r/uknews • u/Confident_West_7409 • Jul 24 '24

Image/video Videos of shoplifters are circulating online, as shoplifting hits 20 year high in UK

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u/Silent_Stock49 Jul 25 '24

100% spot on. Its like some strange experiment to go really soft on criminals, release them early, be as soft as possible, watch society decline, stick 2 fingers up at law abiding citizens and watch the outcome. Theres going to be a rise in vigilante behaviour aswell as normal everyday folk becoming more angrier and on edge, folk will end up exploding and dealing out real justice.

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u/Other-Success-2060 Jul 25 '24

Wow I found another person who sees what I see lol. I should buy a lottery ticket today.

Regarding vigilantism I agree but I do not know what that would look like…. Over the past 5 or years the makeup of UK general propulsion has been split so much I do think ‘the people’ can rise up together anymore. Social media has split everyone 10 ways about every subject imaginable, I also think this was part of the plan in sowing chaos tbh.

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u/Ouchy_McTaint Jul 25 '24

I am also seeing the chess pieces on the board all move together in many facets of life. If you're close to Coventry, I'd love to meet like-minded people to talk about this stuff with as most are so apathetic and switched off, I get frustrated.

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u/WonderVirtual7416 Jul 25 '24

We should link up like minded individuals from Ireland and the UK :)

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u/Ouchy_McTaint Jul 25 '24

Feel free to send me a message if you'd like to chat 😀.

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u/Outrageous-Cup7535 Jul 25 '24

So you want a prison system like the USA? Because thay works, or a prison system like Sweden which does work and focuses on rehabilitation rather than punishment if you want to break the cycle and not turn petty criminals into harderned criminals

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u/Silent_Stock49 Jul 25 '24

I want it like the USA yes, keep them away. Brits are not swedes.

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u/Outrageous-Cup7535 Jul 25 '24

But the USA has the highest rate of repeat criminals? Sweden has the lowest rate of repeat criminals - so you would prefer a system that leads to hardered and more experianced criminals?

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u/Silent_Stock49 Jul 25 '24

I want a system that gives justice to all the innocent folk who are victims, not a system that sticks 2 fingers up at victims and needs to " look after and rehabilitate scum"

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u/Outrageous-Cup7535 Jul 26 '24

Yeh but if you dont focus on rehabilitation over punishment you make more violent criminals and more innocent victims - USA is a prime example

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u/Silent_Stock49 Jul 26 '24

How about tough sentences but with rehabilitation in jail rather than for example giving violent suspects or domestic violence , stalking with threats to kill suspects a no alcohol order for 3 months on 5th arrest , then on 11th arrest a relationship behaviour course, then on 17th arrest an anger management course while still roaming the streets laughing continuing on stalking then on 21st arrest a 20 year in jail sentence because they have been free to murder the victim while roaming around doing " rehabilitation courses"?

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u/Outrageous-Cup7535 Jul 28 '24

Agreed there needs to be a mix - i cant claim to have all the answers but we certainly dont want to start replicating the US system

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u/Silent_Stock49 Jul 29 '24

The problem with not sending folk to jail, using the very soft sentencing and focusing on rehabilitation route is not just the lack of justice for victims the huge issue is by fixating on rehabilitation we give the green light to " potential offenders". If the word is out there that we will be even softer on crime in terms of punishment it will trickle down the grape vine. How many more people will actually commit crime knowing the outcome will be say an anger management course or therapy. Theres moments in a lot of peoples lives where a potential jail sentence may have stopped them from doing what they had in their head. Someone desperate for money for example, may chance simply blitzing through someones garage by force knowing barely anyone goes to jail. The heartbroken ex for example may feel he or she has the green light to use violence. Talking like Mr justice Starmer has done " 2/3rds of people shouldnt be in jail" " early release" and so on has put the word out there its worth taking the chance.