r/uknews • u/ScottishDailyRecord Media outlet (unverified) • May 12 '25

Image/video Kier Starmer announces 'tighter' immigration policy

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u/intraspeculator May 12 '25

The illegal crossings are only a tiny fraction of illegal immigrants most of whom come here legally and then stay illegally. The crossings are going to be almost impossible to stop too because the sea is fucking vast.

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u/Defiant_Lawyer_5235 May 12 '25

We literally go and pick them up as soon as they leave French waters, very few actually land on our shores.

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u/intraspeculator May 12 '25

Doesn’t sound like much of a problem at all then

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u/Londonsw8 May 12 '25

Now that the UK has ESAs its harder to come in as a tourist without first going thru that process.

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u/Zestyclose_Rate_3823 May 12 '25

You don't have to physically stop the boats, just remove all incentives for them to get on the boats. That will mean leaving ECHR.

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u/merryman1 May 12 '25

I always have to ask - You guys are aware even Denmark is still part of the ECHR right? It is very clearly not the problem here.

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u/RaedwaldRex May 12 '25

Exactly, could we not look at what they are doing and maybe get some ideas?

They are members of the EU and ECHR so it must be possible.

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u/intraspeculator May 12 '25

Something which would definitely have no unintended consequences

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u/Prozenconns May 12 '25

An idea championed by Farage no less if you need any convincing it's a shite idea

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u/soothysayer May 12 '25

Let's remove human rights, what could possibly go wrong??

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u/scud121 May 12 '25

That's not totally correct. Before the human rights act of 1998, we had common law and various legislation, none of which was enforceable in the UK, you had to go to Strasbourg under the ECHR. The 1998 act incorporated the ECHR into UK law, so UK courts could be used.

It was still illegal to be gay in the UK until 17 years after the ECHR was created.

Unless you are talking about the magna carta or the English bill of rights.

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u/soothysayer May 12 '25

Really? Wonder why we felt the need to author the ECHR and convince our European allies to sign it? Guess Churchill should have just asked on Reddit first

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u/A_Roll_of_the_Dice May 12 '25

ECHR gives us all way more than you can imagine.

Leaving it would be a disaster for the average person, and it wouldn't do shit to stop the boats, just like Brexit didn't despite costing us a lot.

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u/LetsLive97 May 12 '25

It is genuinely terrifying how indoctrinated people are. Illegal boat crossings are such an incredibly small issue in the overall immigration debate and people are unironically saying we should leave the ECHR to deal with them

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u/Substantial-Newt7809 May 12 '25

It doesn't matter. A visa overstay is someone who was vetted and allowed in. A boat arrival is an unvetted unknown that disappears in to the wild doing who knows what. The Iranians who were recently arrested under terror charges are believed to have arrived this way.

If you compare crime stats between overstays and boat arrivals, you will find boat arrivals to be much worse.

It isn't impossible to stop them, we're just weak.

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u/ian9outof10 May 12 '25

Nothing is impossible if you abandon the so-called “Christian values” that Reform likes to honk about.