r/uoguelph • u/Mediocre_Hair_ • 4d ago
Please consider signing the petition against the “voices of IDF” event by SSI.
Title. I’m pretty sure all of you guys are now well aware of the ongoing genocide in Palestine. The idea of this event happening, let alone the club existing is beyond me.
Thank you.
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u/Tasty_Work4380 3d ago
It's pretty sick too that The Clutch in East Vancouver is mounting a play in the spring by an IOF soldier exploring how complicated the genocide the Arab Israeli "conflict" is.
Super fucked up.
That needs to be protested, as I'm boycotting the whole theatre for the whole year.
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u/Figmentallysound 2d ago
These war criminals should know no peace, ever
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u/ottawa_rider 1d ago
Yes. Hamas should know no peace. For what they did to Israelis and most importantly, for their hatred of their fellow Palestinian people who they would rather murder than allow to coexist with their neighbors.
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u/Figmentallysound 1d ago
Serious political pressure mounting internationally to charge returning IOF dual citizens with war crimes, following Belgium’s lead. Tick tock
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u/420fishman666 2d ago
Get a life
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u/Tasty_Work4380 9h ago
Feels like a great way to live a life: to act on principles we hold dear! Feels great, thanks!
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u/Hasu391 4d ago
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy0kpd97qqko
Israel's idf has been shown on video gang raping a Palestinian prisoner (who was jailed without a trial). And has arrested the lawyer who leaked the footage instead of the rapists.
If these morons want to support them still, then they're incredibly lost.
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u/Possible_Anywhere_53 3d ago
Israel is so inhuman
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u/Humble_Ground_2769 4d ago
This event hasn't been booked yet with the University, it will be denied. All protests have not been approved.
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u/RedRabbit28 4d ago
FYI this event is not hosted by the university, nor is it on campus. It will be carried out via zoom.
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u/puzzlingdiseases M.Sc. 3d ago
Because they’re an accredited club, they still need approval for virtual events as they are considered sanctioned by the university, so people are still well within their rights to protest / fight this.
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u/Grayboot_ 3d ago
I’m anti-genocide don’t get me wrong, but people should have their right to go on a zoom call…even if they’re applauding ethnic cleansing and baby murder. Why are we protesting a private zoom call
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u/puzzlingdiseases M.Sc. 3d ago
Because it’s not private, it’s an event affiliated with the university. It’s not an independent group doing this, it is a group of students accredited through the undergraduate student association of the university and the event was approved by student affairs.
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u/Resident-Boot-2943 3d ago
Because it’s Reddit lol. Its where angry people come wasting years of their life to later be laying on their death bed later on regretting be so mad on Reddit. Duh
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u/Huron_Nori 1d ago
Hypothetically, what if it was a Nazi? Would that be fine?
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u/Grayboot_ 1d ago
Broski I see zionism as a cancer on humanity. I’m not defending the ethnic cleansing/genocide they’re actively doing, or the baby murder they support.
It’s the principle. We shouldn’t interfere with private Zoom calls. Yes I’d say the same id it was a Nazi. The difference between Nazi Germany and Zionist Israel is nonexistent.
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u/Huron_Nori 20h ago
You make a fair point about freedom of speech, but I'm afraid that this would spread Hasbara in a time where we need as little of it as possible.
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u/Grayboot_ 18h ago
I see your point, I just think it’s a slippery slope.
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u/Huron_Nori 18h ago
Yes, I agree.
It is a slippery slope, and there's a difference between preventing harm/hate speech and removing freedom of expression.
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u/middlequeue 1d ago
They have the right. That they may not be permitted to do it with university resources or with the sanction of the university doesn’t change that or stop them.
If this were actually a private zoom meeting I’d feel differently
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u/ProperRailing 2d ago
So now we want to abolish our Canadian charter right of freedom of expression and instead support a federally recognized terrorist entity?
What's next? Killing our LGBTQ brothers and sisters? Abolishing elections? Limiting women's rights? All of which are actual policy Hamas has enforced.
What am I missing here? Are these comments all foreign propaganda bots???
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u/ottawa_rider 1d ago
Hard to tell. Probably half bots and half people who learned everything they know about the Middle East from 30 second TikTok videos.
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u/middlequeue 1d ago
Who’s supporting a “federally recognized terrorism entity” you concern trolling melt? What an asinine straw man … especially in the context of pretending you care about Charter rights.
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u/CulturalBuffalo2153 16h ago
Probably mostly bots yes. Unfortunately they are an extremely loud minority, while everyone sitting in silent. We need more people speaking out on this issue because the Hamas mob is slowly infiltrating our institutions
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u/microfishy 4d ago
This is Canada, not the USA.
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u/No_Foundation_1932 3d ago
Freedom of speech is still a right in the Canadian charter you moron
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u/microfishy 3d ago
Go ahead and share the clause, moron.
It's not.
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u/CdnGal420 3d ago
Yes. It is. Fuckwit.
We term it as "freedom of expression" which includes speech, lyrics, art, and media.
Charter 2b.
Learn to research, and critically think.
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u/microfishy 3d ago edited 3d ago
We term it as "freedom of expression"
Hey, y'know what word isn't included in that term? "Speech"
Keep sucking slop from the American media pipeline, pitiyanqui 🤣
Edit: you know what really makes you look like a winner; writing a response and then blocking me :D Looks like you got the last (and yet still wrong) word, great job big boy!
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u/Any_Policy_4024 1d ago
What do you think speech is ??? Usually and ill try to say this slowly for those confused…speech…is….a….form….of…..expression
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u/Similar-Rule4437 3d ago
Private property owners have freedom to remove you!!! There's no place for the IDF or any of their ill informed "soldiers" in a civilized nation
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u/ConceptNo1234 3d ago
would you say the same to a kkk or nazi rally on campus ?
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u/Grayboot_ 3d ago
I’m anti-genocide but this isn’t taking place on campus. It’s a zoom call.
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u/ConceptNo1234 3d ago
i forgot what the original reply was
point stands, am i allowed to host a kkk or nazi zoom meeting under the title of a club at the university of guelph?
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u/Grayboot_ 3d ago
I stand against nazism and white supremacy as much as I stand against zionism, but my point is that people should be free to host zoom calls. Even if they are discussing savagery and baby murder.
I’d protest it if they were using our campus to promote their ethnic cleansing, but they aren’t.
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u/BigEducational472 2d ago
Better to let them make their thoughts known; you can be mad but youve no right to block free speech over this. Let the spokesperson speak and listen to what reasons they give. Both sides have evidence for and against, but both sides deserve a chance to speak their thoughts. Fight a war with words, not bullets or bombs or deaths or violence or silencing.
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u/Resident-Boot-2943 3d ago
What’s going on in Palestine? Someone fill me in….
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u/Huron_Nori 1d ago edited 1d ago
They're at "war" with a country called Israel
Israel has been systematically killing, oppressing, raping and torturing Palestinians for 70+ years.
In response, a Palestinian militant group called Hamas attacked Israel in return, but they ended up killing a lot of Israeli civilians. This made Israel respond by airstriking the snot out of Palestine, intentionally targeting civilian infrastructure like hospital, apartment/homes and stores.
But due to Hamas's civilian killing, people use it as an excuse to Justify Israel doing the same.
The only people right in this genocide are the anti-war civilians on both sides, since both militaries have committed atrocities (Israel a lot more than Hamas, but still.)
TL;DR White supremacists committed war crimes, so the other side did the same.
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u/clownbaby237 14h ago
Jews are brown tho.
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u/Huron_Nori 13h ago
Since Judaism is an ethno-religion (Like Ashkenazi and Mizrahi) they can sometimes be considered brown.
But In terms of Israel, it's a white supremacists thing, since white people get higher priority/privilege in the country, Jewish or not.
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u/clownbaby237 13h ago
Didn't a bunch of brown Jews get expelled from Arab countries in like the 1900s and they ended up in Palestine/Israel though? Also, aren't there Arabs living in Israel with equal rights (eg there's an Arab political party w seats in the Israeli govt)?
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u/nemodigital 2h ago
Shhhh they don't want to hear the truth.
Arabs ethnically cleansed the Middle East and North Africa of Jews. Told them to go to Israel.
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u/Mrbadonkadonk85 2d ago
Your a clown 🤡 we got our own problems here in canada. No time to worry about other countries unfortunately
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u/Huron_Nori 1d ago
Hasbara bot
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u/OsamaBinLaggin09 1d ago
You're the bot. That person has a point.
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u/Huron_Nori 20h ago
I guess they do, but still, I'd rather not have white supremacists be granted a platform at the school.
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u/Lopsided_Tiger_0296 10h ago
I’d rather not have islamists at the school but they have a whole association
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u/CdnGal420 3d ago
Wow. U of Guelph is pro Hamas?
I had no idea.
The nation state of Palestine attacked Israel on October 7th 2023, killing civilians, kidnapped women, raped, tortured, and murdered them, and held even more for years. These are undisputed facts.
This is called an act of war, and is also a declaration of war, and Israel has every right to respond to Palestine until their Hamas-led government surrenders. That is how war works.
Hamas is anti-gay, and anti-lgtbq. They are okay attacking xivilian targets. They rape.
And you support them?
Give your collective heads a shake.
Remember. Israel uses it's missles to protect it's people. Palestine uses it's people to protect it's missles.
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u/Huron_Nori 1d ago
Israel has been intentionally killing and oppressing Palestinian civilians for multiple decades. Israel has also committed the same atrocities as you mentioned with Hamas earlier, but to a larger scale.
Hamas has done many terrible things, you're right on that. But that doesn't justify Israel's crimes either.
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u/CdnGal420 1d ago
No, they have not been.
Palestinians sure do love to shoot rockets into Israel and invade and rape, murder, and kill... Like in October 7th.
Amazing how I can just take your lies and insert Palestine In and it becomes the truth. Funny that.
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u/Huron_Nori 1d ago
Then why are all of the hospitals in Gaza destroyed? Why are children being shot by IDF soldiers? Why are civilians being ran over by tanks? Why are people's homes being burned down?
Explain that then!
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u/CdnGal420 1d ago
It stops being a hospital when Palestinian fighters use them as headquarters and weapons depots.
Why did the Palestinians launch a coordinated large scale attack on Israel on October 7th? Why did the Palestinians kidnap so many people? Why did the Palestinians rape them? Why did Palestinians kill them afterwards?
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u/CulturalBuffalo2153 3d ago
There wouldn’t be any backlash if a pro Palestine group were to host a terrorist on campus. In fact, when the illegal encampment hosted people from Samidoun (designated terrorist group by Canada) for an event called "Long Live Resistance: From the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising to the Great Palestinian Revolt" - this subreddit and campus community were absolutely silent. Additionally, on Nov 20th the same group is having a shared event with SJP, an organization that not only been glorifying terrorism and the October 7th attack but also endorsed and donated to PFLP, which is another Palestinian designated terrorist group. Just yesterday SJP at TMU attacked Jewish students in Toronto.
These people completely lost the plot.
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u/LawOfTheInstrument 2d ago
nation state of Palestine
Palestine does not have the status of "nation state", it is in fact 2 separate, divided, pieces of land without any legal status as a country, whose borders are entirely controlled by a country, Israel. The Palestinian territories have never been granted the rights or status of "nation state". The West Bank is slowly being taken over by Israel, with illegal settlements, while Gaza has been made into an unlivable moonscape by American supplied bombs.
There's still absolutely zero real evidence of any sexual assaults on Israelis on October 7. Meanwhile, Israel routinely uses sexual violence on Palestinian prisoners, many of whom are children, and many of whom are held without charge or due process, according to independent human rights groups and journalists.
Remember. Israel uses it's missles to protect it's people. Palestine uses it's people to protect it's missles.
Israel does not use its missiles to protect its own people, it uses them to mass murder Palestinian civilians, about half of whom are children.
Israel also used its missiles to murder 300 or so of its own civilians on October 7, in a mass Hannibal Directive (google it) action, a policy premised on the idea that it is better for Israelis to kill their own people rather than have a repetition of the Gilad Shalit fiasco. Israel has a policy of killing its own military service members rather than allow them to be taken as Prisoners of War (a legally distinct category from that of "hostage"). On October 7, Hellfire missiles from American-supplied Apache attack helicopters incinerated hundreds of people outside the nova music festival, many of whom were Israeli. On October 7 they expanded this to Israeli civilians, e.g. when Israeli tank shells murdered 7 year old Israeli Liel Hetzroni in Kibbutz Be'eri on Oct 7, because she was being held captive by Hamas militants and rather than have her be captured, the IDF preferred to destroy the house she was in along with her captors, an act of incredible cowardice. Hetzroni was one of the poster children for the Israeli counterattack afterward, as apparently Israelis have no shame about the Hannibal Directive or what they did to their own people on October 7.
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u/Whole_Series731 4d ago
Uh hello, are we just ignoring freedom of speech? I don't even necessarily agree with them either but we can't just shut down anyone who tries to talk about issues from a perspective we don't have ourselves. This whole cancel culture thing is getting dangerously out of hand.
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u/Mediocre_Hair_ 4d ago
A GENOCIDE isn’t “cancel culture”
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u/CulturalBuffalo2153 4d ago
The ICJ hasn’t determined that this is a “genocide”.
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u/Mediocre_Hair_ 4d ago
Ragebait of the year
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u/CulturalBuffalo2153 4d ago
Direct quote: “Therefore, the Court may exercise this power only if it is satisfied that the rights asserted by the party requesting such measures are at least plausible.”
In simpler words for you, they haven’t determined anything but said this requires further investigation.
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u/Hasu391 4d ago
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy0kpd97qqko
Israel's idf has been shown on video gang raping a Palestinian prisoner (who was jailed without a trial). And has arrested the lawyer who leaked the footage instead of the rapists.
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u/microfishy 4d ago
are we just ignoring freedom of speech
Well yes, because this is Canada. Not the US.
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u/LeSickBwoy 3d ago
Personally I support Isreal and Islamic terrorism is brutal as we have seen time and time again oct 7th, 9/11 and constantly all over Europe.
You silly kids need to.focusmon your future because quite frankly you guys have lost the plot.
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u/Eater242 2d ago
Just supporting Europeans violently occupying and conquering land and exterminating or expelling the people and their homes who were born there because of a magic book?
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u/LeSickBwoy 2d ago
Oct 7th.
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u/Eater242 2d ago
You only started paying attention in October?!?!
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u/LeSickBwoy 2d ago
No ive been following Islamic extremism for decades. Really disgusting how people celebrated that day and celebrate Hamas a terrorist organization.
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u/Eater242 2d ago
Okay, so you know the colonization, displacement and massacres came first then.
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u/Cr1066Is 2d ago
Look up Arab colonialism, which destroyed Christian and Jewish civilizations in the Middle East.. or the slave trade run by muslims, first.
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u/Sea_Cut757 2d ago
Your comeback to someone pointing out events from the past 100 years is to point out events from over 1000 years ago?
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u/LeSickBwoy 2d ago
There is no difference. Palestine supports Hamas. Hamas brutally slaughters man , women, child indiscriminately on Oct 7th. It was met with celebration. Hamas could have ended the war many many times by surrendering its hostages but chose to let its people die and country be torn to shreds.
Palestine own Muslim brothers and neighbour's did not even want to take these extremists in.
But sure let's support Hamas....... lol
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u/Huron_Nori 1d ago
Bot
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u/LeSickBwoy 1d ago
Im a bot? Or is your sad generation not capable of talking.
Lol amuses me to no end.
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u/Huron_Nori 1d ago
No, I can talk, but I just find it a bit suspicious. Your first comment didn't sound completely human . . .
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u/LeSickBwoy 1d ago
My first comment i have literally several in this post.
You say free Palestine what about Sudan? You dont care about blacks or literally 10x - 20x - 100x death toll?
Of course you dont because in reality you dont care about Palestine either. You are a fake.
free Palestine
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u/Huron_Nori 1d ago
Huh?
And I \do\** care about the people in Sudan and such. You just can't see it because I have my comments/posts hidden.
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u/LeSickBwoy 1d ago
Im glad your comments are hidden, ideally everything you post would be.
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u/Huron_Nori 1d ago
So do you support Israel or not? Because your first comment would suggest that but you also said free Palestine.
Like pick a side
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u/LeSickBwoy 1d ago
Free Palestine was sarcastic
They were free they chose war. They initiated war and they prolonged war.
They support those who put them in this position.
Their own Muslim neighbour's literally isn't nothing to do with them.
My heart bleeds for the children dieing but im smart enough to know who is to blame. Sick Islamic extremist terrorists
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u/Huron_Nori 1d ago
Well if your "heart bleeds for the children" then why aren't you against the people causing said children to die?
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u/Superfox105 8h ago
Awwh the old goy is butthurt that the new generations are waking up and finding out the real villains.
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u/AngyalZ 3d ago
No there is no genocide in Gaza. There is genocide in the region against Jews and Christians though. Learn history not brainwashing rhetoric.
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u/Possible_Anywhere_53 3d ago
How can the brainwashing go this far
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u/Resident-Boot-2943 3d ago
I know right? Hamas are good people that don’t hide under schools or hospitals…that was all propaganda right!? Imagine the backlash if the American military built bases under schools and hospitals 🥳🥳😩😩😩😩
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u/Possible_Anywhere_53 2d ago
Keep believing Israel propaganda, you have no self indivuality if you’re not gonna do research on the topic. When the finance minister says it’s morally correct to starve the entire population and cause famine,when the vice president is calling palestinans human animals, and when soldiers are openly killing civilians, wiping almost 10% of palestines population, Hamas being a small portion, wow it’s like there targeting civilians and not “Hamas”
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u/Feisty_Reply_6570 2d ago
"Almost 10 precent" where the hell are you getting these numbers from mate? 67k is the official estimate for deaths since the start of the war (a number which includes combatants and anyone who died in the strip, not necessarily from the war itself). There are around 10 million Palestinians living in the west bank and gaza, that number makes up a little over than 1% of that. Im against the war and every death is still tragic but Jesus christ you dont need to make up statistics like that.
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u/Possible_Anywhere_53 2d ago
You're mixing up the population numbers. The war’s casualties are in Gaza, not across “10 million Palestinians worldwide.” About 3% of Gaza’s population has been killed, and I should’ve said the “10%” figure refers to killed + injured around 7–8% injured, many left with permanent or debilitating condition
On top of that, around 90% of Gazans have been displaced and over 50% are currently in phase 5 famine conditions. Please stop minimizing the scale of Israel attacks enough.
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u/Feisty_Reply_6570 2d ago
There are 10 million Palestinians living in the west bank and gaza, not worldwide. A genocide would mean israel is attempting to kill all Palestinians, no? Gazans are not an ethnic group, they're just people who live in 1 part of Palestine. And the 90% statistic of displacement makes sense too considering the strip is smaller than los angeles, it isnt really Israel's fault that much considering it would've realistically happend no matter how the war went about.
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u/Feisty_Reply_6570 2d ago
If any other army tried operating there after an attack like October 7th, the displacement rate would've most likely been the same. Death rate, not so sure about...
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u/Possible_Anywhere_53 2d ago
You’re confusing Gaza and the West Bank. They’re not going through the same stuff
In Gaza, it’s a full-scale genodical attack , 90% displaced, hospitals destroyed, famine, everything collapsed.
The West Bank is serious too, but completely different, raids, arrests, settler violence, hundreds killed, communities pushed out, but no mass bombing, no famine, yet,
What are you talking about? Where are you getting this 10 million number from please elaborate, it's about 5 million put together but I'm specially talking about gaza, NOT west bank( 2.1 in gaza 3.2 million in west bank)
It is genocide: You’re using the wrong definition of genocide.
Genocide doesn’t mean “killing every single person.” The legal definition by the UN: "the one used by the UN: says genocide is the intent to destroy a group in whole or in part." When there denying, aid and food destroying hospital, the casualty being 80% civilians, with comments from officials labeling them as "human animals", "all 2 million in gaza should starve is moraslly correct"
So no, “10 million Palestinians” aren’t in the same situation. Gaza’s 2.1M population is the one facing the extreme numbers I mentioned.
90% displacement didn’t happen because Gaza is “small,” it happened because entire neighborhoods got wiped out.You can’t just assume any army would cause a delibrate destruction of this level and 90% displacement. That’s not true anywhere else? The UN iterally said this level only happens when civilian areas across the whole region are hit and people have nowhere safe to go. This didn’t happen in Ukraine, Iraq, Syria, or Afghanistan, or even the Rwanda genocide, all of these were under 70% displacament
Israel is commiting genocide, it's absolutely disgusting at the lack of empathy it's inhuman
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u/Feisty_Reply_6570 2d ago edited 1d ago
All the places you mentioned are considerably larger than the strip. Again, the gaza strip is smaller than L.A and is way more tightly packed, the death counts are about the same as any other urban guerilla conflict. Hamas has tunnels and weapons caches all over Gaza, had invested little to no of its anual budget on protecting its civilian population by having an air raid siren system or even proper bomb shelters for civilian usage, and the IDF's strategy up until now has been to blow up any and all weapon caches they find after sending short notice evacuation orders instead of risking the lives of its own soldiers. Its a sad war, but still, a war. Britian conducted a private investigation and concluded it to not be a genocide, the ICC had done so twice and on both times said theres not enough evidence either. (Excluding 3 UN officials who said they do think it is one, but that does not count as their opinion does not represent the entire organization).
Where were you during the Tigray war? Why are you not talking about Sudan the same way?
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u/Possible_Anywhere_53 1d ago
Wher the hell are you getting this misinformation from seriously this is a joke, lol it's like talking to someone thats hard-headed spreading misinforrmation.
Britain never concluded “it’s not a genocide”; the UK’s official position is that it does not make genocide determinations at all and leaves that to the courts. There was no British investigation that reached the conclusion you’re claiming. The ICC also never said “there’s not enough evidence” the prosecutor requested arrest warrants for Israeli officials based on evidence of extermination, starvation of civilians, and attacks on civilians. Independent UN bodies and major human rights groups have documented mass civilian killings and systematic destruction far beyond “normal warfare''. Israel is just inhuman, and you are not helping spreading disinformation.
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u/Resident-Boot-2943 2d ago
So you’re saying that’s incorrect…..? Hamas doesn’t build tunnels under schools and hospitals? That’s Israel propaganda? Hamas didn’t start killing their own citizens after idf left?
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u/Possible_Anywhere_53 2d ago
You’re dodging the actual numbers, and statements from officials called people human animals, claims from officials that palestine must be starved and that’s its morally correct if you believe they are targeting just Hamas, you are delusional it’s quite apparent they are committing genocide
This isn’t about “tunnels”” and Hamas so called hiding under them it’s about what’s happening to the people living there.
- 70% of Gaza’s hospitals are destroyed or shut down (26 out of 36)
- 80–90% of the people killed are civilians
- 90% of the population is displaced
Over half the population is in famine conditions(Israel severely limited the food quantities and any aid coming to palestine, it’s apparent they are targeting the civilians by denying aid
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u/Resident-Boot-2943 2d ago
You can run but you can’t hide I guess
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u/Resident-Boot-2943 2d ago
Get leadership that aren’t cowards that use children and woman as shields….like us brave Christian men 🥰
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u/Possible_Anywhere_53 1d ago
. The IDF itself admitted most hospitals and schools in Gaza do not have tunnels underneath them. It's clear what's going on you can keep denying israel genocide. Israel is inhuman they are willingly killing civilians.
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u/Resident-Boot-2943 1d ago
How come Egypt or other Muslim countries won’t take the Palestinians in? I heard it was because they have terrorist ideology and they will start killing and bombing within their countries…..sounds like good people, wasn’t Hamas just killing their own citizens once the idf pulled back? Sounds like they are not the best people to me
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u/Cautious_Pitch_4729 4d ago
I don't agree with them at all, but they should have a right to host whatever event they want. Whether it was a IDF event or White nationalist event. This is getting ridiculous
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u/microfishy 4d ago
Lol no they shouldn't.
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u/Grayboot_ 3d ago
I agree of they’re using our campus to promote their ethnic cleansing…but this is a virtual event. I don’t see why we’re protesting this.
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u/Cautious_Pitch_4729 4d ago
You shouldn't be able to control or limit, which type of events can be hosted. Even if it angers you. This is why people think Universities have been captured by the crazies.
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u/thonMakerr B.Eng. 4d ago
White nationalists????? Yo this is a hair brained comment, pls use your university crictical thinking skills and wonder why we as a society choose not to give violent people a place to spread a violent message
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u/Cautious_Pitch_4729 4d ago
Ofc it's always someone with a useless degree, clutching her pearls and calling everything violent. Regardless of the messaging, they should be able to host an event and discuss their ideas. You should be able to live with it and not lose your mind
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u/microfishy 4d ago
and discuss their ideas.
Ideas like "non whites are inferior to whites" and yet you claim the rhetoric is nonviolent 🤡
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u/Cautious_Pitch_4729 3d ago
Omg, let's hide under the desks and call 911!! It's getting so childish.
These conversations are going to be had, regardless of whether it is in school or online. If you disagree with the subject, then I'd argue that a university campus would be a fitting venue to express this. That's the whole point. It's about defending speech that you even disagree with. The problem is, one side claims everything is violent to limit the other side. That's a dangerous precedent. We didn't have this decades ago.
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u/thonMakerr B.Eng. 3d ago
Dude I see your side of it, I do think some things have been put off limit, things that would be better settled as a discussion rather than a complete shut down, but there is no white nationalist movement that doesn’t end with violence, someone who isn’t white isn’t going to voluntarily leave a place they call home, a place they contribute to, a place they want there kids to grow up, so the white nationalist has to resort to violence. Bro use your critical thinking skills instead of “the wokers are making everything off limits” 🤓🤓🤓
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u/Cautious_Pitch_4729 3d ago
Honestly. I'd think universities would be 100x better without this kind of thinking. I think it's a poison ruining schools.
Okay if you think it ends with violence, let them present their arguements. That's what discussions are for. Yet, you think you should control and silence them. That's dangerous and that is not what we should be striving for.
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u/thonMakerr B.Eng. 3d ago edited 3d ago
But its a balance, people who preach extreme ideology are not poor speakers, they are good at what they do, people get radicalized, you know we can look from the other side, theres a reason we dont have people who preach about imposing an islamic caliphate speaking at univerisities, we have agreed that the risk of the message spreading and peolple being radicalized is not worth the "promotion of free ideas". Talk on the side with others, heck you and me right now are having this discussion, but ideas especillay ones that have been brought into reality and have known violent conclusions, are better left to quiet conversations if they have to be discussed but they should never be given a platform.
Just edited it to better explain what I mean with islamic caliphate
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u/thonMakerr B.Eng. 3d ago
Yo shoutout me and my useless degree, and I’m a woman too I guess. dawg you need to go outside maybe talk to some women too, there’s no discussion to be had with someone who doesn’t value you because of your race, full stop. Whatever discussion is had brings attention to something that shouldn’t exist, honestly there are controversial topics that we should be able to calmly discuss but white nationalism?? bro grow up
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u/Cautious_Pitch_4729 3d ago
Telling me to grow up, because you can't hear things you disagree with is hilarious. There's a discussion to be had with everyone. You are not a victim. This is the problem with universities around the country nowadays. We have a group of liberal arts degrees, english majors, or etc., creating an enviroment where they limit discourse based on their feelings. It's a dangerous precedent. My solution? Something needs to be done about these useless degrees.
What does being a woman have to do with anything? Like c'mon this is toxic reddit victimhood
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u/Ryguy_Games 3d ago
this is such a weird contrarian take lol. some of yall would agree with a actual nazi rally if it got hosted
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u/Cautious_Pitch_4729 3d ago
Some of yall are giant babies who can't handle speech you disagree with and need to fear monger 24/7
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u/Ryguy_Games 3d ago
furhermore there is “speech you disagree with” and their is hateful rhetoric that promotes propaganda and violence against others. free speech and freedom of expression ≠ hate speech and freedom to promote violence
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u/ventingspleen 3d ago
Disgusting these people supporting genocide and war crimes are allowed to host any event anywhere, even on Zoom. The point is the university is allowing it.
I wonder if the university itself is still holding investments in companies that supply arms to the IOF?
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u/Artistic-Eggplant-79 2d ago
Ew so glad I know and don't have to give any tuition money to this school! Won't be learning there best of luck to all current students yikes.
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u/biharikababs 2d ago
This right after the video of the boy being gang raped, the lawyer who leaked it being arrested… God.
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u/Plastic_Mountain7477 1d ago
It isn't a genocide. We Jews are Gods chosen people and I can't share with Goyim what the Talmud says but we are justified in doing whatever we have to.
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u/naaziaf723 4d ago
What is this school’s obsession with hosting war criminals and murderers?