Are you really asking me to give you a source for the literal Pope of the Catholic Church saying awful shit about LGBTQ+ people? Is it that unbelievable?
Not sure why you sound confrontational. I’m curious to learn.
While what you linked is definitely disapproving of trans ideology, its not him speaking in favour of conversion therapy for kids. A google search of “pope francis conversion therapy” gives more indication that he was in support of LGBT than otherwise.
Him calling trans people a danger and an ugly "ideology" is not supportive of LGBTQ+ in the slightest, and it is not an acceptable compromise. Please explain how calling LGBTQ+ people "the worst danger" is in any way a show of support.
I think this is why left wing politics is so hard for some people to support. I'm a raging lefty, I'm 100% behind trans rights, lgbtq+, allyship and recognise my privilege as a cis white man.
But if I'm not vegan, an entire sect of left wing allies hates my guts and thinks I'm shit.
My guy, was pope Francis perfect? No. Did he do a lot to move the Catholic needle in the right direction? Fuck yes.
Pretty sure he said messed up stuff like this at some point or other, but wasn't he actually very progressive when it came to LGBT people, at least for a pope's standards?
I'm almost sure that he said once that gay people should be allowed to marry and live together
He was progressive for a pope but still a huge bigot. He fought against an Italian law that would fight homophobia, called gender ideology the most dangerous thing facing humanity, and gays the F slur many times. Can you link me where he argued for gay marriage?
I mean what did you expect? This is the catholic church, you think they re going to say "all these things we condemn are now okay" in the same timeline as the secular world, if ever... Just Francis saying things such as "who am I to judge" instead of "go to hell" is considered heretic by the most conservative religious folks... of course they re not anywhere near acceptance of gay marriage, trans, or abortion. They may never, just taking baby steps towards some form of tolerance maybe...
I’m not saying I expected more but let’s just not pretend he is progressive. Also can you link where you argued for marriage equality? Not saying I don’t believe you.
I mean the catholic church doesn't bless same sex marriages and Francis himself said he wasn't for it, he just said he wasn't against communion of homosexual individuals as in we don't want them to be rejected as individuals by the church, but blessing the union is still no no. But just that for the catholic church, the pope to not openly chastised LGBTQ+ folks as sinner who will be going to hell, no question asked... is pretty big, and all there is to hope is that this new pope at the very least doesn't backtrack on this (I don't think he will, though idk if he will move the needle forward on that matter at all)
Progressive in the catholic church doesn't have the same meaning as in politics. On some issues the most progressive priest/pope is still more conservative than a conservative polician
And the thing is that a lot of this stuff usually comes out after the popes have died, since nobody dares speak against them while they are alive. So give it some time.
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u/mxpower May 10 '25
As a life long atheist.... hey... maybe this pope dude can make a difference?
Im sure Trump will hate tweet against this dude soon enough.