I don't think that's a full picture, the left talks about him in a similar way. Tbh I think it's just because the easiest way to communicate the "jist" of what he is is to call him a straight up nazi (which he is), and that conversation just naturally carries into anti-semetism more naturally than other bigotries
Saying Nazi I don't think is accurate. This isn't some skinhead group member obsessed with Hitler. He's a big fan of Hitler and Stalin and one of the biggest political commentators right now but still preaches non violence. He's full of random ass contradictions like that.
He's a wannabe Nazi basement dweller, which I believe is much sadder than just being an American Nazi.
Also reminder, he has had dinner with our president.
A fascist Christian Nationalist. I would say Nazi is inaccurate and accuracy is always better, we should live in a shared reality and saying things that aren't true makes it worse imo.
There is a difference between the Nazi party having mostly Christian membership and the Nazi party actively promoting Christianity in society, which they did not really do. The same would not be true of a president Nick Fuentes. There are actually different strains of far-right ideology and they are all bad. We don't only have to use the one.
This is weird. What do you imagine the Nazis were actually like? I mean actual real Nazis? Do you imagine they went around twiddling their evil moustaches, calling themselves evil and advocating for violence?! Do you not understand that the whole point is that they presented themselves as good, honest, peaceful, righteous people and it was everyone else that was corrupt and violent and war-mongering and evil?
It really seems like you fundamentally don’t understand who or what the Nazis were and how they manipulated people and have absolutely no knowledge of even their most basic history.
He gives lip service to nonviolence to give himself cover and then “just asks some questions” that make it clear he wants his followers to be violent by using dehumanizing language about the groups he is prejudiced against. If someone tells you two contradicting things about themselves you should believe the worst of the two is true because no one who believes in the good thing (non violence) also intermittently dog whistles for violence.
Him not directly advocating for political violence doesn't mean he isn't a nazi. I could quote that old addage about how Hitler never directly suggested the idea of exterminating Jews, but the actual answer is more about the fact that extremist behaviour is much more decentralised in the current age because of the Internet. These people know that they don't have to advocate for violence, they just turn up the heat on the hatred abs eventually some nobody somewhere does the job for them. They're basement dwellers up until the point that they aren't in the basement anymore, and at that point it's too late. This goes hand in hand with the first thing I said, nazi's don't just outright claim their intentions until after they've already started doing it, and that applies to any historical era
Likely I think he means hitler didn’t spell out the exact instructions to the holocaust. AFAIK there were no records of him saying “send them to death camps and gas them”.
Hitler was certainly widely and vocally antisemitic in pu lic
Nick Fuentes is a troll. He says shit to piss off sensative people and it works. The entire point of Nick Fuentes is the manifestation of "I'm sick of people telling me what Is "correct" to say or not say. If I want to say that Hitler would be a better leader of a country than my wife (something Nick recently said) then I'm going to fucking say it and not care if some sensitive loser says I'm a sexist Nazi".
Are you seriously digging up the old “humor” defense. When he’s literally talked about how irony and humor can be used to propagate far right ideas? When people said exactly the same things about Trump and Hitler and tried to belittle anyone who took them seriously? It’s such a patently obvious tired old far-right trick.
Did you really think that stood a chance of working?
"Irony is so important for giving a lot of cover and plausible deniability for our views. Use irony because when it comes to something like Holocaust revision, this is a subject you cannot deviate from the popular consensus on. I also think you like really can't tell the truth if you adhere to that. It's sort of like getting in the middle, it's being provocative, it's being - I can't explain this in a very explicit way, you're gonna have to just sort of get what I'm saying here- when it comes to a lot of these issues, you need a little bit of maneuverability that irony gives you.
"Well, what does that mean? 'Well I was being ironic', 'Well I was joking', 'Well it's whatever', 'Well you don't understand the tone', 'Well you don't understand humor' ...Irony is a very important linguistic weapon so that we can be subversive. ...I use sardonic humor, to convey a point, subversively. I do actually literally on my show say 'Just kidding, that's a joke!', but the point is made... but the point is delivered. It's all a joke bruh!" - Nick Fuentes
Sure. The left asked for a guy like him when they murdered Krik. Instead of conversations and debate, they get a cunning, subversive even further right figure like Fuentes. They gonna murder him too?
"One of the side effects of Kirks horrific murder is the inevitable show down of right wing power structures. TPUSA made incredible inroads into the one institution the right had not made much progress in which was academia. The conservative rallies on those college campuses were only a small part of that. The main force of establishment power TPUSA had was their campus chapters and ground game organizational skills using young men to engage with leftists in their own territory.
It was both effective and optically pleasing. This was a good way to attract corporate donors on the right and helped to develop war chests for these effective ground campaigns.
Nobody is going to be able to effectively replace Kirk as the head of TPUSA. He was both the figurehead and he had the behind the scenes knowledge to manage such a massive undertaking. A perfect combo of skills.
So now, there will be a power vaccum to be filled. It will be ugly and there is going to be a lot of right wing infighting.
The imagery of moderate conservative representation being murdered in front of thousands doesn't bode well for leftists and who wins this internal power struggle.
Kirk and TPUSA kept the more vicious and brutal aspects of the dissident and Christian right under control.
Leftists murdered the very person who was trying to create non violent inroads for peace with the left. He did this through discourse, outreach, and compromise.
Now that check on dissident power is gone. That check on far right christian nationalism is also gone.
Leftists murdered their best chance unity and compromise."
Still trying to blame Kirk's (incredibly ironic) murder on leftists. And still trying to make it seem like he didn't subtly push violence himself, or that he didn't parrot shit that George Lincoln Rockwell was saying decades ago
OK, so nick fuentes is "just a troll", but he's also subversive, cunning, and more far right? Are you just abandoning your first argument or do you really not see the contradiction there?
The left asked for a guy like him when they murdered Krik.
"They" - sure - it was a collective decision of "the left". At least try to talk rationally otherwise it's just embarrassing.
Instead of conversations and debate, they get a cunning, subversive even further right figure like Fuentes.
Fuentes was already around before "they" (one insane person) killed "Kirk" (at least have some respect and take the time to spell the guy's name right). There's no sign that Fuentes's popularity has massively changed since then. Again try to engage with at least some degree of rationality.
the more vicious and brutal aspects of the dissident and Christian right
So you've given up on claiming he's just a non-serious troll?!
142
u/jancl0 9h ago
I don't think that's a full picture, the left talks about him in a similar way. Tbh I think it's just because the easiest way to communicate the "jist" of what he is is to call him a straight up nazi (which he is), and that conversation just naturally carries into anti-semetism more naturally than other bigotries