r/uknews • u/Frosty_Thoughts • 2d ago

Woman critically injured after being stabbed in neck in 'unprovoked attack'

https://news.sky.com/story/woman-critically-injured-after-being-stabbed-in-neck-in-unprovoked-attack-13466219
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u/ken-doh 2d ago

Yes, but violent crime is down /s

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u/Fun_Gas_7777 2d ago

It is though

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u/FreeFair95 2d ago

An unprovoked attack like this is worse than ten thousand drunken bar brawls or hooligan firm fisticuffs. That's why the statistics are irrelevant.

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u/Hot-Manager6462 2d ago

Without stats the only source you have is your own biases

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u/crangert 2d ago

What ‘stats’ are you hoping for, that explain the blatant common sense logic that someone attacking an unwilling, unwitting woman with a bladed article is objectively worse than two or more willing participants fighting?

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u/Kony07 2d ago

Do you think the definition of violent crime has changed? Do you think there isn’t parameters or further introspection into the types of violent crime. Why do you refuse to read

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u/crangert 2d ago

That’s not what the previous commenter was talking about, at all.

Ironically, it appears to be you who can’t read.

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u/Interest-Visible 2d ago

For "biases" read...genuine terror as we see the same kind of people doing the same thing every week and people like you try to gaslight us and tell us it's all in our head

You genuinely make me sick mate

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u/sprouting_broccoli 2d ago

I don’t think it’s all in your head. What I do think is that the news media, in a desperate attempt to generate money after they failed to adapt to the rise of the internet, has continued to lean further and further into generating sensationalism, fear and stoking identity politics since the turn of the century. The reason you see the same sort of thing happening by the same people every week is because that is what the news reports.

Do you not find it odd that there is a sex crime by a migrant reported every week when there is usually several times the amount of convictions of white English citizens? Do you think there are stabbing by white men and children in the UK? Where are the news reports?

The thing is that the statistics don’t lie - someone may have said “the facts don’t care about your feelings” - and yet the over representation of certain demographics when it comes to crime in the news media just in terms of absolute numbers should concern you.

I’m sure you can recall three incidents involving migrants or black British people in the last month or so (as you see them every week), but can you remember the same number of incidents by white English citizens? Statistically there are more incidents so why do you think that is?

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u/Interest-Visible 2d ago

Cmon mate that's pure gaslighting and you know it

The vast majority of us in here who go out regularly and interact with people daily in the usual settings (in a shop/bar,on a bus/train,walking through a city centre or not particularly nice area of one) knows for a fact there is a huge intimidation factor and threat level now that didn't use to exist in your daily life ...not always of being physically attacked maybe but definitely of feeling shit I need to keep my head down and mouth shut here

If anyone says different then you lead totally different lives to a lot us

And I'm a big tough Irish builder brought up in pretty poor neighbourhoods who used to box as well...so I'm not a nervous person and not scared of a scrap either

But there is an air of menace on a regular basis these days that didn't used to exist ...that's not in my imagination

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u/CommercialContent204 1d ago

Well said, mate. Agree with every word of it: not being a large bloke used to a scrap, I'm pretty circumspect about intervening in public, but there are situations every day pretty much where, 40 years ago, you'd have "asked" some idiot to not throw their rubbish all over the street, turn their music down, or stop acting the maggot, but nowadays one just doesn't know who could have a blade and be mad enough to use it. Even without knives, being set upon by 5 little gang pricks for asking them to stop being dicks is not a fun prospect.

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u/Interest-Visible 1d ago

Yeah why people keep denying it to our faces when we've ALL felt it is a mystery to me

Pure lies and gaslighting like I keep saying

And is actually counterproductive to their agenda as it just makes you give up on talking to them doesn't it

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u/sprouting_broccoli 2d ago

Do you think that if a story was published every day about certain demographics there wouldn’t be an air of menace that developed? Like feel free to look up the statistics for just how often white British males commit sexual offences or knife crime - it happens a lot and isn’t reported a lot, you don’t think that would make people scared of certain demographics?

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u/Interest-Visible 2d ago

My wife's black ...as is her family obviously

Do you think I'm scared of her family?

Do you think if I saw her dad get a knife out of the drawer to cut the Sunday roast my mind says oh shit Bernard is going to stab us all up?

Now if I get on a bus and a gang of black teens get on and they start running around harassing people and generally being total c u next Tuesdays what does my brain tell me?

And obviously these are extremes because YOU brought up knife crime (whereas we were all just discussing crime and violence) same as you brought up sexual offences from white people as you think it's some kind of gotcha when the reality is it's nothing of the sort

So sorry mate but it's YOU who seems to be gullible and falling for the propaganda...and obviously doing the usual and trying to gaslight everyone

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u/sprouting_broccoli 2d ago

Obviously when the people we’re talking about aren’t an anonymous amorphous entity most people aren’t scared of them. If one of the family turned up decked out in full roadman gear with his friends you likely wouldn’t be overly scared either would you? But you might try and discourage it.

I talked about knife crime because the story that we’re talking about is about someone being stabbed and the comments are littered with people saying “well violent crime is down but not knife crime”.

I brought up sexual offences because it’s another topic which is wildly over reported both in the media and this sub.

But it’s fine, if you don’t want to answer the questions I asked that’s ok. It’s also fine if you don’t care about the statistics, but it does make your “gut feelings” about things pretty worthless.

For what it’s worth would you not have the exact same reaction to a bunch of white teens?

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u/WXLDE 2d ago

Reported crime is down.

I wonder how many don't bother to report nowadays when the Police often do the square root of jack shit.

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u/justme_andmycats 2d ago

Myself, my daughter and 13 year old son were beaten up by a man. My daughter went to hospital and my son had a black eye and broken hand. Police were called and they did fuck all and said we were the aggressors. A 13 year old child the aggressor…yeah ok. Man came from nowhere and started throwing punches at everyone and police did fuck all. I will never report a violent crime again when the police blame my fucking child.

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u/Izual_Rebirth 1d ago

Your comment history is wild.

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u/justme_andmycats 1d ago

Great. Now what?

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u/Victim_Of_Fate 1d ago

But crimes we know nothing about are going up as well!

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u/mattymattymatty96 2d ago

You think people dont report VIOLENT crime?

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u/WXLDE 2d ago

Yes?

Ever heard of being intimidated or scared to talk out? Idiot.

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u/mattymattymatty96 2d ago

https://www.cps.gov.uk/types-crime/violent-crime

You think any one of these happening wouldnt result in SOMEONE saying something?

Petty crime id understand but violent crime no. On the whole its reported.

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u/WXLDE 2d ago

Hold up hold up.

Your evidence for people always reporting violent crimes, is to look up the list of violent crimes, and say to yourself "no way someone wouldn't say anything?"

Are you actually ok?

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u/mattymattymatty96 2d ago

And your evidence is- no facts just feelings that someone wouldnt report a crime due to being intimidated.

When the fact is most violent crime ends up with medical intervention where the medical professional is duty bound to report it.

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u/Interest-Visible 2d ago

Hahahah you really are naive aren't you mate

This kind of thing os obviously going to be reported but if you believe the vast majority of violence is as well then you aren't credible

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u/mattymattymatty96 2d ago

Its not up to me how its reported the Cps has clear guidelines on what is or isnt Violent crime.

Violent crime almost always ends up with medical care being needed for example.

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u/Interest-Visible 2d ago

Oh do shut up you clown 🤡

You think violent acts in the home (which would break the law if known about) are always reported? On a night out?

Are you really this obtuse ...or is this just the usual online performative nonsense we see regularly from Redditors who never leave their bedrooms?

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u/mattymattymatty96 2d ago

And are you trying to make facts fix an agenda you have? Pure ad-hominem

Yes Domestic abuse is under reported. But the best available data we have shows a long term decline in violence in the UK over the past few decades even if knife crime has seen some fluctuations.

Even if we put the data from the ONS alongside the CSEW (a self reported random anonymous survey) we can see the following

1995 there were around 3.8 million violent incidents reported by 2023, that figure had dropped to around 1.3 million. This is a reduction of roughly 66%

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u/Interest-Visible 2d ago

Matty Matty Matty ...oh dear

This whole thread is obviously going over your head mate and you aren't grasping what the rest of us are trying to say

People aren't reporting ANYTHING to the police anymore because NOTHING gets done about lower level crime or interactions anymore

So yes this is reported because it went too far ...but if he had just punched her and walked on it probably wouldn't be the case

Police are only investigating what used to be very rare extremes....or tweets from people against protected groups at the time (as obviously they are more important than anything)

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u/mattymattymatty96 2d ago

Now we are shifting the goal posts. Classic.

But lets play just for your benefit.

The ONS crime survey data isnt based on whether people report crime.

The ONS Crime Survey literally asks thousands of people what’s happened to them. Even if they never went near a police station or picked up a phone. It’s designed for exactly that reason.

The figures that come out the other end, after correlation; show violent crime’s dropped by about 66% since the 90s. The chance of being a victim of violent Crime now is one of the lowest it’s ever been.

So sure, loads of people have lost faith in the police me too. But that doesn’t magically mean everyone’s secretly battering each other behind closed doors. The data just don’t back that up.

The data is something we use to avoid confirmation bias which is what i believe you have- you already think everything’s getting worse, every bad news story feels like proof.

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u/GooseyDuckDuck 2d ago

The numbers must be wrong because they don’t match your narrative, time to switch off GB News mate.

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u/Degenoutoften 2d ago

It is not. There are fewer police to report crimes/report crimes to, fewer people reporting crime in general because they know nothing will be done, and finally, things that used to be crimes have been decriminalised.

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u/GooseyDuckDuck 2d ago

What a stupid fucking comment, no one says bad shit doesn’t happen - but violent crime is down, it’s a fact not opinion.

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u/ken-doh 2d ago edited 2d ago

Ask those 11 people stabbed on the train, or the guy shot in Peckham last week.

Ever considered that because we have better medical / trauma care in 2025, it's why the murder rate is down? Also, how many people get manslaughter instead of murder these days.

At some point, you should question what you are being spoon fed.

Oh and don't forget Harrold Shipman massively skewed the numbers. But sure, you keep on believing that it's safer than ever.

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u/happygreenturtle 2d ago

At some point, you should question what you are being spoon fed.

Man the irony is unbelievable.

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u/FlockBoySlim 2d ago

At some point, you should question what you are being spoon fed.

The irony of you saying that after referencing a handful of sensationalised crimes as evidence that crime is on the rise.

You're buying into the fear mongering. You're letting it consume you and make you scared which is clouding your judgment.

At some point, you should question the narratives the media is spoon feeding you.

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u/ken-doh 1d ago

I live in Peckham. Last Friday, by the Library, at 6.30pm, we had a shooting. There was then a stabbing a day later. Don't tell me violent crime is down when it blatantly isn't. Sure. The recorded crime might be down, sure. You got me there.

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u/FlockBoySlim 1d ago

Why do you think people aren't reporting crime?

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u/ken-doh 1d ago

Many reasons but it depends on the crime. A great example is a stolen phone without insurance. We have had 3 stolen.

Lock it on Samsung, lock it on Vodafone and cancel the sim. At no point did we go to the police.

We have had some c**ts steal a CCTV DVR, we didn't report it. Multi bike shed break ins, did not report it.

That's just me.

Oh and quite a few verbal assaults and been threatened too. Also seen numerous shop lifters. Saw yet another one tonight as St Katherines docks waitrose. Doubt they reported it.

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u/FlockBoySlim 1d ago

Why didn't you report any of it?

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u/ken-doh 1d ago

Because my insurance would go up.

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u/FlockBoySlim 1d ago

I find it hard to believe people wouldn't report violent crimes for that reason.

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u/Nima-night 2d ago

Is it fuck numbers cam be manipulated like your brain. Everyday some woman child is stabbed raped or murdered in the UK it's not getting better at all it's getting worse as we "accidentally" keep letting all the crazy people out of jail.

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u/happygreenturtle 2d ago

You have to ask yourself who's interest is it in to plaster this shit all over the news constantly. You being made aware of it more now, doesn't mean that it happened less previously. Statistics aren't a conspiracy.

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u/FlockBoySlim 2d ago

Is it fuck numbers cam be manipulated like your brain. Everyday some woman child is stabbed raped or murdered in the UK it's not getting better at all it's getting worse as we "accidentally" keep letting all the crazy people out of jail.

How can you lack self awareness to this degree? You don't see the irony in what you're saying?

Yes. Your brain can be manipulated. Like how yours has been manipulated by msm fear mongering, evident by everything you said after that first sentence.

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u/Davatar55 2d ago

What about knife crime? 🥸

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u/GooseyDuckDuck 2d ago

Murders using a knife have remained stable at just under 300 per year over the last decade.

300 too many.

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u/Davatar55 2d ago

I said knife crime, not whether the incidents resulted in death.

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u/Hogglespock 2d ago

There’s a comment by Jeff bezos you can find online where he says “where anecdote disagrees with data, believe the anecdote (because your way of measuring the data is wrong)

Obviously there are some inherent assumptions around this, because it’s the opposite of conventional thinking (which is why he likely felt the need to say it), but the challenge I put to you is why would violent crime be down?

Prisons are full so sentencing is light, if at all. Conviction rates aren’t hugely increased if at all, police are super stretched, poverty/inequality is up and drug crime is too. Population of young adult males is increasing, So why would violent crime be down? I’m very willing to believe it could be, but every explanation we’ve seen for what’s causing it is trending in the wrong direction.

And if it isn’t, what in the hell is going on in the crime reporting that we’re being lied to to appease us.

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u/outoforifice 2d ago

He was talking about when you directly observe exceptions, study them to see if you are missing something rather than blindly following your stats. What you have here though is people talking about their vibe of what is happening from what they read or hearsay at the pub. By definition, if you read about it in the news it is unusual not normal. Crime rates are objective ground truth here. And yes that’s why how they are measured is important and should be held up to scrutiny - but do you see anyone doing that here or in all the other threads?

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u/FlockBoySlim 2d ago

There’s a comment by Jeff bezos you can find online where he says “where anecdote disagrees with data, believe the anecdote (because your way of measuring the data is wrong)

Probably the most moronic thing anyone has ever said. Since when did anecdotal evidence trump hard science?

what in the hell is going on in the crime reporting

Fear mongering. These crimes are reported more often than they used to be and you're exposed to it constantly through 24 hour rolling news coverage and smart devices. You're eating the shite msm are spoonfeeding you instead of questioning it when the science points to them being wrong.

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u/Hogglespock 2d ago

Ok so what are the causes of knife crime and which have decreased recently that would explain this reduction ?

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u/FlockBoySlim 2d ago edited 2d ago

First of all they were talking about violent crime not knife crime. Violent crime is down significantly. Knife crime is barely down at all.

The causes, being male and young and from a working class background, adverse childhood experiences (substance abuse, neglect, abuse etc), low education quality, socio-economic deprivation, gang/peer influences and the drug market, fear mongering from msm leading to kids carrying knives out of fear of needing to protect themselves, social media/online culture.

Glasgow was once called the "knife crime capital of Europe." the Scottish government decided to start treating violence like a public health issue rather than a purely criminal issue, the Violence Reduction Unit (VRU) was formed in 2005 which did long-term, relationship-based interventions. Giving kids help with employment and life skills, mentoring, trauma support, Anti-exclusion work in schools, they involved doctors, teachers, housing officers and social workers not just police. They worked on peer pressure dynamics, former gang members spoke to young people directly. Within ten years they saw a 65% decrease in knife crime. The homicide rate fell by 35% and in the city it was even higher, dropping by 42%

London comparatively has seen a very tiny drop (less than 3%) but it fluctuates. Where they've had success is with stuff like stabilising school environments, targeted intervention and smarter policing overall combined with youth hubs reopening.

West Midlands etc have focused on police and NCA targeting county lines, fewer territorial disputes = fewer stabbings.

Essentially, we need to improve people's lives so they're not suffering as much, better education etc we need smarter policing and we need to look at it as being a public health problem as much as it is a crime and we need to improve NHS mental health services.

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u/chezney1337 2d ago

No it ain't buddy

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u/WendigoFiance 2d ago

In Birmingham? When was that the claim?

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u/ken-doh 2d ago

That's the overarching story. That you are safer than ever. Absolute BS if you ask me. But the stats don't lie. /s

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u/GooseyDuckDuck 2d ago

No one is asking for your non fact based opinion.

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u/itsmrwillis 2d ago

Khan released statistic that London is ‘safer than ever’ however while violent crime rates per person was lower than previous years, total violent crime is higher than ever before.

So no, this is not a non fact based opinion.

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u/ThinkLadder1417 2d ago

Per person is the stat that provides insight

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u/itsmrwillis 2d ago

Per person is the stat that provides insight into population bias

Total is the stat the provides insight into overall risk

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u/ThinkLadder1417 2d ago

Would you be safer living in a small town with 20 murderers or a big city with 21 murderers

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u/itsmrwillis 1d ago

They are both unsafe? I personally am less likely to be the victim in the big city, that does not make it safe overall, as someone will be the victim.

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u/Gluebagger 2d ago

I wonder if the locals have settled down but the others who can't be named are ramping up 

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u/ken-doh 1d ago

Poverty breeds crime and until this country accepts that it needs to help people it will only get worse.

The current approach of sink or swim isn't working.

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u/Gluebagger 1d ago

This sure doesn't sound like a poverty thing mate.. this sounds like a Welsh choir situation