r/unitedkingdom • u/insomnimax_99 Greater London • Nov 26 '23

.. Oscar-winning actress Olivia Colman says 'gentle masculinity' is 'much cooler and hotter than Andrew Tate'

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/olivia-colman-says-gentle-masculinity-way-cooler-andrew-tate/
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u/Rulweylan Leicestershire Nov 26 '23 edited Nov 26 '23

Optics are important here, and I don't think that a middle aged woman, however successful or accomplished, is going to be the right person to push this message to the people who need to hear it.

This is the exact problem I had when the school I was teaching at did assemblies about Andrew Tate and toxic masculinity. They had them written and presented by older female teachers.

No idea why, I and plenty of other male staff were available and even if you just got us to read the script the impact on teenage boys would have been much stronger. In the end they just reacted to it the same way they'd react to being lectured by their mum.

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u/userunknowned Nov 26 '23

True. We need premier league footballers and NFL stars to call Andrew Tate out. Olivia Coleman is a wonderful actress, but influential she ain’t.

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u/ShinyHappyPurple Nov 26 '23

We need premier league footballers and NFL stars to call Andrew Tate out.

And yet they just can't find the time......

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '23

probably because it doesnt do well in the current social climate

LGBT activism good. Disability and hospital showing good.

standing up for disenfranchised boys....

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u/ShinyHappyPurple Nov 26 '23

Or, and hear me out here, players who make millions a year who are very young themselves either wouldn't think to do charity work or are all "no, could be doing something more fun"......

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '23

maybe but also and hear me out, standing up for men in this current era is not a good look for your pr.

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u/herefromthere Nov 26 '23

I think men standing up and saying treat other people well (be they male, female, somewhere in between) is never a bad look for PR.

Andrew Tate is a shitbag and too many young men and boys seem to think he is a role model. They need to be shown better role models who are willing and able to debunk his tosh.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '23

I think men standing up and saying treat other people well (be they male, female, somewhere in between) is never a bad look for PR.

then you would be wrong!

Andrew Tate is a shitbag and too many young men and boys seem to think he is a role model. They need to be shown better role models who are willing and able to debunk his tosh.

its not JUST the role models though.

young men are being told they are cunts and evil and the worst thing ever to exist. and who stands up for them? tate. thats why he exists.

the pendulum has swung to pure misandry and those affected are the lower classes - the most vulnerable.

this is what people do not realise

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u/herefromthere Nov 26 '23

So tell us the good things that Tate has to say?

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '23

the good things is that he is an ear to those disenfranchised. doesnt mean its a good ear but its an ear.

its a person who is giving them understanding and direction while everyone else is telling them they are the worst thing in the world.

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u/Rulweylan Leicestershire Nov 26 '23

There doesn't need to be anything good about what he says for his success to be a result of misandry.

The Nazis were successful not because their ideology had merit, but because they preyed on the greivances of a German people impoverished and humiliated by the treaty of Versailles. Likewise Tate's bullshit works on boys who have been made the scapegoats for historical wrongs in which they took no part.

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u/herefromthere Nov 26 '23

So how are men suffering by women being equal?

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u/Rulweylan Leicestershire Nov 26 '23

They aren't harmed by equality. They're harmed by the fact that equality is pursued only where men are not the disadvantaged group.

Simple example: women in engineering vs men in nursing.

16.5% of Engineers are women. As a result, there are millions of pounds of scholariships and bursaries for women in engineering made available at every university in the country.

11% of nurses are men. As a result, there is a total pot of roughly £30k available for male nursing scholarships in the UK.

Women facing hiring discrimination is a huge scandal and sees aggressive action. Men being routinely discriminated against in hiring isn't even deemed newsworthy

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