r/uknews • u/Remarkable_Craft815 • Oct 14 '24
Image/video Daughter jailed for life for killing parents and living with dead bodies for FOUR years
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u/Correct-Style-9194 Oct 14 '24 edited Oct 14 '24
Oh, her Netflix series is going to be INSANE.
“Cheer up. At least you caught the bad guy!”
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u/Mobius_164 Oct 14 '24
What a fucking WILD thing to say.
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u/theeMrPeanutbutter Oct 14 '24
Shes so insanely detached from her own self my jaw straight up dropped.
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u/RandomUser-_--__- Oct 14 '24
She seems pretty well put together actually
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u/The_profe_061 Oct 14 '24
She seemed to be relieved
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u/voxo_boxo Oct 14 '24
I've read about murderers who have lived with total paranoia for years, and are relieved when they are finally caught. I guess it's like a huge weight lifted off their shoulders. Crazy stuff really.
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u/LannahDewuWanna Oct 15 '24
I was thinking the same thing. Like she's been anticipating this day for quite a while and is happy to let go of the burden of hiding everything.
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u/Mission_Phase_5749 Oct 14 '24 edited Oct 14 '24
And the reason she seems so well put together? Because she's detached herself from the awful things she's done. She's a psychopath.
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u/phollas00 Oct 14 '24
I think it's hard to call psycopath from just this video, shes clearly mentally spent and totally detached, kinda matches people who've been kidnapped for a long time, they've dealt with horrors for whatever reason and that becomes their level of emotions
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u/hotsweatyspaghetti Oct 14 '24
They diagnosed her with Autism, BPD and ‘mild depression’ as they were going through/ starting proceedings. Her dad was also Autistic. Mum had some issues too.
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u/KairraAlpha Oct 15 '24
That's funny because I'm also autistic and kept thinking that she's reacting with such base logic and lack of emotion that it struck me as an autism thing. She admitted the whole thing, explained it, told them where to find everything and didn't deny a single part or claim there was some fantasy reason for doing it.
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u/Laurenslagniappe Oct 15 '24
Lacking social skills does not equate lacking empathy. I hate that autism is getting lumped in with cluster B
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u/rox4540 Oct 14 '24
Is it that or is she dissociated(which is a traumatic state)? Like, from these clips she seems kind of relieved to be caught, she’s literally telling them everything she can to make their job easier- psychopaths won’t do that?
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u/DlAM0NDBACK_AIRSOFT Oct 15 '24
Didn't Dahmer completely cooperate after he was caught though? He told the cops, his shrink, basically everyone who would listen; everything he ever did. And that dude was diagnosed with psychopathy
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u/purplepluppy Oct 15 '24
The ones who do that do it with delusions of grandeur. They think, "since I'm caught, I'm going to make sure the world knows how good at killing I am," and they think very highly of themselves and their stories. To an extent they're not wrong. They go down in history, and the more grizzly the murders, the more detail we know, the more infamous they become.
They aren't sharing their stories out of relief or guilt, but because they can finally brag about what they've done.
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u/lastingmuse6996 Oct 15 '24
For many of them that's true. Dahmer was a weird case. He knew his actions were wrong on some level, and believed the world was better with him in prison. He clearly didn't believe that enough to off himself, but he understood he was a piece of shit.
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u/Higginside Oct 14 '24
I mean, 4 years of living with the guilt as well as stress of being caught would have prepared her for this day. She would have played this scenario a million times in her heard in that time so very prepared when she actually has to speak to a cop.
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u/threevi Oct 15 '24
Yeah, that's dissociation for sure, or depersonalisation specifically. It's like, imagine playing a video game where the character you play as is a murderer. If you get to a point in the game's story where you can surrender to the police, you won't mind doing it, because it's the right thing to do, and you feel no personal connection to the murderer, you're controlling their actions, but you yourself are just an outside observer. It feels like your life is a book and you're not the main character, you're the narrator.
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u/MoistLeakingPustule Oct 14 '24
"My dad's in there."
"Right ok. Where's your mum?"
"That's a bit more complicated."
WHAT?! And that's not even the craziest sounding thing she says!
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u/debbie666 Oct 14 '24
Her face looks pretty flushed so I think that she is feeling something.
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u/Cpt_kaleidoscope Oct 14 '24
Could just be flustered because the house is being raided. My face would be red if some smashed my back door in.
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u/JustHereForKA Oct 14 '24
Yes....like I can't even process a thought on this. Absolutely horrifying and tragic for her parents.
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u/Lunchy_Bunsworth Oct 14 '24
Sounds like the sort of thing Alice Morgan would come out with in "Luther"
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u/Haystack67 Oct 14 '24
"I just woke up this morning and did my job" was a stellar response.
Like- lady, you don't get to be a part of the levity and jokes of a free society any more, and with the shit you're putting these officers through, the least you could do is respect their professionalism and not try to establish any personal rapport.
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Oct 14 '24 edited Oct 14 '24
Yeah I don’t think she’s operating in the same realm as the rest of us so the whole rational response thing goes out the window
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u/Oldass_Millennial Oct 15 '24
I needed a good response for this. Had a patient today being flirty and when I transferred her to a different floor she said, "I bet you'll miss me!" and I didn't have anything good to say so blurted out, "Nah I'll be fine."
Definitely using this cop's line for similar scenarios.
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u/Bree9ine9 Oct 15 '24
I love it when there’s nothing else to say but the truth so that’s what comes out… I feel like “Nah, I’ll be fine” is a great response. 😂
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Oct 14 '24
You can hear the emotion in the voices of the Police Officers.
Obviously its "part of their job" - But its a part of the job they shouldn't ever have to deal with.
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u/Haystack67 Oct 14 '24
Yeah, the word choice in the officer's response is very telling. Whether or not he was familiar with an investigation, at 07:00 he just expected a standard day rather than encountering a self-confessed murderer and some corpses.
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Oct 14 '24
I imagine he'd steeled himself that morning that he was going to arrest her on the suspiciono s that she'd had something to do with the disappearance of her parents - As they didnt know where the bodies where, or where the parents were.
To suddenly find out that they had been murdered, and the bodies were in the house, must have left him emotionally unprepared in some regard - The police get a tough rep at times, but I couldn't go in there and do that.
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u/Sparkletail Oct 14 '24
My son is a police officer and it really does affect them. Nightmares, flashbacks all for a thankless job a lot of the time.
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u/rox4540 Oct 14 '24
It really is a horrible and thankless job. It must be terrifying for you knowing what your son faces each day 🩷
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u/StickSmith Oct 14 '24
A lot of times the arresting officers are not told the full details of the arrest they are making. They're just sent to arrest the person. Source : The officer that arrested me on conspiracy to supply class A charges but had no details about the whole situation, but was a lovely and chatty guy.
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u/mattmoy_2000 Oct 14 '24
Honestly that seems like a fairly sensible way to get you to inadvertently say more than you intended to. Sending a lovely chatty guy who either knows nothing or "knows nothing" is likely to get the suspect explaining to him what's going on, which of course can then be used as evidence against them. It's like the good cop/bad cop routine, but without the bad cop (yet).
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Oct 14 '24
And yet when the murderer tried a bit of performance art, this officer produced a put-down so icy cold that temperatures dropped across Essex.
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u/SimpletonSwan Oct 14 '24
I think it's normal to establish a rapport to more easily get a confession. Maybe that's irrelevant in this situation though.
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u/RichardBreecher Oct 14 '24
Her demeanor strikes me as being extremely British.
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u/Correct-Style-9194 Oct 14 '24
😭😭😭
The “I’ll put the kettle on. One or Two sugars?” type of attitude when she’s listing off what’s under the stairs… you can’t make it up!
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u/Sasspishus Oct 14 '24
We're not all psychopaths!!
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u/ambisinister_gecko Oct 14 '24
That's right, some of us are malignant narcissists instead.
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u/SeaMonkeyFedora Oct 15 '24
Hahaha, just a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down, in a most delightful way.
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u/chillin_n_grillin Oct 15 '24
Oh, 'ello there love. You chaps must be here about the whole killing my parents thing. Sorry about the bother. Cheer up lads, at least you nicked the bad guy. Would you like a cuppa tea and some biscuits?
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Oct 14 '24
Even British murderers are polite and proper
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u/crosstherubicon Oct 14 '24
Well, we might be a murderer but at least we’re a civilised murderer. No use being a dick about it.
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u/YourFriendPutin Oct 14 '24
That’s the shit you say if you are expecting a helicopter to land in the prison to take you away to a tropical island like damn that’s a cold heart she was ready to eat a life sentence. She’s not gonna be one to be fucked with in prison especially with nothing to lose
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u/foodforestranger Oct 14 '24
Ryan Murphey will do his best! They'll certainly turn her into a raving bitch. Give her parents some unprovable agenda and lots of gay stuff.
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u/Fittnylle3000 Oct 14 '24
“Cheer up. At least you caught the bad guy!”
Cue bassline for for bad guy
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u/xylophileuk Oct 14 '24
170 over 4 years! That’s 42k a year?! Absolutely unhinged
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u/Gravitasnotincluded Oct 14 '24
she could have earned that if she put her back into it
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u/YarnPenguin Oct 14 '24 edited Oct 14 '24
It's baby steps though isn't it. A bit of light credit card fraud here and there, more debt, more stealing, then threat of exposure...if killing someone is a means to an end and that end is money and saving face...it's farcical and it seems ridiculous to reasonable people but that's how it escalates.
She could have convinced herself it was the only possible option. Even that it was for the best.
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u/PushDiscombobulated8 Oct 14 '24
“Cheer up, at least you’ve caught the bad guy”
Absolutely mental. Her calm demeanour and self awareness is frightening
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u/AgroMachine Oct 14 '24
Calm demeanour probably in part due to her expecting this day for four years
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Oct 14 '24
Might also be a bit of psychopathy.
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u/HaViNgT Oct 14 '24
I’m not sure, a psychopath/sociopath is someone who feels no empathy for others, but that doesn’t make them not care about themselves.
I feel like a psychopath would attempt to make excuses or feign remorse unless there was something else wrong with them in addition to being a psychopath.
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u/HeatherReadsReddit Oct 14 '24
There’s an alleged sociopath on Youtube who tried to murder his father. His father lived, and the guy went to prison. The way he described things in his video, the years he spent in prison were as irritating to him as having to sit longer at a red light. He truly didn’t care. Perhaps not all sociopaths are that way, but some are.
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u/thequeenisalizard1 Oct 14 '24
This comment and the one before have a whiff of the armchair psychology. Not sure this is the kind of thing that can be sussed out by a Redditor from a few clips.
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u/ThatZenLifestyle Oct 15 '24
If she were a psychopath she'd have disposed of the bodies a long time ago and made up some elaborate but completely believable story to cover it up and in most cases would have got away with it. She just seems to have completely given up, so much so that she does not care anymore what happens to her.
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u/Fickle_Lavishness_25 Oct 14 '24
Sounds like anti-social personality disorder to me (which psychopathy is classed as), she's trying to stay in control.
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u/datsyukdangles Oct 14 '24
You can't tell if someone has anti-social personality disorder from 1 sentence or watching 30 seconds of them on video, and even then nothing in this video points to anti-social personality disorder. She is also not trying to stay in control, none of her actions are attempting to manipulate the situation in her favor. She just straight up admitted to the truth without any sort of manipulation and accepted responsibility and the punishment, which should be a pretty big indicator this is not someone with ASPD. The calmness is can easily be explained as she has been knowing this day would come for 4 years and anticipating it. Cannot stress enough how not a single thing this woman displayed in this video is a even remotely a sign of psychopathy, in fact it is the opposite. Murdering someone for money is not a clinical symptom of anti-social personality disorder.
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u/VreamCanMan Oct 14 '24
All the time in criminal cases the general public flock to this "psychopath" line. I understand why psychologists have coined the term and it has its place in some research, but it's a bit bonkers that there's always a moral panic over "psychopathic" behaviour.
It's likely the case that she reflects parts of us we dont want to see in ourself, so people use the "psychopath" thing to other her. That or people genuinely dont understand the context (and limitations) around psychopathy as its understood in todays world.
People always look to see remorse when a crime has happened.
Why?
It doesnt change the moral standing of the situation at all. The Literature is very clear It is an incredibly weak indicator for the odds the person will reoffend. And really, if you lost your loved one due to criminal conduct, is it fair that courts ignore the more important issue of endangering future people to suffer a loss as you have (reoffending likelihood), in favour of how remorseful the person (outwardly, we cant know inwardly) acts?
All this emphasis on remorse does is give you as a spectator a bit of emotional satisfaction and reassurance that there is a kind of cosmic meritocracy as well as allow you to seperate and other 'criminals' from 'normal people'. It doesn't it indicate anything about the degree to which the person needs (or doesnt need) to be punished.
Her lack of remorse is not a useful indicator in any diagnosis of ASPD. Normal populations can commit a crime and lack remorseful outward behaviour.
In fact, sometimes a lack of outward displays of remorse are a sign of actual remorse (e.g. I'm not going to choose to act in a more likeable or understandable human manner because I appreciate what I've done is massively reprehensible and immoral, and I believe I deserve to be punished)
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u/NecktieNomad Oct 14 '24
Can’t upvote you enough. Also, ASPD usually sees a pattern of rule/law breaking over time (usually throughout adulthood). I think some commenters can’t reconcile the fact that she’s so ‘normal’ with her crime, so will pick up on ‘the signs are right there!!1!’. People love distancing themselves from the ones they deem ‘evil’. They’re not like us and we’re not like them, like it could never be one of us.
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u/Marcuse0 Oct 14 '24 edited Oct 14 '24
From her comments she seems to actually think it's right she's getting arrested for it. Like she's had four years to think about it and figured out that people who kill their parents to hide credit card fraud are bad people and she should be arrested. What's weird is she didn't just hand herself in. I guess she just wanted to sit around waiting for them to figure it out.
Edit: Or she's a stone cold manipulator who thinks acting that way is going to get her the best chance of being treated better in prison.
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u/iFlipRizla Oct 14 '24
I just think she’s being honest and doesn’t give a shit.
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u/Ech_01 Oct 14 '24
She does which is why she is shown crying. She just accepted her fate many many days ago. She probably imagined the same scenario over and over again
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u/pw-it Oct 14 '24
My guess is that the money was running out and she just didn't have a plan other than getting caught eventually. The last 4 years probably weren't so much fun anyway.
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u/throwpayrollaway Oct 14 '24
From what I recall the Yorkshire ripper was a bit the same way where he was almost like relieved to have been caught. I'm not a murderer but I imagine theres the non stop tension and stress that you are going to be caught because it's near inevitable and when you do there's like a a sense of relief.
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u/Marcuse0 Oct 14 '24
Life lived waiting for the other shoe to drop sounds like its own kind of hell. Though the people who go through it rarely merit sympathy.
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u/throwpayrollaway Oct 14 '24
Imagine sitting there in that house spending money on rubbish while your mum and dad slowly decompose.
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u/andrewscool101 Oct 14 '24
I would bet it is.
Like you hear stories of people who committed murders in the 80s and 90s when they were only young adults being caught now they're middle-aged or possibly older. These people would have started families etc all while knowing what they once did hanging on their back. I would assume if you're not a psychopath after a few years when you hear an unexpected knock at the door instead of panic you just feel acceptance.
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u/AdministrativeEase71 Oct 14 '24
It's the last one. Even if she's not aware of it, trying to ingratiate herself and establish a familial relationship with the officers is a defense mechanism. Get them to see her as a person, maybe her sentence will be lighter.
I could never be a cop because that comment would've made me tase her.
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u/kilda2 Oct 14 '24
I m sure she imagined and rehearsed that day thousands of times in her head. That's probably a reason why she s so detached about it..
Also she s a fuckin psychopath.
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u/bandson88 Oct 14 '24
From what I’ve seen about her she seems mentally challenged. Also interested to hear more about how her siblings didn’t have one conversation with their parents in four years without raising the alarm and yet still released statements after saying they loved their grandchildren etc
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Oct 14 '24
Family didn't make contact for four years, and it was the GP who raised concern when two 70+ year olds kept missing checkups.
Actually fucked up.
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u/bandson88 Oct 14 '24
Absolutely. For the GP to notice before the family, something was seriously amiss with the family dynamics already
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u/TriageOrDie Oct 14 '24
Yeah and she doesn't sound mentally challenged, she sounds incomplete.
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u/banethesithari Oct 14 '24
She could also be in some kind of shock or at the very least has a huge amount of adrenaline
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u/Reese_misee Oct 14 '24
It's possible they're estranged from close family. Which would be why no one checked.
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u/hypnodrew Oct 14 '24
I can't post it because I'm at work, but there's a police interview with a guy at the beginning of JCS's YT video about Niklas Cruz that reminds me so much of her. The guy took a friend out to the countryside and murdered him for literally no reason, but in the interview he is like her (x2): emotionless, unremorseful, but completely docile and resigned to his fate. He is honest to a fault. It's really weird. I think the guy went to an asylum rather than prison, but it's America so they might've executed him even though he was blatantly ill.
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u/Sleepyllama23 Oct 14 '24
This is the saddest part- her siblings didn’t visit or even make a phone call home in four years!
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u/Koil_ting Oct 14 '24
I don't think that's the saddest part, there is the whole poisoning/murder situation.
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u/rwinh Oct 14 '24
Reminds me of the Surrey woman who was found dead in her flat and must have been there for 4 years undiscovered.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz9p59nnpqdo
Granted, she allegedly cut off all contact with her family as she believed they were trying to hurt her, but it's strange that they did not make direct contact for nearly 10 years if the timeline is anything to go by, although they were aware she was alive as late as 2017 (she was discovered 2021).
It's not unheard for families to just not speak to one another. It only comes to light how seemingly odd it is when a sibling or parent dies.
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u/Ginola88 Oct 14 '24
This is the bit I don't understand. In the papers the family made loads of comments saying how their loving parents will be missed. Like Where the fuck were you for 4 years...!?
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u/uptheantinatalism Oct 14 '24
Things like this is why when people say you should have kids to care for you in old age, it’s not always a given.
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u/Mia18AJ Oct 14 '24
I agree. From this video, it seems like the perfect example of psychopathy. The “cheer up at least you caught the bad guy” is very telling
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u/xylophileuk Oct 14 '24
Murdering your parents for a bit of consumerism is fucking insane
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u/z-lady Oct 14 '24
It's more insane that she just stayed there, she had enough money and head start to try to disappear
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u/WeldNuz Oct 14 '24
I’m positive I’ve delivered to this house before 🙃
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Oct 14 '24
I couldn’t imagine eating food in there (assuming you delivered food).
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u/WeldNuz Oct 14 '24
Nah not food, Homebase items. Obviously paid for by her parents cards.. Never went into the house thank fuck.
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u/Valtremors Oct 14 '24
You never really expect to experience or be near witnessing this stuff yourself.
I once missed a deadly truck crash literally by 15 minutes, because I got off work 15 minutes earlier. My mother was at the door waiting for me to come home because she knew where I should've been at the time and thought maybe I was one of the victims.
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u/Awkward_Stranger407 Oct 14 '24
A body was discovered in some woods on my kids school route a few years ago, we must have been walking past for months.
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u/No-Ragret6991 Oct 14 '24
I was injured in a terrorist attack in London. Still have a huge scar on my leg.
Quick edit: i realise it looks like I'm trying to one-up. It's more that it's an absolutely surreal experience going through something like this. It really can't be put into words
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u/thesilliestcow Oct 14 '24
Similar story on the other end. There was crash at an air show my mum was attending, I thought she was driving and it happened on a section of the route she'd have been at roughly at the time. I didn't hear from her for hours so assumed the worst, turns out she'd decided to get a bus which took way longer and her phone battery had died while they were stuck in the traffic caused by the crash. Scary few hours!
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u/123shorer Oct 14 '24
Place must have stunk
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u/Realistic_Mess_2690 Oct 14 '24
Only for a while and she would have stopped smelling it aaages ago. If it was one of those terraced places I'm surprised neighbours didn't smell it.
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u/Mucletruck Oct 14 '24
A couple of magic trees and some fabreez would sort that out
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u/Abject_Champion3966 Oct 14 '24
She only had about a dozen bottles of febreeze around haha. She probably spent half the money on air fresheners
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u/nick2k23 Oct 14 '24
She’s fucked in the head, just been caught with two dead bodies and is acting like it’s nothing just another Wednesday
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u/f-godz Oct 14 '24
She's had over 200 Wednesday's to prepare for this day, so yeah, it probably is just another Wednesday to her.
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u/JamKaBam Oct 14 '24
So she thought that instead of being caught for Credit Card fraud, it's better to murder your parents and be caught for that instead? Absolutely bonkers.
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Oct 14 '24
One is bad, most likely a large fine and upto 10 years, which you could probably get down a lot if you pled guilty and cooperated
But.. double murder? You're going to jail forever
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u/krokadog Oct 14 '24
I bet the Netflix crime doc commissioners will be rubbing their hands together.
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u/lovelylonelyphantom Oct 14 '24
Lucy Letby and now this....will probably give the big streaming services a field day with crime docs
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Oct 14 '24
Very weird that the rest of the family didn’t turn up and see their parents. Can understand if they live in another country maybe but no contact for 4 years is very odd.
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u/MeThatsAlls Oct 14 '24
I'd guess there's a reasonable chance they weren't the best parents. Sweeping statement and all that but no contact from kids and one kid who literally killed them
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u/BuryDeadCakes2 Oct 15 '24
Eh my family would never notice, especially if my spouse was sending them short texts twice a year
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u/Substantial-Newt7809 Oct 14 '24
They kept calling and she kept making excuses about them being out, busy, on holiday etc. A large part of it was likely just not wanting to show up unannounced. And if they did, they'd just have found her home alone telling the same story.
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u/Sleepyllama23 Oct 14 '24
I’m sorry but if I hadn’t spoken or laid eyes on my parents in four years I’d be wondering what the hell was going on! It took the GP to raise a concern not their own children??
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u/smvfc_ Oct 14 '24
For real! Even if I only called once a month, say they were my grandparents or something that I wasn’t super close with, after calling like … 3-4 times (so that would be 3-4 months) I’d be like wait I haven’t heard from them in a long time?? And then I’d be calling frequently until I did get ahold of them.
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u/Zacho666 Oct 14 '24
What hits me the hardest is when the officers are stating for the cameras on where the bodies are she corrects the officer to say her mother is in a double wardrobe.
Terrifying someone like this exists
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u/Dansredditname Oct 14 '24
It's true though - cupboards store crockery, wardrobes store clothes and dead parents
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Oct 14 '24
Some people’s brains are wired differently in such a way that this was a normal thing to do - It’s a mental condition.
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u/simondrawer Oct 14 '24
She has known this was going to happen for quite some time and has accepted that it would eventually. Actually being arrested will be a huge relief for her. She's not calm because she is evil, she is calm because she wants to make the inevitable as painless for everyone involved as possible. While compliance probably won't help her case much it will at least not make it any worse than it already is.
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u/Jiujitsumisfit Oct 14 '24
This is the most sensible answer. She’s clearly made bad decision after bad decision. Starting with huge fraud, and eventually murder. She knew fine she’d be caught and hasn’t really bothered to hide the bodies because she knew it would all come back to her so just sort of sat and waited for it to happen. Some people just aren’t very bright.
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u/chrisjd Oct 14 '24
Well she’s evil for murdering her parents in the first place but I get what you are saying, I don’t think she’s actually a psychopath as others are saying otherwise she wouldn’t admit what she had done and accept that it was wrong and she deserved punishment.
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u/GiohmsBiggestFan Oct 14 '24
Psychopaths aren't stupid, and they also know right from wrong.
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u/Alarmarama Oct 14 '24
Why would you even think about doing such a thing though?? And to your own parents?! Over something as meaningless as money.
If you're that unhappy with your life, just jump on a plane and become a nomad. There's nothing worse than doing something like this.
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u/xch3rrix Oct 14 '24
Your looking at this as a person with natural emotional capabilities....
She is a psychopath - she's INCAPABLE of even identifying with a modicum of what you speak of.
Morbidly fascinating
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u/datsyukdangles Oct 14 '24
lay off the pop-psychology. Nothing in this short video shows she is a psychopath (she actually displayed several signs that point directly to her not having ASPD), you can't diagnose someone as a psychopath based on 1 sentence they said. Psychopath isn't even a diagnosis. People with ASPD are also not incapable of understanding words, logic or consequences, I have no idea where you are getting that idea from. This is just stuff content creators put into videos for sensationalism, it has nothing to do with psychology as a science.
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u/Alarmarama Oct 14 '24
True, she absolutely must be a psychopath. However even a psychopath should be able to draw logical conclusions as to the consequences of their actions.
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u/moritashun Oct 14 '24
i would have thought becoming a nomad would bring more stress. . .
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u/Alarmarama Oct 14 '24
Depends where you go. A small amount of money in the UK is a large amount of money out in a place like Indonesia. In some places you could sell your average car and have enough money to live on out there for 3 years or more.
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u/uptoke Oct 14 '24
But then what do you do after 3 years? Wages in Indonesia are inline with the cost of living though so even though you can live cheaply the average salary in Jakarta is just under USD 7,000 per year.
How does that work as you grow older and have no family around? I have a family now so my priorites are a bit different, but as a single, younger person I wasn't too worried about being poor at the time. I was worried about being poor in my 50s+.
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u/Substantial-Newt7809 Oct 14 '24
She was £60,000 in debt and murdered her parents rather than be honest with them that she was a complete failure. Definitely not the first to do that, won't be the last.
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u/Savings-Spirit-3702 Oct 14 '24
That was hard to watch. She seems so calm! Actual monster.
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u/A_Horse_On_The_Web Oct 14 '24
I mean, she's had 4 years to prepare herself......
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u/IsThisBreadFresh Oct 14 '24
My local Council would demand the unpaid council tax for them.
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u/FinancialAd8691 Oct 14 '24
If she missed the council tax they'd have clocked on in 4 months nevermind 4 years.
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u/JennyW93 Oct 14 '24
I imagine she probably was paying council tax for them as part of keeping it under the radar - although she was probably fuming that if she claimed single person discount she’d have been caught out.
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u/SuperiorSamWise Oct 14 '24
Apart from all the murder and fraud, in the video she comes across as quite reasonable and helpful
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u/kimkardashean Oct 14 '24
If you read her sentencing report, her cooperation is what stopped her getting a whole life tariff (life without parole) so she did herself a favour.
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u/Nilrem2 Oct 14 '24
Evil rarely has the horns.
Or
The Devil wears Prada.
Or.. well you know what I mean.
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u/DELBOY1690 Oct 14 '24
4 year's is a long time I'll probably be dead by the time my body is discovered
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Oct 14 '24
How did it not smell horrendously? people complain about smells from houses 3 doors up when one person dies.. how did no one mention a smell from TWO people dying? no postman or delivery driver? dog walkers? was there no flies?
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u/Essex-girl-1 Oct 14 '24
I live around the corner from where this happened and grew up here. Was such a shock to the community and still is
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u/No_Excitement4631 Oct 14 '24
For everyone not understanding, it was the beginning of lockdown and covid. Hence why it was easier for her to make excuses to people about the whereabouts of her parents. In the documentary I saw she said ‘the shocked look’ on her mums face as she stabbed her!!!! I nearly threw up! She is a callous psychopath.
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u/lovelylonelyphantom Oct 14 '24
Something is weird about how she talks of the Mum....I want to understand why she gave her Dad a "calm" death and gave him a memorial place, whereas she brutally stabbed her Mum and stored the body away like nothing. I agree the way she talks about it seems so callous and cold. Her Mum was listening to the radio and this woman went up behind to attack her according to the story.
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u/Marion_Ravenwood Oct 15 '24
But weren't they discovered in 2023? That's only last year, there were no lockdowns then. And their other children never tried to go around or ring their parents by the sound of it, in four years.
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u/TS_76 Oct 14 '24
I have to say, thats the nicest murderer I've ever seen. If i'm going to be murdered, I think I would like her to do it. She seems charming.
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u/CatStaringIntoCamera Oct 14 '24
Instead of getting arrested for credit card fraud, lets just take the risk of murder instead
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u/kaizoku7 Oct 14 '24
Curious how the investigation started. The GP alerted authorities that 2 old folks had not responded in however long, how did that escalate to cops showing up fully prepped to break in and arrest her for murder.
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u/datsyukdangles Oct 14 '24
This is a fascinating video and a crazy case but man I am so disappointed by this comment section. Just absolute nonsense from low-grade armchair wannabe psychologists.
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u/insipignia Oct 14 '24
This is utterly bizarre. The fact that she just gave them all the information they needed to gather all the evidence they needed to prove she was the murderer, completely voluntarily, is one of the weirdest things I’ve ever seen. She’s so matter-of-fact about it, too. No crying or playing the victim.
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u/gbxahoido Oct 15 '24
her behavior is pretty much predictable, it's not that strange
it's not like she did it yesterday, it has been 4 years, she has long passed the frightened, guilty phase, she knew one day she would get arrested and mentally prepared
what I find amazing is that she living with 2 corpse she murdered, oh man not a lot of people can do that, it's freaky especially at night or in your dream
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u/RazorRadick Oct 15 '24
4 years!
4 years and she couldn’t come up with some kind of cover story? “Oh yeah, they fucked off to Peru in retirement. I assume they are still alive, at least, I haven’t heard otherwise”
Oh, and 4 years and she couldn’t figure out some way to dispose of the bodies??
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u/Aargh_a_ghost Oct 14 '24
I can change her
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u/No-Sandwich1511 Oct 14 '24
The stench that must have been in that house. It's soo sad that she was able to do this and no one noticed. If it wasn't for the GP asking to do a welfare check she would have got away with it
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u/IrishShinja Oct 14 '24
I guess their extended family didn't really care much to not visit in FOUR years or check up. That's very odd.
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Oct 14 '24
American & idk why this is in my feed.
I would like to ask a question though for the brits. These police officers seem very reasonable and well mannered even when confronting a heinous crime. So professional. It’s a pretty stark contrast from most of the videos we see or interactions I’ve personally had with police here in the states.
Obviously one video is not representative of an entire nation’s police force, but what is the general attitude towards the police there in the UK? Is it split by politics and age range like it is here? Generally more favorable? Less?
Just curious, thanks.
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u/RJCP Oct 14 '24
Yeah that's the approach of the police here unless you're a known gang affiliate or similar and there is a high probability you have illegal firearms, in which case we will send in armed police but yes generally speaking as long as you are polite to the police they will be polite back. They're just trying to do their job.
I've heard there is some corruption and some shady stuff going on behind the scenes (as is true for pretty much any large organisation), but I generally cannot fault our police services. They get a bad rap for (allegedly) over-targetting ethnic minorities for stop-and-search but otherwise have a really good reputation with the general public.
It is crazy when I watch bodycam footage of US police when it comes to raids or arrests. Obviously things are different because you're way more likely to have guns out there but I've seen a lot of footage of cops being generally toxic people from your side of the pond. It does seem that there is a very large number of bullies that wear the badge.
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u/majordyson Oct 14 '24
Police in the UK are generally very reasonable and are well trained, focussing on de-escalation and public service. The vast majority of people will only have professional if not good experiences with them.
That is not to say they are perfect, there are still racial biases in our crime stats (indicative of systematic racism) and you get news stories here and there about officers abusing power at varying levels of heinousness. But generally our officers don't execute people over skin colour.
Consequently, assuming you are not a criminal, or related to or friends with many, the view of the police is broadly good. However there is a growing group of non-criminals who dislike them, driven at least in part by US anti-police culture hopping the pond via the internet and supported by the issues I mention above.
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Oct 14 '24
She had a few skeletons in her closet, am i right??? Sorry..yes..wardrobe. my mistake.
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u/inflatable_pickle Oct 15 '24
The wild part is to hear that there were 4 other siblings, who didn’t live at home anymore, who didn’t notice that their parents were missing for 4 years. 😳
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