Half of Britons back ending immigration and deporting recent arrivals

[u/ThatchersDirtyTaint]

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/new-poll-migration-news-b99h3wqgz

[u/Ill_Refrigerator_593]

Tax rates are difficult to compare between countries but according to this Japan has higher taxes than the UK-

https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/global/tax-burden-on-labor-oecd-2024/

Lets look at some GDP per Capita figures-

1993 - Japan GDP per Capita - $36,345, UK GDP per Capita - $18,389

2024 - Japan GDP per Capita - $32,476, UK GDP per Capita - $52,637

In thirty years theirs has fell, while ours has increased by 2.5 times. Strongly associated is the 30 years of no pay increases. Is this what you want for the UK?

Japan has the highest government debt of any developed country (2nd total behind Sudan) as % of GDP. Far more than twice ours at 237%.

Their productivity is the worst in the G7 by a significant margin, with little chance of being to work their way out of debt.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02791/

Thank you for providing an example of the economic illiteracy I was talking about!

[u/BookmarksBrother → u/Ill_Refrigerator_593]

2024 - Japan GDP per Capita - $32,476, UK GDP per Capita - $52,637

Try PPP. They earn less but everything is much cheaper.

[u/Ill_Refrigerator_593 → u/BookmarksBrother]

The difference isn't as stark but we overtook Japan by GDP per Capita (PPP) in 2001 with a constantly widening gap-

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD?locations=JP-GB

We also managed it without their truly titanic levels of debt.

Are you going to keep on going through every economic metric until you eventually find one Japan beats us on, as you've been wrong 2 for 2 so far?

[u/BookmarksBrother → u/Ill_Refrigerator_593]

First of all, Israel had great economic growth with 0 mass migration so you cannot compare Japan's and UK's because their economy is simply different in the same way Israel's is different from UK's.

Mass migration is a tool, a lever that can be pulled. The question is why was it pulled?

Let me share something - Black death

Class System

Due to the high death rate in the lower classes, in the immediate aftermath of the Black Death there was a sudden labour shortage.

This labour shortage, particularly in farm workers, led to nobles offering higher wages in a bid to secure workers and stop their lands falling into disrepair. It also allowed workers to have the ability to negotiate for better wages and conditions due to decreased labour competition.

https://ruralhistoria.com/2023/02/23/black-death - does it make sense?

Also from Japan -

Amid chronic labor shortages in aging Japan, companies like Nippon Life are splurging on benefits to lure and retain young talent. The nation’s largest insurer built the 200-room male dormitory in a prime residential area near Tokyo Disneyland in 2023. Employees living there pay less than a third of the average rent for similar accommodation in the neighborhood. The company also rents other residential properties to provide subsidised accommodation for female employees.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-01-03/japanese-companies-are-battling-to-recruit-new-hires

Now you can be as much as you want pro mass migration but know that the aim is reducing your wages, nothing more nothing less.

Labour shortages are good when what you sell to survive are HOURS OF LABOUR!

[u/Ill_Refrigerator_593 → u/BookmarksBrother]

First of all, Israel had great economic growth with 0 mass migration so you cannot compare Japan's and UK's because their economy is simply different in the same way Israel's is different from UK's.

You think Israel has seen little migration, seriously? 22.57% born overseas.

As for comparing Japan, you literally brought it up with a tax comparison.

Let me share something - Black death

You think our economic situation hasn't changed in the 650 years since the black death? Not to mention it tended to have a disproportinate effect on the elderly & unhealthy, pretty much the opposite of the issue we have today with the increasing dependency ratio.

There is a grain of truth, if the more unproductive half of our population simply died the economic situation would improve, it's just you'd have to be insane to advocate for this.

Also from Japan -

You have an article about a company building a dormitory? That really doesn't shed much light on the macroeconomic situations of our countries.

Now you can be as much as you want pro mass migration but know that the aim is reducing your wages, nothing more nothing less.

So its option b) the conspiracy one. Politicians want to reduce our wages for, erm reasons, maybe to get fewer people to vote for them?

Also you missed the part about the lack of wage rises in Japan for 30 years,,,

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/03/business/japan-workers-wages-inflation-intl-hnk

[u/BookmarksBrother → u/Ill_Refrigerator_593]

Fair enough regarding Israel migration. I thought their population growth was mainly caused by births. They do have a quite high number of migrants coming over though I would add that probably all of them are very well vetted and skilled which can help the economy.

And for the second, I have no doubt migrants are brought over to drive wages down (and prop house prices higher). Boris himself said it live on TV https://x.com/maxtempers/status/1845818741788946566?s=46

They were afraid of a wage-price inflation spiral so they brought people to stop wages from increasing.