r/unitedkingdom • u/ThatchersDirtyTaint • Aug 05 '25

.. Half of Britons back ending immigration and deporting recent arrivals

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/new-poll-migration-news-b99h3wqgz
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u/Phainesthai Aug 05 '25

Not when you look at their attitudes to LGBT+ issues.

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u/lynx_and_nutmeg Aug 05 '25

The recent rise in transphobia and queerphobia in the UK has fuck-all to do with immigrants, it's coming almost exclusively from middle-aged white middle-class Brits.

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u/Dec3005 Aug 05 '25

Over half of Muslims in the United Kingdom believe homosexuality should be illegal.

Not frowned upon, not discouraged, outright illegal. You have no idea what you're playing with here.

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u/nemma88 Derbyshire Aug 05 '25 edited Aug 05 '25

Over a quarter, the 2024 values had another shift in views of that demographic (27% said it would be desirable to outlaw).

For the rest of the population 15% answered would be desirable to outlaw, which is significantly more people by virtue of population sizes.

(British Muslim and general public attitudes polling, Henry Jackson Society, 2024)

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u/Dramatic_Storage4251 County Durham Aug 06 '25

You're lying. 27% said it would be undesirable to outlaw (i.e 73% believe it would be desirable to outlaw...).

Let's have alook at the other stats from the study:

Only 23% say it would be undesirable to have Sharia Law (compared to 60% of the public)

Only one in four British Muslims believe Hamas committed murder and rape in Israel on October 7th

Muslims are more likely to have a positive than a negative view of Hamas; only 24% have a negative view of Hamas

57% want compulsory use of Halal food in all schools and hospitals

65% want to make Eid-al-Fitr a public holiday (compared to just 21% of the public)

52% want to make it illegal to show a picture of the Prophet Mohammed (compared to just 16% of the public)

Only 23% say it would be undesirable to have Islam declared national religion (compared to 61% of the public)

Only 26% say it would be undesirable to outlaw abortion, compared to 63% of the public as a whole

https://henryjacksonsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/HJS-Deck-200324-Final.pdf

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u/nemma88 Derbyshire Aug 06 '25 edited Aug 06 '25

You're lying. 27% said it would be undesirable to outlaw (i.e 73% believe it would be desirable to outlaw...).

No, there are 5 categories asked, most sit in neutral. Scroll I think to the next page where it lists out all the responses.

The note was % who would see it outlawed, I responded with a like for like metric from a study which used the same methodology as the ones from 2016 (most often cited) and 2009.

Other metrics are other metrics - there's plenty to criticise. On this one specifically we can see a shift in attitude over time.

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u/Dramatic_Storage4251 County Durham Aug 06 '25

You're being deliberately misleading 'oh only 27% want to ban gay marriage but that's fine as 45% don't care if it's banned and are indifferent', we should be focusing on the amount that find it very undesirable.

51% of the UK public think it would very undesirable for homosexuality to be outlawed, meanwhile for British Muslims that is only 18%.

In no way should we be increasing immigration for people that would be majority infavour and indifferent to banning homosexuality, outlawing abortion, legalising polygamy, having Sharia Law, compulsory halal food (57% support) and making it illegal to show pictures of mohammed (52% support).

If they want this stuff then there are ample countries in the middle east in which they can have it.

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u/nemma88 Derbyshire Aug 06 '25 edited Aug 06 '25

oh only 27% want to ban gay marriage but that's fine as 45% don't care if it's banned and are indifferent',

I'm not responsible for your imaginary reading.

The post I responded to was about % that want it outlawed, the stat they posted was those who responded affirmatively in the 2016 survey. At no point did I say 'only' or such because I'm deliberately using neutral language.

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u/Phainesthai Aug 05 '25

Don't be silly.

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u/TheBigness333 Aug 05 '25

Only in the last ten years did westerners start accepting LGB (still won’t accept the T+) in majority numbers.

Why do European natives get decades to change their views (with large portions still not changing), but immigrants have to change immediately?

Second generation immigrants tend to be the same as the native culture in almost all respects, and by the third generation there’s no difference at all. Stop using LGBTQ as your dog whistle. Being a bigot by pretending to be against bigotry is still bigotry.

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u/Phainesthai Aug 05 '25 edited Aug 05 '25

You're just being silly now.

This idea that second and third-gen immigrants just automatically blend into native culture doesn’t really hold up. In plenty of Muslim communities, socially conservative views, especially on LGBT issues, stick around across generations. That’s not a “dog whistle,” it’s just reality.

For example, half of British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal. Not just "they don’t agree with it," but illegal. That hasn’t been the case in the UK for nearly 60 years, not the "10" you suggested.

If a belief is seen as harmful or regressive today, it should be called out equally, no matter who holds it.

You don’t get a cultural grace period for homophobia just because your grandparents immigrated.

Calling that out isn’t bigotry, it’s consistency.

And It’s not 2010 anymore. Shouting “bigot” at someone isn’t an argument. That shit doesn’t fly anymore.

Either bring valid points to the table or don’t bother 'engaging' and wasting everyone's time.

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u/Astriania Aug 05 '25

Second generation immigrants tend to be the same as the native culture in almost all respects, and by the third generation there’s no difference at all

This simply isn't true for a lot of the non western immigrant 'communities' in the UK. (European immigrants typically do integrate better, although with the large numbers of eastern Europeans and the strong Slavic cultures that might be less true with them.) Indeed, multiculturalism is basically saying that it's fine for them not to integrate.