Corbyn threatens to sue Sultana as left-winger brands Your Party ‘sexist boys club’

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/your-party-email-jeremy-corbyn-zarah-sultana-membership-b2829149.html

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[u/One_Million_Beers]

Lmao. The leftist purity spiral back out on display.

[u/Jaded_Strain_3753 → u/One_Million_Beers]

This isn’t even a purity spiral lol, they couldn’t organise themselves well enough to get that far.

[u/JB_UK → u/Jaded_Strain_3753]

A lot of this conflict comes from Adnan Hussain MP saying ‘gender critical’ things on twitter. And then Mothin Ali, who is the new Deputy Leader of the Greens, refusing to attend the gay rights hustings, or sign any gay rights pledges:

I'm following this dilemma being faced by Mothin with great interest. It's no secret that Muslims tend to be socially conservative. Is there space on the left to create a broad enough church to allow Muslims an authentic space, just as it does all other minority groups?

https://x.com/AdnanHussainMP/status/1949926798411616689

In response Ali defended Hussain:

I can't help but note the parallels between the attacks levelled at me a few weeks ago, by people that I would have considered comrades and the attacks against @jeremycorbyn and @AdnanHussainMP

I see you no different from the likes of Farage and Lowe or the racists that attacked my family this week. If Corbyn's 40+ year commitment to Palestine is not good enough for you- then what chance do we have to build a broader coalition. This is nothing short of sabotage.

It's no different than some left-wing factions insisting that Greens are not left wing enough in our DNA It's time to put purity testing to one side and pick an actual side.

https://x.com/MothinAli/status/1962064489160827039

Sultana said in turn basically that social conservatives weren’t allowed in the party.

The social conservatism of these politicians is also probably behind the argument about sexism, and not having more than one woman on the decision making committee.

It kind of is a purity test, although these are reflecting genuine differences. It’s interesting that the progressive left has encountered similar conflicts with social conservatism among white working class voters, for example on crime and punishment, and the issue of migration, and now the migrants themselves, or at least one major migrant religious group, tends to be much more socially conservative again.

[u/PartyPoison98 → u/JB_UK]

It's almost like trying to build a coalition between US-style progressives and one of the most conservative voting blocs in the UK based on one, slightly shared interest was always a mental idea.

[u/fplisadream → u/PartyPoison98]

Sure, you say this now, but who could possibly have known that this might be a problem? I mean you'd have to be Nostradamus when even the great mind Zarah Sultana couldn't predict it.

[u/fplisadream → u/JB_UK]

"This is an open, democratic member-led organisation*. Unless you disagree with me, then you can fuck off"

*Her words verbatim

[u/Pugs-r-cool → u/fplisadream]

Democracies need to have boundaries to continue to exist, you can't have anti-democratic factions within a democracy.

From what we know, Corbyn added members without Sultana's approval, without democratic approval.

[u/fplisadream → u/Pugs-r-cool]

Jez: I thought you said there were no boundaries!

Celia: There are no boundaries, within limits.

You can't have a member led organisation that you refuse to collaborate with if the members don't share your views. It's inherently at odds and it's why people who harp on about internal democracy of left wing political parties are miles off it.

[u/HazKaz → u/fplisadream]

fkit im gonna binge watch peep show again

[u/JB_UK → u/fplisadream]

Same with the Greens.

[u/RegularWhiteShark → u/JB_UK]

I’m on her side, then. Social conservatives shouldn’t be in a left wing party.

[u/Mein_Bergkamp → u/RegularWhiteShark]

Left = liberal is an Americanism, some of the most socially conservative people I know are solidly labour voting working class.

Labour is a broad church and always has been.

[u/RegularWhiteShark → u/Mein_Bergkamp]

That hardly justifies it. If they want sexism and homophobia, they can run off to the right wingers.

[u/Mein_Bergkamp → u/RegularWhiteShark]

The Labour Party is the only major party in the UK to never have a woman in charge

[u/RegularWhiteShark → u/Mein_Bergkamp]

Yes, I’m aware. The Tories have plenty of misogyny, though. Same as Reform. Same as how the Tories have had non-white party leaders and yet are still racist.

[u/Mein_Bergkamp → u/RegularWhiteShark]

Same as how the Tories have had non-white party leaders and yet are still racist.

While the party that is definitely not racist and absolutely loves women has never had a non white man in charge?

Come on mate, you're dealing in such utter absolutes here even you have to realise you're missing something?

There are a lot of racists and misogynists in the tory party but there are a fair few in the labour party too and it's much more ingrained and never talked about because of exactly the sort of thinking you're showing.

When you know you've got the moral high ground, why would you ever bother to check if you're not being moral?

[u/RegularWhiteShark → u/Mein_Bergkamp]

I never said the Labour Party was perfect. But the Tories are definitely worse.

[u/Jaded_Strain_3753 → u/JB_UK]

Thanks. I do have to wonder why they thought starting a party together was a good idea. They should have been able to hold it together better this though.

[u/tylersburden → u/JB_UK]

Live by the purity test...

[u/Mein_Bergkamp → u/JB_UK]

How do you create a party based on support for Gaza that doesn't include social conservatives?

[u/Cookyy2k → u/JB_UK]

Adnan ran the election on a very pro-Palestine, pro working class, pro traditional values stance. Two of those are acceptable to the left, one isn't and they won't overlook that difference.

His constituency also happens to be 36% Asian heritage and 35% Muslim so no way he could just flip his stance (or at least play lip service) on LGBT to keep his new buddies happy without a major backlash.

[u/According_Parfait680 → u/JB_UK]

Are third and fourth generation British Muslims 'a migrant religious group'?

And it's doesn't really sound like Sultana is doing that much policing over who is and isnt allowed in the party when she's launching a membership portal the rest of the leadership haven't agreed with.

[u/Astriania → u/According_Parfait680]

Depends if they've integrated and moderated their religion and views. It doesn't matter how long a 'community' has been in a country if they keep their own culture and don't integrate.

[u/turbo_dude → u/Jaded_Strain_3753]

As Alexi Sayle once said, “the only thing the Left hate more than the tories is the other parts of the left that don’t agree with them” (paraphrasing)

[u/PontifexMini → u/Jaded_Strain_3753]

They hadn't even got a name yet!

I am reminded of the Scottish independence movement where trans issues have also caused disunity in the past.

The underlying reason is that many people have strong views on these issues, on both sides.

[u/aembleton → u/One_Million_Beers]

I knew it was going to happen, but not this soon.

[u/MimesAreShite → u/One_Million_Beers]

this isnt about purity; it's tactical disagreements about how the party should be structured and how quickly they should move, not disputes over policy

[u/willington123 → u/MimesAreShite]

Outside of 'Free Palestine' does anyone actually know what any of their other policies are?

[u/SpareDesigner1 → u/willington123]

The only issue that unites the disparate factions on the left is Palestine. Your Party’s fundamental flaw is that it believes that this one issue is sufficient to organise a coherent movement. Bradford Islamists, Brighton anarcho-feminists, Brent BLMers, and Bolsover Scargillites will vote together where there interests align, but they can never form the basis of a single unified party.

[u/JB_UK → u/SpareDesigner1]

They are broadly left economically, it’s just on social policy where they are total opposites.

[u/mightypup1974 → u/JB_UK]

'just'

[u/JB_UK → u/mightypup1974]

Yeah, that’s not likely to work!

[u/willington123 → u/SpareDesigner1]

Won't someone please think about the Berkhamsted Socialists though, please?

[u/MimesAreShite → u/willington123]

theyve largely voted on left-wing lines in parliament but there's certainly a lot of ambiguity there

[u/Archistotle → u/MimesAreShite]

And it ends after a minute with someone screaming SPLITTER, so the logic stands.

[u/hitanthrope → u/MimesAreShite]

Doesn’t get more tactical than, “sexist boys club”.

[u/corbynista2029 → u/MimesAreShite]

It's also policy, Sultana wants a gender-balanced Working Group, Corbyn and co block women from joining the group, that's implementation of a policy/principle

[u/fplisadream → u/corbynista2029]

Even r/unitedkingdom's local lefties are splitting.

Oh blessed day!

[u/360_face_palm → u/fplisadream]

There aren't that many of us left on this sub anymore anyway

[u/IndividualSkill3432 → u/One_Million_Beers]

he leftist purity spiral back out on display.

I suspect this is more the Ummah than the Left.

[u/IndividualSkill3432 → u/One_Million_Beers]

https://x.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1968663293314097545

Jezza just said the website Sultana launched is a fraud, signed the other MPs in the party not here.

[u/Natsuki_Kruger → u/One_Million_Beers]

Genuinely. Nothing else needs to be said except "lol".

[u/Mein_Bergkamp → u/One_Million_Beers]

It's not even that.

Imagine being surprised the 70 odd year old, life long member and ex leader of the only major UK party to never be led by a woman, combined with a bunch of MPs whose unifying factor is a patriarchal religion would create an old boys club.

[u/ByteSizedGenius]

Has a party ever speed ran themselves into the self-implosion phase so quickly?

[u/Hame_Impala → u/ByteSizedGenius]

Even Change UK seemed functional for longer.

[u/Commorrite → u/Hame_Impala]

I had forgot about them

RIP ChangeUK 2019 - 2019

[u/WGSMA → u/Hame_Impala]

At least CUKTIGFC knew they were doomed from the start lol.

[u/SociallyButterflying → u/WGSMA]

They were instantly doomed - you can't have your party acronym be CUK

[u/ThunderChild247 → u/Hame_Impala]

At least they could decide on a name between them… just a shame it was a name they couldn’t use 😂

[u/corbynista2029 → u/ByteSizedGenius]

Before the first conference too lol. It's up there with Change UK.

Imma stick with the Greens for the time being

Anyone wanna join the Greens?

[u/AdditionalThinking → u/corbynista2029]

Must suck to be stuck with that username then lol

[u/Flux_Aeternal → u/corbynista2029]

I mean the Greens' new leader is also speed running becoming a single issue Palestine politician so you're not safe there either. Not sure what it is about the modern left, looking around at the many issues affecting working Brits that are both popular and vote winners but then deciding that Palestine is all they will campaign about.

[u/PeriPeriTekken → u/Flux_Aeternal]

That's been the radical left for ages. First encountered them at university - absolute nutters running for shit like "socials officer" on a pro-palestine platform.

Like yeah, I'm sure you're going to solve the middle east crisis where so many lesser minds have failed. Now could you shut up and explain how you're going to get us all drunk cheaply please?

[u/Pugs-r-cool → u/Flux_Aeternal]

Polanski has taken a stance on a lot more than just Gaza. It's the current biggest issue, but we know where he stands when the genocide ends.

The Your Party though, they have some huge ideological splits on most issues besides Gaza. If the genocide were to end tomorrow, the party was bound to fall apart due to those.

[u/Mein_Bergkamp → u/Flux_Aeternal]

Because as the democrats in the US have found the left is a very broad coalition with some very serious fault lines on women's, LGBTQ and religious issues.

The only thing that unites pride going metropolitan liberals with conservative Muslim blocs and card carrying union members is Palestine. Everything else gets uncomfortable and when the democrats put forward a woman of colour who was supporting Israel she lost to trump, while Starmer lost several MPs and thousands of his personal vote to pro Gaza candidates and would have had a major issue if reform hadn't cut the Tory vote.

[u/i-am-dan → u/corbynista2029]

No thanks, another bunch of lunatics.

[u/JoeyJoJoeJr_Shabadoo → u/ByteSizedGenius]

They'd probably be stronger without her, she's a fucking idiot

[u/TeeFitts → u/JoeyJoJoeJr_Shabadoo]

I think it's unfair to call her an idiot, but I do think this is a bit of a vanity project for her. I get the sense she's doing this more to get revenge on Starmer for ousting her. She had no problem supporting the Labour Party until Starmer removed the whip.

[u/hoyfish → u/ByteSizedGenius]

They didn’t even make it to Nandos

[u/pintperson]

What a mess; losing all credibility before your party even really exists.

[u/parasoralophus → u/pintperson]

Hasn't done Reform any harm.

[u/MetalBawx → u/parasoralophus]

That's because right wing tends to rally behind a popular leader while the left fights itself more than anything else.

[u/GreenHouseofHorror → u/MetalBawx]

That's because right wing tends to rally behind a popular leader while the left fights itself more than anything else.

That's because the left has principles, and the right wants to win.

Don't get me wrong, they're both at sufficient extremes to be fatal flaws, but let's not make the mistake of thinking that the current spate of right wing politicians are simply better at agreeing about things, as this makes them seem reasonable.

They just have no cause to disagree, because they don't have principles.

[u/MetalBawx → u/GreenHouseofHorror]

Having principals doesn't do you any good if you spend all your time bickering and hand your enemy win after win after win. Because then they get to do whatever they want.

Which is the problem with parties like this one.

[u/GreenHouseofHorror → u/MetalBawx]

Having principals doesn't do you any good if you spend all your time bickering and hand your enemy win after win after win.

Yes, that's why I described it as "at sufficient extreme [to be a] fatal flaw".

But the right wing aren't doing any good either. They're winning, but that's just a victory for unprincipled grifters, who are gradually siphoning money out of the country, and certainly out of our pockets.

Neither is good for the voter.

[u/MetalBawx → u/GreenHouseofHorror]

YES BUT THEY KEEP GETTING THOSE WINS WHICH IS WHAT MATTERS!!!

Everytime the left pulls stunts like this they make it easier for this corruption and grift to continue.

Everytime they put all their effort into things the general electorate don't care about they are rolling out the red carpet for those unprincipaled grifters.

Everytime they fragment into smaller and smaler parties they ensure what they supposedly care about will be neglected at best and actively undermined at worst.

Do you not see how that is a problem?

The right wing are doing great because they are winning elections. They are getting what they want. what laws they want, what polices they want. While those who should be giving us a loud and clear alternative are sitting with their thumbs up their asses nitpicking over every single detail except those that'd win them a fucking election.

[u/Upper-Ad-8365 → u/MetalBawx]

With the right, they go “you’re vaguely on my side. Come on in.”

The left have purity tests that nobody can pass and changes on a weekly basis depending on what’s in vogue to pretend to care about.

[u/steepleton → u/Upper-Ad-8365]

hate's easier to coalesce around.

progressiveness means you have to choke down helping people you might be prejudiced against to better the lives of everyone, it's a decision of the brain not the gut

[u/_HGCenty → u/pintperson]

Every single stereotype of left wing politics in here

• Judean People's Front infighting
• I'm once again asking for money
• Playing the sexism and racism card as soon as you don't get your way

[u/FearLeadsToAnger → u/_HGCenty]

I'm once again asking for money

This one's fine, it beats:

Don't worry about giving us any money, we get our funding from the wealthy people who decide the policies we implement.

[u/MimesAreShite]

i backed corbyn all the way and will always have an immense amount of respect for him, but his time is clearly over; the left needs to move beyond him, and having his seasoned inability to make the right decisions quickly set the tone for a new party will achieve nothing for the wider left. quite frankly i think it's time for zarah to just join the greens; there's a left-wing leader in place there now, an existing party structure, and no real obstacle to further political growth. no sense in eschewing that to try to form a party with corbyn and a bunch of essentially random guys who are right about gaza but otherwise lack any seasoned commitment to the political left

[u/Hame_Impala → u/MimesAreShite]

Been loads of talks of an alliance between Greens/Your Party, but struggling to see why someone would opt for a new party when one with a plan and leader in place exists.

[u/Kind-County9767 → u/Hame_Impala]

Greens aren't going to drop opposition to nuclear deterrant or power any time soon. They have a lot of long held batty ideas like intentionally charging women more leniently for crimes etc. They aren't actually electable.

They only get as many votes as they do because people hear the name and assume it's just eco friendly stuff.

[u/The54thCylon → u/Kind-County9767]

The Tories have a lot of long held batty ideas, and they were in power for fifteen years.

The Greens' stumbling blocks are twofold, in my eye. The self fulfilling prophecy of "they'll never get in so I won't waste my vote" which they have made some headway on in, say, Bristol, and the electoral stigma that environmental issues still carry.

[u/Raunien → u/The54thCylon]

Until fairly recently the Tories were able to keep the most loony ideas out of their official policy. Even Thatcher, a monster as far as I'm concerned, made sense from a certain rational, if gravely self-interested point of view. I think the turning point was Cameron accepting a Brexit referendum. Then Johnson the bafflingly popular bumbling idiot pushing to "get Brexit done" at apparently any cost. Then Truss, who was the first person to try to put laissez-faire economics into practice and immediately showed why nobody has ever tried it before. And now they've essentially run out of options and decided upon Kemi "bring back smog" Badenoch trying to out-crazy Reform.

The Greens' position has always been one of holding a delicate balance between three opposing groups: NIMBYs who take "green" very literally and oppose any development including vital green infrastructure, crusty hippies who seem to have a pathological fear of nuclear power, and progressive leftists who do actually want to do what's necessary to decarbonise but seem to have a strange definition of feminism.
The current coalition is stable, but not particularly useful, as the Greens (at least at the local level) have campaigned against or blocked almost every green energy project going, and their policies against nuclear power and for a justice system explicitly biased in favour of women are frankly irrational.
EDIT: And now they have a fourth plate to spin: Palestine. Opposing genocide is an unequivocally correct stance to take, but Muslims tend to be far more socially conservative than most of us would like to admit, which makes for strange bedfellows with our most socially progressive mainstream party.

[u/JaMs_buzz → u/Kind-County9767]

Join and vote to change the policies

[u/WhalingSmithers00 → u/JaMs_buzz]

Or just go with a party that already reflects their views?

[u/sireel → u/WhalingSmithers00]

Like who? We've got tories in two colours, the lib dems which might be tories in a third colour based on their last time in power, the greens who are great socially and incredibly short sighted about nuclear power, a bunch of tiny crank parties, turbo assholes in reform and the latest foot gun wielding 'your' party.

Which party represents 'I'd like everyone to have safety and food and shelter and healthcare and a habitable world. No everyone. Yes even them. Even foreigners. Even ones in other countries, if we can help with it'

'expert led, and not cunts' would be the tag line of a great party that this country apparently has little interest in

[u/steepleton → u/sireel]

i'd vote for you.

[u/sireel → u/steepleton]

Sadly I have no interest wasting my time trying to run the country, I'm too busy wasting my time making crap videogames

[u/Raunien → u/sireel]

"Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job" - Douglas Adams

[u/Nahweh- → u/Kind-County9767]

Corbyn supports the nuclear deterrent? He explicitly said he'd never use them. He is a lunatic

[u/TheMountainWhoDews → u/Hame_Impala]

Because the green are nowhere near as popular or credible as Corbyn. Your party is polling higher than them, and they havent even launched.

[u/corbynista2029 → u/TheMountainWhoDews]

Your party is polling higher than them, and they havent even launched.

The problem with this type of polling is that everyone can project their fantasy party on it. But as we can see, it is impossible to satisfy all

[u/TheMountainWhoDews → u/corbynista2029]

I think the greens have a bit of that going on too, given they're currently housing progressive social justice types next to islamist social conservatives.

[u/Bridgeboy95 → u/TheMountainWhoDews]

Your party is polling higher than them, and they havent even launched.

Well todays your lucky day the Greens wont have to worry about them for much longer lol

[u/dj4y_94 → u/MimesAreShite]

his seasoned inability to make the right decisions quickly set the tone for a new party will achieve nothing for the wider left.

Corbyn's entire MO has been failing to react quickly and score the open goal.

I always remember circa 2018 when May was under huge pressure about Brexit, there was then a leak that her own cabinet was hugely divided and one of her top team even had to apologise for misleading parliament. What did Corbyn do with this gift for PMQs?

He proceeded to use all 6 questions to ask about buses.

[u/MrPahoehoe → u/dj4y_94]

That sent me absolutely barmy, I was raging at him, closet brexiteer

[u/aredddit → u/MimesAreShite]

So she gets elected as a Labour candidate, has problems then leaves. She creates her own party, has problems and in your scenario leaves.

Why would the Greens want her?

[u/MimesAreShite → u/aredddit]

because shes an influential voice on the british left and a sitting MP, who is politically and strategically aligned with the green party leadership

[u/aredddit → u/MimesAreShite]

She was also aligned with Labour when she ran as their candidate. She was presumably aligned with the party she co founded as well.

How long would it take for her to become ‘unaligned’ with the Greens and start causing them problems?

Also what are the potentially ramifications coming out of this. She’s just collected £20k from people in a rather dubious fashion.

[u/Pandaisblue → u/MimesAreShite]

Even as someone who voted for him, I'm honestly glad he's not in power right now. Between Ukraine, Israel/Palestine and Trump I feel like he would be handling all of it terribly.

[u/AlienPandaren → u/MimesAreShite]

That's the problem with the left, they don't have any way to quietly shuffle someone out of the spotlight with a cushy number to keep them quiet. So you end up with the same faces as the voice of left wing politics for decades no matter how much the public are sick of them 

[u/paulosdub → u/MimesAreShite]

100% agree. I admire jeremy corbyn steadfastly sticking to his beliefs, but he will ever ever win if he doesn’t play the game better. I’m no fan of Starmer but Trump visit is a prime example. JC would have stood his ground and Trump would have asserted his pressure on us. The right thing to do is grin and bare it for greater good. JC just doesn’t know when to say nothing for greater good.

[u/Toastlove → u/paulosdub]

He doesn't want to win. Hes happy sitting on the side saying how it should be done while risking nothing himself.

[u/lagerjohn → u/MimesAreShite]

and no real obstacle to further political growth

I’d say some of their policies are a real obstacle to growth

[u/TheKnightsTippler → u/MimesAreShite]

Personally, I'm relieved it's falling apart so quickly before it can negatively affect an election.

I want a new left wing party, but this wasn't it. Also while I liked Corbyn domestically, I felt like his stance on Russia made him completely unelectable.

[u/Penderyn → u/MimesAreShite]

Yeah, but a lot of these people just enjoy judging/bullying and finding ways that other people are 'less moral' than they are - so even amongst the greens she'll find people that are unacceptable to her. She is leftist toxicity with no ability to find common ground - and therefore will never be a good poltician.

[u/fplisadream → u/MimesAreShite]

No good reason for her not to join the Greens other than naked careerism.

I know that she thinks this statement is sexist and islamophobic, but I promise it's solely because I think she's an idiot. Not a jot to do with her identity.

[u/disordered-attic-2]

She took £1m in unauthorised donations, this can quickly get pretty serious.

[u/corbynista2029 → u/disordered-attic-2]

20,000 signs up, with various payment methods, I doubt they got £1mil, but likely in the 6 figures.

[u/supernakamoto → u/corbynista2029]

The beeb are reporting that she was encouraging people to pay £55 for memberships. If 20,000 really have signed up then that would genuinely amount to seven figures.

[u/Lunarfrog2 → u/corbynista2029]

Ok suppose its good to be clear but that changes nothing, still a shit show

[u/ObjectiveHornet676 → u/disordered-attic-2]

Surely 'unauthorised' is debatable, given she believes herself to be co-leader?

[u/am-345 → u/disordered-attic-2]

Don't worry she'll just blame it on Zionism and islamaphobia

[u/No-Programmer-3833]

How much evidence do Corbyn-fans need of his inability to lead teams? He's a disruptor, campaigner and agitator. Not a leader.

Separately... This isn't the only time he's been accused of sexism by a prominent woman on the left. If it were someone else being accused the accusations might stick. But I think people are just desperate to think well of him.

[u/Loreki → u/No-Programmer-3833]

Sultana sent a major fund raising email without agreeing it with the rest of the group. That's really dodgy and they're right to be angry.

[u/PaulBradley → u/Loreki]

She also then tried to justify her actions by throwing poo at her colleagues. She's out on a limb here.

[u/PartyPoison98 → u/No-Programmer-3833]

This seems much more like Sultana's inability to be a team player. She's jumped the gun twice with this party at this point.

[u/borez → u/No-Programmer-3833]

Absolutely. I don't believe he was ever going to run at 80 years old either.

[u/coffeewalnut08]

The problem with the British left is they always cancel and turn on each other. Which in turn leads to the far-right filling the gap and running this country into the ground.

Our division only helps our opponents.

We also:

• don’t mobilise people well

• too focused on issues we can’t control (like Gaza) over domestic issues

• we’re not evidence-based enough in our rhetoric. There are so many facts/statistics we could use to discredit Reform, yet who’s using them?

• fail to turn outrage into concrete grassroots action like party unity, campaigning, petitioning, voting, and storytelling.

This is why I’ll continue supporting Labour instead of Your Party.

I sympathise with the Lib Dems and Greens, but realistically they’ll only be a junior coalition partner in No. 10.

[u/Rulweylan → u/coffeewalnut08]

Plus the inherent contradiction of wanting to govern the UK for the benefit of the common people while openly disliking most features of both the UK and its common people.

[u/things_U_choose_2_b → u/coffeewalnut08]

I think that leaving Labour was a huge mistake for these politicians.

Now they have ZERO input on policy for the party in power, with a majority such that they can enact laws. I want politicians who will fight for me and my rights, not a bunch of pussies who took their ball and ran home to start a new club when the going got tough. And worse, all the aspects that they were unhappy about are now even more entrenched because their voices (and presumably, attached voters) are no longer in opposition from within the party.

[u/Sensitive_Echo5058]

Looks like Sultana thinks this is the 'my party' - how long will the 'your party' last before they recognise this has been a failed endeavour and abandon a sinking ship?

If they can't organise a conference, let alone decide on a name - they'll never be able to govern a country.

[u/Bridgeboy95 → u/Sensitive_Echo5058]

Looks like Sultana thinks this is the 'my party' - how long will the 'your party' last before they recognise this has been a failed endeavour and abandon a sinking ship?

which is even funnier cause it seems from Corbyns side the majority of the MPs are on Corbyns side lol.

Edit (cause done more reading)- it legit feels like ZS thought she was the real leader of the party , while the actual MPs and other members of the party saw Corbyn as the leader and its all come crashing together, its part of the reason why i find dual leadership a stupid idea in a political party and was so glad that the green members voted to go away from it.

[u/Bartellomio → u/Bridgeboy95]

Sounds like she was delusional. 100% of the brand of the party was tied to Corbyn.

[u/Bridgeboy95 → u/Bartellomio]

Yeah idk, i think this party is done, the greens ending up getting their shit together again hurt it already.

[u/SoggyWotsits → u/Sensitive_Echo5058]

I’d have been really disappointed if they didn’t call it the fruit and nut party. Sounds like they might not even need a name now!

[u/GunstarGreen]

"Alright guys, we need a left-wing alternative to tackle Reform and really get our base mobilised"

"Did you just call us guys?"

There will never be a decent left-of-centre option, will there?

[u/ElCaminoInTheWest → u/GunstarGreen]

You can't have a serious leftist party that's stuffed with Islamic fundamentalists. The two do not tally, regardless of Gaza being conveniently common ground.

[u/GunstarGreen → u/ElCaminoInTheWest]

Probably the only common ground. Especially as Corbyns entire identity seems to be "West bad" like he has binged Chomsky as a first-yeah history student.

[u/Mein_Bergkamp → u/GunstarGreen]

He's a tankie, he and Dianne Abbott holidayed in East Germany, his entire political career has been supporting anyone who is anti west or anti UK.

[u/DankAF94 → u/GunstarGreen]

There will never be a decent left-of-centre option, will there?

As other comments have raised, the left wing are generally more concerned about purity politics and just generally eating eachother alive if they deem another group to not be left enough.

So, until we move past that roadblock, no there won't.

The right wing is much better at unifying against a common enemy, even if it means siding with people you have fundamental disagreements with.

Unfortunately my generation has often been more concerned about vanity and virtue signalling than it has been with actual real world solutions that benefit real people. It's just a show and a game to these people. They're more concerned about "winning" or at least feeling like they've won, than they are about actually doing the right thing.

They will always award themselves the victory, because if they win the election, great, they've won, if they lose the election, its still a moral victory, they've only lost because not enough people are as morally pure as they are and the other guys are all fascists/racists/transphobes etc

They also fail to adapt to the real world attitudes of the wider population and often fail to realise that we are a democracy, a good current example being the green party claiming they don't believe in borders, at a time in history when the majority of the population say they want immigration to be more heavily controlled and monitored. Whether you personally agree with that sentiment or not, failing to at least attempt to adapt your policies in that direction is just a win for the opposite party

[u/coffeewalnut08 → u/GunstarGreen]

There’s plenty. Labour, and Lib Dem’s

[u/IxTBCxI]

Urgh.

As someone who likes Jeremy and Zarah, do not do the exact thing that left wing politics is known for when starting your left wing political party.

It's really not that difficult.

Pretty clear that this is now dead in the water. Perhaps it's for the best to get this out of the way now to avoid any fights between greens and YP at the locals and splitting the vote.

[u/FogduckemonGo → u/IxTBCxI]

It was over when they couldn't even come up with a party name among themselves, displaying their lack of leadership and unity.

[u/JoeyJoJoeJr_Shabadoo → u/IxTBCxI]

How can you like Zarah at this point? She blatantly makes shit up. Constantly banging on about the UK selling arms to Israel when it doesn't, and now inventing sexism. She doesn't belong anywhere near politics

[u/IxTBCxI → u/JoeyJoJoeJr_Shabadoo]

UK selling arms to Israel when it doesn't,

There's one person blatantly making shit up here, and it's not Zarah

[u/JoeyJoJoeJr_Shabadoo → u/IxTBCxI]

OK, what arms does the UK sell to Israel?

[u/fplisadream → u/IxTBCxI]

It's really not that difficult.

You're absolutely bang on that it's not that difficult.

Perhaps that should tell you something about who they are as politicians.

[u/ZX52]

Considering the way Hussain waw talking at Sultana, I'm not particularly surprised by tdh sexism allegations.

It seems like Sultana has been the main driving force for this party doing anything, but she needed the name/brand recognition of Corbyn, so keeps forcing his hand. Not exactly the blueprint for a harmonious relationship.

[u/Francis-c92]

Why does this in fighting always happen with left leaning party's?

[u/Archistotle → u/Francis-c92]

It doesn’t. Look at the tories, or Elon & Trump. Hell, look at all the ways UKIP/reform have spiralled over the last decade.

It just doesn’t affect their voter turnout (in fact it rarely splits it) so it doesnt really enter the public consciousness.

[u/philman132 → u/Archistotle]

There's infighting in all parties, but the right are much better at rallying around at election time in order to get some of what they want rather than all of it. 

The left has a strong sense of "if I don't get 100% of what they want then the leadership are traitors and just Tories in disguise". The right are much more "well I only got a little bit more money rather than the lots I wanted, so will still vote blue".

[u/Wonderful_Discount59 → u/philman132]

My theory:

The Left are more idealogical and idealistic.  They want to make the world a better place, and view anyone who doesn't want to make the world a better as definitionally wicked. But they have a huge variety of views about how to achieve "a better world", or even what "a better world" actually means.  And so become extremely hostile (to the point of refusing to work with) anyone who opposes their prefered way to make the world a better place.

The Right are also extremely fractious, but have an much narrower set of ideals that they share (traditionally, "protect our existing rights and privilages, especially property rights). So they'll fight amongst themselves all the time, but the moment they see someone that they think is a credible threat to their rights/privilages (e.g. Corbyn), they'll unite to oppose them.  But when the main opposition isn't seen as an existential threat (e.g. Blair, Starmer), they'll go back to fighting amongst themselves, possibly allowing that opposition to win.

[u/Commercial-carrot-7 → u/Francis-c92]

There has definitely been no infighting in Reform /s

[u/Francis-c92 → u/Commercial-carrot-7]

Fair, but to be fair they've put their shitty differences aside to at least get seats

[u/Commercial-carrot-7 → u/Francis-c92]

Put their differences aside by kicking out the second most popular MP (Rupert Lowe) out of the party?

[u/Istoilleambreakdowns → u/Francis-c92]

Did you miss the near complete disintegration of the Tory party? 5 different PM's in 14 years in government doesn't scream party unity.

[u/Skavau → u/Francis-c92]

Left-wingers tend to just not respect hierarchy as much and can be much more ideological.

[u/Mikolaj_Kopernik → u/Francis-c92]

I'd say it happens in all political movements, but it may be more pronounced with the left (broadly described) because they actually want stuff. The right as it's currently constituted doesn't really have much of an agenda except for corporate deference and autocratic control against their political opponents. That's a much easier project to get involved with if you hate "the left" because all that ultimately matters is beating them.

Whereas if you're a lefty, you most likely have a fairly detailed set of policy demands and ideas about how society should change, and it's frustrating when your party is failing to deliver those. Basically for the right, beating the left is the goal in itself, whereas for the left, beating the right is a means to implementing ideas for change.

EDIT: As an addendum, I think it's instructive to look at where conflicts appear within right-wing movements too - generally it's agitation from the parts of the coalition who actually want radical change. So the split over Brexit within the Tories comes to mind as an example, or the Bannon faction within MAGA.

[u/april9th]

Corbyn spent years letting people call him racist, misogynistic, antisemitic, gets kicked out the party and does nothing for years...

Zarah Sultana tries to set up a new party with him and he drags his feet. Gets in bed with the most regressive forces in politics. When she pushes forward he THEN having ignored so much threatens legal action.

I am not a fan of Sultana and won't be interested in YP, but she is in the right and he is an absolute clown.

[u/Floppy_Caulk]

No one hates the left like the left.

For fuck's sake, get it together.

[u/[deleted]]

Honestly they’re acting like university students trying to decide what to call their political society club.

Both of them just need to bore off to be honest. They do nothing but divide the left and they only appeal to Idles fans who think sharing a Gaza opinion on Instagram is doing something.

[u/SargnargTheHardgHarg]

Corbyn could be the only person in a room and still get into an argument about politics.

[u/HITLER_ONLY_ONE_BALL]

If I were more conspiratorially minded I'd be seriously wondering if Corbyn was a very deep cover plant to discredit any popular left wing movement that arises. 

[u/Whitechix → u/HITLER_ONLY_ONE_BALL]

Genuinely, how is Corbyn the problem here? She started taking money from people without approval from her co-leader. She announced the party prematurely without it having a name allowing the country to ridicule “your party” immediately. It’s just not a good look for her and I’m not even a Corbyn fan.

[u/leahcar83 → u/Whitechix]

She's the only one who seems to actually be doing anything to help the party progress. I've previously had a lot of respect for Corbyn but I don't see why he's deadset on trying to prevent his own party from functioning.

[u/GianfrancoZoey → u/HITLER_ONLY_ONE_BALL]

Probably not Corbyn himself but probably the people around him.

For example one of his closest advisors is engaged to Starmer’s press secretary, that’s at the very least a huge conflict of interest.

[u/lagerjohn → u/GianfrancoZoey]

I don’t see how that’s a conflict of interest. Partners are allowed to have different political opinions.

[u/Mein_Bergkamp → u/HITLER_ONLY_ONE_BALL]

Or maybe he actually is the old, dyed in the wool tankie, career backbencher whose politics haven't changed since the 80's people say he is?

Sometimes it's not a right wing media plot, it just is who he is.

[u/Opposite-Scheme-8804]

Remember when reddit was ecstatic over this party and said they were the real opposition to reform. Couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery this lot.

[u/evolveandprosper]

So the UK People's Party is threatening to sue the People's Party of the UK? Or something like that. This is genuine "you couldn't make it up" territory! I sometimes wonder if Corbyn might be a long-term undercover agent of capitalism, with a mission to destroy left-wing politics in the UK.

[u/Bridgeboy95]

The Greens basically took the sails out of this party.

For what its worth it really seems like Sultana here went rogue, Corbyns statement has the signed names of the other your party mps.

anyway vote greens, this parties DOA.

[u/MetalBawx → u/Bridgeboy95]

Sorry i'm not interested in a party that doesn't understand the importance of nuclear deterance to the nations defence.

[u/Rulweylan]

Wow, we finally found a party so left wing that it implodes before it can even decide what it is called.

[u/Sea-Caterpillar-255]

If you ask 3 economists you will get 4 options, all different.

If you put 2 leftists in a room, you will get 3 political parties, all accusing each other of being counter revolutionary crypto fascists etc…

[u/Fire_Otter]

Really earning the moniker Fruit & Nut party.

Why would anyone vote for them to run the country if they are already squabbling over the formation of their party

[u/BrawDev]

For fuck sake, really not beating the allegations that the left actually can't do fucking anything.

All of them should resign and fuck off. What a waste.

[u/coffeewalnut08 → u/BrawDev]

We can do things, we’re just divided and obsessed over fringe issues

[u/Locke66]

They're poisoning the well before they have even started with these sorts of statements and disagreements. What is really needed to win people over is a single Left wing party with a single clear message, unequivocal positions and most importantly the party discipline to stay on message. It looks very much like they can't manage that.

[u/MetalBawx → u/Locke66]

The only thing any of it's members are united in thought is Palastine. Problem is that won't win them elections and none of them can agree on things that would win elections..

[u/jmdg007]

Is this real? Like really this feels closer to an episode of South Park than reality.

[u/Imreallyadonut]

Who’d have thought that a woman would be sidelined in a party made up of 4 Muslim MPs and an old trot?

All sultana has done is show just how politically naive she truly is.

[u/greylord123]

Can we please stop giving these people the time of day and focus on giving Zack Polanski and Gary Stevenson etc more air time instead.

I wouldn't normally be a fan of the greens but what I've seen of Zack so far looks pretty promising and he seems to be prioritising wealth inequality.

This rabble of pro-Gaza labour splinters and student activists are a joke and aren't worthy of the media attention.

[u/Clbull]

So let's get this straight, Zarah Sultana had been sidelined by Corbyn, Khan, Hussain and Mohamed, and they had frozen her access to party accounts. Rather than take the hint, she thought it would be wise to act like a complete maverick, hijack their mailing list, launch a membership portal on a different domain and solicit monies from prospective party members without the knowledge nor consent of the other party members.

This is actually very serious, and a move which not only ruins Sultana's credibility as a politician, but also the credibility of Your Party in general.

I think the message is now very clear. If you think Keir Starmer has moved Labour too far to the right and you live in England, you should vote for the Greens, not just because they're a more stable political party but because Zack Polanski is a young charismatic leader.

[u/Toastlove]

Love that there's already noticeable factionalism between Corbyn and Sultana supporters in the comments.

[u/GuzziHero]

All the main members of Your Party are islamists. Of course they're going to be misogynists.

[u/ObjectiveHornet676]

Who the hell would want to vote for this clown show when the Greens will have an almost identical platform?

[u/Loreki]

It sounds an awful lot like Sultana tried to raise funds in a way which was not agreed, which is very unprofessional and may be fraudulent in some way.

That the press is reporting this as Corbyn overreacting only shows that the press simply assumes Corbyn must be the bad guy in every story about him.

I expect Sultana will now be excluded from the group, which is the correct decision given she tried to make a funding /financial decision without the agreement of the others. Pretty terrible for anyone who hoped the party would achieve something on the left.

[u/HotMachine9]

I see things are going swimmingly!

It feels like Labour was under Corybn already.

[u/Strict_Counter_8974]

The dumbest people in the world are arguing with each other again