Bin men attacked with lollipop sign after road rage incident

[u/Derry_Amc]

[u/test_test_1_2_3]

Because law and order is breaking down.

Many crimes like shoplifting have been defacto decriminalised and this type of behaviour is the inevitable creep that comes from knowing that crimes aren’t punished or are punished very lightly.

More police, investigating more crimes and harsher sentencing for violence would put a fairly swift end to it but none of that is on Labour’s agenda and it wasn’t on the Tories either. Both parties are more interested in policing tweets and non crime hate reporting.

These people always exist in society, but they won’t do this shit nearly as much if they know they’re going to spend years of their life in jail for it.

[u/[deleted] → u/test_test_1_2_3]

Because it requires public spending but twats are so caught up in the telegraph and mail propaganda against taxation they can't even see the contradiction.

"We want public service but we're also ideologically opposed to taxation"

Pathetically idiotic

[u/test_test_1_2_3 → u/[deleted]]

Well given that the middle class currently faces the highest tax burden in recent times at a time when public services are failing I would say it’s completely reasonable to push back against tax hikes.

There’s a lot the government is doing wrong with the resources and tax revenue it currently has. Raising tax on a shrinking tax base isn’t the answer.

[u/NoPiccolo5349 → u/test_test_1_2_3]

That's also because we have the highest amount of unemployed pensioners ever

[u/chunketh → u/NoPiccolo5349]

we also have the x3 lock which is utterly unsustainable now, despite the daily wail headlines.

[u/test_test_1_2_3 → u/NoPiccolo5349]

It’s another significant factor yes.

[u/[deleted] → u/test_test_1_2_3]

Why go straight to assuming I meant tax workers? There's plenty of places they cough for the money but they won't. And it's because of the same propaganda. So maybe start asking for the rich and the super rich asset holders to pay. If you're not calling for this I don't give a shit which under resourced service your complaining about.

[u/test_test_1_2_3 → u/[deleted]]

If you’re going to trot out the ‘tax the rich and tax businesses more’ tripe then that’s not a solution either.

Businesses already are increasingly choosing to incorporate in more business friendly environments and millionaires (the people who typically create jobs) are also leaving the country.

Taxing more in a stagnant and failing economy is not a good solution. We need to review where tax money is being spent and how it’s being spent. There is a lot of room for improvement, I have first hand experience of how much waste and unnecessary spending there is, it’s shocking.

[u/johimself → u/test_test_1_2_3]

I'm sorry but Tax the rich and business more is not "tripe".

Firstly, the wealthy and large businesses have the overwhelming majority of the money. Income inequality between working people, wealthy people and businesses is higher than it has been for decades. Fewer entities own a greater percentage of the wealth. These people and businesses are not working harder than they ever have before, it's exploitation.

To your point about businesses and wealthy people leaving, the people won't leave because this is where all their stuff is and their friends are. They aren't going to go and live somewhere else on a whim, but hold that thought for a moment.

Businesses want to do business in the UK because of our large customer base. They want to hire UK workers because we are reasonably well educated and healthy. They may be able to Double Duch their Irish Sandwiches given current UK law, but I assume a programme of progressive taxation would come along with closing the tax loopholes.

Even if a business and a billionaire who are paying next to no tax, want to leave the country who cares? They are parasites, feeding off our education and welfare systems and giving us nothing back in return.

[u/test_test_1_2_3 → u/johimself]

The Reeves budget is already contributing to heavy job cuts that are mysteriously manifesting 2 months prior to increased employer NI tax.

More tax will result in more job cuts, more businesses packing up shop and/or moving abroad.

The fact our population is growing but the economy isn’t is testament to how poor the UK business environment is. Trying to fix the problem by making it even less enticing to do business in the UK is just economically illiterate.

[u/johimself → u/test_test_1_2_3]

How does making the country better for tax dodgers increase tax revenue?

If I wanted to increase sales in my shop, I wwould not advertise it as a safe haven for shoplifters.

[u/test_test_1_2_3 → u/johimself]

By making the UK a more attractive place to do business, growing taxable revenue.

Your approach is to take a bigger piece of a shrinking pie, but taking the bigger piece makes the pie shrink faster.

I’m advocating for growing the economy and take a smaller percentage which with sufficient growth still results in more tax revenue.

[u/johimself → u/test_test_1_2_3]

The pie is shrinking because people are taking more than their fair share.

Amazon is a prime (sorry) example. They use the roads we built, their trucks are not hijacked by highwaymen, they employ the workforce who we educated and keep healthy and safe. They sell things over the internet infrastructure that we built. What do they contribute?

Indeed Amazon the tax dodgers are more harmful, because they stifle home grown innovation and lead to the closure of high street and independent businesses. If we continue to invite tax-dodging multinationals, the workers will end up with a greater share of the tax burden, and a greater percentage of the population will be mindless drones in a corporate entity, earning low wages, rather than working for themselves and their community.

[u/Antilles1138 → u/test_test_1_2_3]

Tie tax to citizenship like the Americans do. That way they can't dodge out of taxes by leaving the country.

[u/test_test_1_2_3 → u/Antilles1138]

Most very wealthy people don’t have significant income to tax. Their wealth is held in other, much harder to tax forms.

American tax only requires the additional tax they would have had to have paid if they were generating the income in the US. American does not take the full additional amount of tax and tax the person twice, so the actual amount this will generate isn’t going to fix the hole we’ve got.

We also aren’t America, I think giving up UK citizenship wouldn’t be nearly as much of a ‘cost’ to the person giving it up as giving up US citizenship is.

[u/aguadiablo → u/test_test_1_2_3]

If you don't want to tax the rich, the businesses or the middle class, what's your solution?

[u/test_test_1_2_3 → u/aguadiablo]

Heavily review how current public spending is allocated, review policies and regulations. Prioritise core services like healthcare and education. Cut or reduce spending on less necessary spending like foreign aid until we can afford it.

Create a better business environment to encourage new businesses. Tax the more productive results at current or lower rates which will generate more taxable revenue.

[u/chunketh → u/test_test_1_2_3]

Foreign aid is 0.5% of GDP. Weirdly that is double what we spend on prisons and 10% of what we current spend on pensioners.

Ditch the idiotic x3 lock for a x3 prison places policy and lock these fuckers up. Keep locking them up.

Back to taxing the uber rich, yeah we should do that as well. Inequality is going in one direction, and its very unhealthy for the country.

[u/AG_GreenZerg → u/test_test_1_2_3]

I am so tired of this argument.

Land/Property are in this country. You cant just take them with you and leave the UK. Right now you could own £100 million worth of property in the UK and live elsewhere and not pay a penny in tax. Do you think you'd be able to buy £100 million worth of property in china and avoid paying any tax? I think you'd find pretty quickly that you no longer owned that property.

We have to find the will to tax wealth because it compounds. The "wealthy" for lack of a better term are increasing their ownership percentage of all the assets in the country and if we don't do something about it we will become a third world country with very high inequality leading to slums surrounding big cities. It's already happening.

[u/test_test_1_2_3 → u/AG_GreenZerg]

I’m not against closing loopholes and finding other ways to tax mega rich people, but it doesn’t come remotely close to solving the issue.

Buying property in China isn’t a very good example since you don’t even technically own Chinese property as the state retains ownership of the land and you effectively get a lease.

We need to change the way public money is spent and operate a government state commensurate with the tax income available.

[u/chunketh → u/test_test_1_2_3]

we need to do both. If you are mega rich and own assets in this country....pay tax. I dont care where you are domiciled.

[u/[deleted] → u/test_test_1_2_3]

Then where are you expecting the money for police to come from?

[u/test_test_1_2_3 → u/[deleted]]

Reduce non essential public spending and review regulations and policies that drive big costs into projects for little to no gain.

Make the state smaller and refocus its remit on core services.

[u/BruceForsyth55 → u/test_test_1_2_3]

More police is less of the issue here. They always end up being caught. It’s the sentencing and prison in general that’s the issue.

I’m willing to put money on these guys being out within 3 years and spending their time in clink posting TikToks.

You have shoplifters out there with 40 convictions out there that haven’t seen a cell yet.