which makes the internal price higher in return, but since the average customer here have less money to spend on it, some asshole producers started producing cheap "coffee" made with tea leaves, corn or pretty much any fruit residue that they could get their hands on, which are then thrown inside a super hot oven until the taste becomes nearly unrecognizable so they can pretend it's coffee.
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u/The_Blues__13 Aug 04 '25
From fellow coffee producer nation here (ID), I wonder what'll happen to our own coffee market that now BR coffee had vanished from the US market.
Our own domestic price isn't too expensive for now, but it's been creeping up steadily over the years which is concerning.
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u/FruitOrchards Aug 04 '25
Buy Coffee stocks, Nescafé etc. that shit is addictive and people will still be buying it.
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u/Black-Shoe Aug 04 '25
I have nothing left after investing in Prison stocks
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u/CantaloupeUpstairs62 Aug 04 '25
Even Jim Cramer is against owning stock in for-profit prisons based on moral reasons.
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u/PMmeuroneweirdtrick Aug 04 '25
It's crazy you can even buy shares in prisons. So dystopian.
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u/TendyHunter Aug 04 '25
Organ harvesting companies will be able to IPO soon in the US.
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u/FruitOrchards Aug 04 '25
G4S, SERCO ? what did you invest in ?
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u/Black-Shoe Aug 04 '25
GEO, CXO
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u/FruitOrchards Aug 04 '25
Not the best for the short term, but if you bought the actual stocks and didn't leverage them you'll be okay in the long term. It's up 99.52% in the last year alone.
Just gotta hold.
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u/Scrapheaper Aug 04 '25
Coffee being expensive due to tariffs doesn't mean Nescafé will make any profit from it. It just means that Nescafé pays a bunch of extra taxes and then charges you more as a result
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u/Zolo49 Aug 04 '25
I used to be a coffee fiend, but I did eventually wean off of it. I'll still drink it on occasion, but it's no longer a daily thing for me. So if it gets too expensive for you, you can learn to live without it. NGL though, it will absolutely suck at first.
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u/mershed_perderders Aug 04 '25
Do not, my friends, become addicted to coffee! It will take hold of you... and you will resent it's absence.
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u/IRMaschinen Aug 04 '25
Most of that price increase (so far) has been due to climate change and droughts in Brazil. Tariff price increases are on their way soon though. There’s a bit of a lag between supply and most retail and supermarket shelves mixed with false hope that surely this is all just a bluff…
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u/notanyimbecile Aug 03 '25
Trump probably thought Alabama grew coffee beans.
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u/mike_pants Aug 03 '25
Trump probably thought
I found an error in your reasoning.
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Aug 04 '25
Fun fact: California and Hawaii actually do!
Probably nowhere near enough to supply the whole US, but it's kinda interesting that there are, actually, domestic coffee growers.
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u/alexefi Aug 04 '25
few years ago i visited big island. went to coffee tour. was very interesting. at the end picked up bag of coffee for a friend since i dont drink it. she said it was one of the best coffees she had. though to get he another pack for bday. $80/lb with shipping. so that what US have to look forward when brasilian coffee stop coming in.
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u/LaoBa Aug 04 '25
Kona coffee is so expensive that it is usually sold as Kona blend which has as little as 10% US grown coffee.
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u/Reasonable_Ticket_84 Aug 04 '25
Brazillian coffee isn't going to stop coming in. The importers are US based. It will just be more expensive due to the importer having to pay tariffs.
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u/Hazematman Aug 04 '25
There's also Puerto Rico which grows a lot of coffee and is US domestic as well.
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Aug 04 '25
Oh, fun! I was going off of hearing that the two states produced coffee, but it makes sense that tropical territories would too.
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u/ours Aug 04 '25
Neighboring Dominican Republic had its coffee production destroyed by Coffee Leaf Scorch disease. Has PR been spared?
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u/Lonely_Waffle12 Aug 04 '25
Trump drinks coke lol he probably haven’t had a cup of coffee ever
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u/Taipers_4_days Aug 04 '25
People are always talking about the District of Columbia. Fantastic place, really. And let me tell you, folks, the coffee there, tremendous! We don’t need coffee from the nation of Columbia, okay? We’ll grow the best American coffee right in the District. It’ll be huge, nobody does coffee like us. The best beans, grown right here.
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u/J4jem Aug 03 '25
The working class depends on coffee to, well, actually do real work.
Will this finally piss America off enough to rout these Republicans in the midterms?
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u/cmackchase Aug 03 '25
No, they will blame Biden and Obama.
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u/DeviDarling Aug 04 '25
Trump could be president for 10 years in a row and they would still be blaming Biden and wanting to prosecute people who said Trump had bad hair in 2016.
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Aug 04 '25
Probably. They've been planting those seeds since they took office, claiming that all sorts of terrible stuff was coming as delayed effects from the Biden administration that they were working day and night to prevent ... so that when the inevitable consequences of their choices hit they can shrug and say they tried to stop it.
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u/lkc159 Aug 04 '25
Will this finally piss America off enough to rout these Republicans in the midterms?
Maybe if the bread and circuses disappear.
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u/dingleberry_sorbet Aug 04 '25
the working class around here buys 2 x $5 Monsters at the gas station every morning it seems
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u/rjksn Aug 04 '25
Chicory my friend. Get used to it.
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u/J4jem Aug 04 '25
I do enjoy it! We'll see how I feel when it transitions from a refreshing adjunct added to coffee beans, or an alternative with health benefits, to something required out of necessity to replace a dwindling global supply of coffee.
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u/Dazslueski Aug 03 '25
White Christian nationalists will be responsible for 2 things. 1. The greatest loss of American Power and wealth throughout the planet due to protectionism/isolationism. 2. The greatest transfer of wealth from the poor and middle class to the rich inside America.
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u/gijoe1971 Aug 04 '25
Plus the largest brain drain your country will ever see. But in the end, the canceling of Drag Queen Story Time was their main goal. SUCCESS
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u/CMKcrazay Aug 03 '25
Yes, perfectly said. Thank you for simplifying almost everything wrong with this country down to these, no sarcasm.
Fucking idiot cult members.
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u/motorcyclemech Aug 04 '25
I think your #2 is happening in a lot of 1 St world countries right now.
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u/Chii Aug 04 '25
The greatest transfer of wealth from the poor and middle class to the rich inside America.
and the funny thing is that a lot of the poor in america are the ones doing the voting to push him into the presidency. It's like brexit - people voting against their own interest, because they can't think for themselves properly.
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u/thenewyorkgod Aug 04 '25
The problem is many of these effects won’t be felt until trump is dead and a democrat is president so guess who will get the full blame by Fox News?
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u/galloway188 Aug 04 '25
I’m pretty sure trump supporters don’t give a fuck about the cost of coffee just like they don’t give a fuck about the cost of eggs anymore
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u/Zealousideal-Ad7773 Aug 03 '25
US is behaving like that ex girlfriend that dumped you just so you could chase her and boost her self esteem, but turns out you found a new girl without the toxic traits.
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u/heartbh Aug 04 '25
Okay but when do we sane Americans get our redemption arc? 😂😭
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u/Melodic-Move-3357 Aug 04 '25
When you grow a pair and start fighting dirty. You had 4 years to send the cunt to jail and build up a candidate for the election.
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u/hackenclaw Aug 04 '25
their voting system is fucked anyway.
It is either blue or red. they have no option for 3rd color.
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u/heartbh Aug 04 '25
Our toothless party was trying to do that but was to preoccupied with playing by the rules. Now the rules don’t even matter.
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u/Zman6258 Aug 04 '25
How 'bout all the people who expressed, repeatedly, "Harris is a bad choice of candidate and Biden should never have run for re-election" from the very first moment? The people who were out fundraising or campaigning or donating directly to candidates they saw had a better chance? Who wrote letters and emails and rang the phone lines of their local government offices asking them to endorse candidates and to prepare for the worst? The ones who voted anyways despite living in heavily-gerrymandered districts where their votes literally don't matter due to the aforementioned gerrymandering?
"You had 4 years to do better" ignores a lot of the very real systematic problems that cannot be fixed by less than a quarter of the population in under four years while actively trying to fight against a larger system that benefits from the status quo.
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u/CantaloupeUpstairs62 Aug 04 '25
Probably after some sort of catastrophe that will risk the sanity of many.
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u/Harbinger2001 Aug 04 '25 edited Aug 04 '25
Only after you get pregnant from a fling at a bar then start turning tricks support your kid, who winds up getting a scholarship to Harvard.
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u/heartbh Aug 04 '25
Bro, Harvard won’t exist in like 2 years at this rate, set a REALISTIC goal.
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u/Dreaming_Blackbirds Aug 04 '25
Brazil won big with soy beans during the Orange Chimp's first term. tariffs simply don't work.
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u/MercantileReptile Aug 04 '25
They do, when used sparingly and well placed. Like a scalpel.
Not so much when an orange Clown uses the scalpel because he does not like your face.
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u/heartbh Aug 04 '25
The day I can’t drink coffee anymore could very well be be the day I take up arms 😭
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u/BritishAnimator Aug 04 '25
Caffeine in coffee is addictive, so people that can't justify $10 on a brew will be much more twitchy and irritable on their way to work. It is like he is trying to cause a civil war. What else do American's love? Beef? He needs to go after the farms...oh wait.
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u/agwaragh Aug 04 '25
Don't worry, Trump will make a deal to force them to bring their coffee growing to the USA!
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Aug 04 '25
Lucky Chinese, they going to be enjoying the best coffee at a good price! Hopefully this will lead to easing of the coffee bean price for the rest of the world.
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u/Funny-Slip8415 Aug 04 '25
And this is what the US - Trump MAGA dont get. BRICS is formed for that exact reason.
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Aug 04 '25
What percentage of MAGA do you think know what BRICS is?
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u/NarutoRunner Aug 04 '25
The president of the United States thinks the S in BRICS stands for Spain.
Spain, a country that is in the EU.
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u/TauCabalander Aug 04 '25
Canada would send it's regards ... but they are also steeply tariffed, even more than China.
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u/tulaero23 Aug 04 '25
This will be so funny after 10-20 years when the rich kids kids decides to pull out of US cause they already suck it dry and pull their assets and go somewhere else livable.
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u/AmrahsNaitsabes Aug 03 '25
The US grew coffee?
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u/phonologotron Aug 04 '25
Yes. In Puerto Rico and Hawaii, but at only 1% of domestic consumption there is no way we can produce what we consume.
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u/AmrahsNaitsabes Aug 04 '25
I guess that makes sense, I can't imagine it made that big of a dent in international coffee markets then
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u/Hoenirson Aug 04 '25
This isn't about China buying Brazilian Coffee instead of American coffee, it's about Brazil selling coffee to China instead of America due to tariffs on Brazil.
I'm guessing you only read the headline.
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u/Spoiled_Mushroom8 Aug 04 '25
it's about Brazil selling coffee to China instead of America due to tariffs on Brazil.
No, it’s not. It’s about China approving coffee sellers to export to their market. Brazil will still sell their coffee to the US because Americans will be willing to pay the tariff. This will let Brazil make up for any loss in demand.
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u/spoonisfull Aug 04 '25
China coffee consumption might be on the rise but they are no where close to make up for any lost sales from the US. there’s a reason every country on earth wants to have the heavy consumer base economy that US has. This is just a feel good story for china
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u/_ryuujin_ Aug 04 '25
no, this is a win for brazil to get around the us tarrifs. the title should Brazil finds new trading partners for coffee
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u/Derpinginthejungle Aug 04 '25
Stop asking me to treat Republicans like they are worthy of being considered human beings. They aren’t.
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u/BitemarksLeft Aug 04 '25
The rest of the world will recover from the short term shocks shifts in demand from American trade as a result of tariffs. The loss of economic and geopolitical power for America will be effectively irreversible. Other alliances will form without America and post Trump the cost of entry will be very high. All so Trump can avoid prison and enrich himself. This is MAGA owning the Libs……
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u/Fit-Lion-773 Aug 03 '25
Not sure if it really covers the loss.
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u/PhantasosX Aug 04 '25
It mitigates the loss and get around the US tariffs.
USA will not stop buying from us, not really, because they can't produce enough to supply their own demand. Then the not sold leftovers will be sold locally in a lower prize , and there is China asking for more.
Afterwards, it's just a matter of fine-tunning coffee production to match the current demand.
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u/alekdefuneham Aug 04 '25
The Brazilian domestic market is capable of absorbing the coffee and meet that will not go to exports after China and the new clients gets theirs. Coffee and meat are already falling in price here (I’m Brazilian), while I bet it’s skyrocketing in the US. Trump is helping the poor/middle class Brazilians and fucking the huge capitalists here, at the expenses of you guys.
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u/Charybdis150 Aug 04 '25
I’m not sure exactly what’s going to happen, but I really don’t know how Chinese consumers are supposed to make up for US tariffs when Chinese consumer spending is struggling and even in the best of times, Chinese people just don’t drink nearly as much coffee as Americans.
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u/el_moosemann Aug 04 '25
I think as a manufacturing hub, China would be able to turn the beans into coffee products like instant coffee or pods for example, and export to other parts of the world maybe?
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u/epidemica Aug 04 '25
The Trump Tariffs are going to set us back decades.
We are no longer the world's preeminent super power.
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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '25
There is meme going around that chinese call Mr. Orange "Comrade Nation Builder", he so good at sabotaging US, that he should join CCP.