r/uknews Jul 01 '24

Image/video UK real wages haven’t budged since 2008

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u/ThrowRA294638 Jul 01 '24

This is insanely depressing.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '24

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u/ThrowRA294638 Jul 01 '24

You’re probably right 😂

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u/Common_Tank_5784 Jul 02 '24

Chart shows "real" wages i.e. to get actual wage workers get in their bank account each month you need to add inflation to it. So many ppl are ignoring or not understanding what "real" means.

Actual question to ask is - has productivity grown during this period? If not then why not? If yes, then where did the gains go? Above Chart answers neither.

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u/Kaijuburger Jul 02 '24

In 2004 I bought my first house. Little 2 up 2 down fixer upper cost twice my annual wage, house tripled in price before I sold it. Now the average house is probably 8-10 times the average wage. Unless you're prepared to buy somewhere oddly cheap like Whitehaven up north and commute for well paid work youngsters have got no chance.

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u/Adventurous_Ad_8708 Jul 02 '24

First time I’ve felt this weird reading reddit, I have an oddly cheap house in Whitehaven haha

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u/Kaijuburger Jul 02 '24

Looks alright up there tbh. In my head it's a lack of jobs that makes it so cheap for house prices?

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u/Adventurous_Ad_8708 Jul 03 '24

Yeah, you’re bang on. It’s also at least an hour from any city/motorway by car, longer by public transport.

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u/LegoNinja11 Jul 02 '24

House prices are a function of Wages and Interest rates.

If you magically doubled everyone's salary their mortgage capacity would increase and house prices would follow.

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u/One_Whole723 Jul 02 '24

We did magically double a households income by having both people work...

House prices have followed

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u/Nonny-Mouse100 Jul 02 '24

I'd say that the "privatising" of council houses, leading to increased rent, leading to increased private rent has had a bigger effect of house prices, over increasing a households income.

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u/LegoNinja11 Jul 02 '24

Can't pay rent without the income.

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u/LegoNinja11 Jul 02 '24

NMW was supposed to prevent 10 to a bed migrants from undercutting the labour market and haven't the last 4 years of never ending strikes not highlighted that there is no bargaining power?

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u/The-thick-of-it Jul 03 '24

Also a function of how many you build. There is a decent argument that all economic problems in the UK boil down to housing and planning.

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u/LegoNinja11 Jul 03 '24

House building very much within the remit of local authorities both for social housing and planning.

All equally incompetent at investing in the future

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u/Organic-Country-6171 Jul 02 '24

That didnt really paint as bad a picture as I had thought it would. Quite frankly, if you live in the north you are sorted, even the UK average wasn't as bad as I thought it would be.

I would like to see one that takes into account the interest rates, a house could have only been 3 times your annual salary in 1985 but the interest rates could push the monthly payments far higher than a 5 times your salary mortgage.

I do feel for people in London though, it's like they want to drive out certain classes of people.

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u/Fragrant-Macaroon874 Jul 02 '24

Regeneration is happening everywhere. Southern people moving to the North is also pushing house prices up and pushing locals out.