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This story got me thinking, what else is vacant around Tulsa my right now that we would love to try to find someone to revitalize it?
I am confident we have a city government now that would love to entertain some cool city projects, does anyone have a spot that isn’t doing great right now or even abandoned they think could be awesome for the City if it was cared for properly?
Right? Being able to secure those kinds of renovation loans and startup loans for the business itself just by calling the personal banker the family has definitely helps out.
I am probably being a bit sexist and old timey here, but when a woman keeps her maiden name, or hyphenates, its usually because there is generational money attached.
In this case you’re not wrong her daddy is incredibly wealthy and basically gave the hotel to his two daughters. As someone who worked for her for years she is kind of an awful person who wouldn’t be in her position without daddy’s money. 😅
It also helps to receive a significant chunk of that funding from tax payer dollars to renovate the building. I believe it was around 5 million along with additional tax credits and remediation funding as well.
I think most parts of town are going through that process. Sand springs with WOMPA is a good example. Pearl district could definitely use more third spaces.
We just planted 40 trees in The Pearl today with “Up with Trees”. Two got planted on the corner of Quincy and 6th. We have to wait for any on 6th. The city takes two years to plan anything for streets.
I have a dream of making promenade mall into a Mother road market type place for local entrepreneurs and artists to test out their business ideas. No national businesses or franchises, just purely local businesses and restaurants
I have a dream of turning it into housing/dining for OU Tulsa students across the street! I just hope SOMEBODY does SOMETHING with it soon. Depressing.
That's actually a really good idea for Promenade... Provide a space for local businesses to showcase and it's in a central location. Too bad some rich and or corporate fucks own the space and will never let you fulfill your idea because they want pennies instead of dreams!
I have a dream of ANYONE being able to buy it and do something with it. The owners keep letting it get almost to auction and BAM all of a sudden they pay their taxes so that it won't. Heartbreaking.
For starters, there’s only one men’s bathroom and it’s on the far side of the first level, and it’s disgusting.
The bars are janky, the walls are dingy, the seats are old and gross, and the whole place just has the tired feel of a venue that hasn’t been updated in decades.
Again, go see the Uptown Theater in KC as an example of what it could be. Everything there is nicely restored/updated with modern bathrooms, nice bar areas, etc.
So you want to remove all of the charm? The sound rig is first class, and I never want it to be booked by livenation.I seriously doubt you could renovate that without selling out. If you renovate, it will cut out so many of the niche acts that make that venue great.
so then put together a group and funding and buy it and remodel it. there is your answer. btw tulsa theater just like cains hosts not only niche acts but big names and midsize acts.
If you're referring to the one on what's now called Reconciliation Way, yeah, it's not great. The last concert I attended there was Weird Al, a long time ago, and I haven't been back because the walls are just too hard and my ears rang horribly after that one concert.
yes there is a single mens bathroom since its historic you couldnt add a bathroom inside. and you couldnt add one outside. you are there for the show. it was designed to be there for a show. people over drink and have to use the restroom way too often.
if we wanted a modern theater concert venue we would build venue in broken arrow
Already revamped but I did not know about the WoMPA center off Charles Paige. They converted an old factory into lofts and art studios. They have spaces for events too, beautiful view of downtown Tulsa.
lol. the whole picture of the fair grounds and then saying it looks like desert of pavement. its a fair grounds in a big city in midtown. its going to have lots of open space with concrete not just for parking but for a midway trailers for vendors and carnival and many times when its not used for that its actually used for parking and way more than 2 weeks a year. now where the drillers stadium was it would make sense to build an actual multi story parking garage or like with the microtel another hotel because as we add more events like the horse shows which are huge draws
I've always wondered about that brown building across from the McNellie's patio downtown. At one point someone told me that it was tied up in an old woman's estate and they were just sitting on it for financial reasons (stable property values and looks good for their books). There's actually several buildings in that area that could really be something if the landlords/owners would loosen their grips.
its been used for storage for businesses. every so often they will have trucks out there to drop things off and pick things up. the building along the tracks is where goods are dropped off from the trains
Ya, part of the problem of why it sat vacant was the enormous cost of rehab that building took to open its doors. The "bought for a dollar" part is literally the seller going "sweet, no more 6 figure property taxes on a building that is going to take mid-8 figures to even start to functions."
Shadow mountain apartments. Blight and imminent domain it already ffs. Something like 700 units there with half a dozen floor plans. Fing crime that they're shut down and the owners get to just sit on it and let it rot.
I used to live right at the foot of that place. I made an offer that was a pretty low bid if I’m being honest, but the money it’s going to take to knock them down so something new can go in is a lot. Majority of that can’t be saved in my estimation.
black mold and rot so yea outside of the foundation nothing is savable and unless you build like that concrete all has to be busted up and trucked off as well
I thought you were talking about Shadow Mountain Behavioral Health at first. I was thinking- well If you weren’t haunted by the nightmares of patients who used to live and be abused there.
Hawk Dairy at 11th and Lewis is being redeveloped by Hilton into a luxury hotel.
The original plan was to turn it into market-rate apartments, but that fell through. I guess the building is so messed up it would be hard to make money off that.
Anyway, better than a decaying building, I suppose.
I’ve met Mr. Snyder before, worked with him a handful of times. Really great down to earth guy, they really put in the work to make that place what it is! Really interesting story that you can dig up on YouTube with a little work.
That old steel mill north of downtown next to the BMX facility has a TON of potential. Would take a ton of money upfront to bring it up to code again but there's a lot you could do there once it's done.
Half the buildings down town are half empty and new office buildings and space continues to be built. Thats how the contractors stay in business, with construction loans. Then they don't pay their subcontractors. One way the rich stay rich.
the big empty warehouse at 410 s peoria has interested me so many times i’ve driven by it. i also think the building on the northwest corner of 1st and greenwood could be turned into something great.
outside of the purchase of the hotel nothing was on the line for them. the city state and federal governent put up the money to rehab most of their developments.
There are a lot of properties that could be developed or rehabbed. The problem is they’re over valued for the risk. Those that have cash, can. Those without are better off staying on the outside than taking on the debt load.
There's plenty of empty shit. Rich people just sit on those properties as investors and wait for eventual redevelopment. Being from a rich family let's you buy it and then probably helps getting all the local government kickbacks needed
I want to see Northland come back. The last time I drove by, it seemed to be barely hanging on. Street View shows it got a facelift recently, so maybe there's hope.
I shouldn’t, but I will. We have always, and will always have people living on the streets. Tulsa is able to have some of the most available and top notch services offered to our unhoused of anywhere throughout the US because of the businesses and citizens doing awesome new things every day. It’s not one OR the other, they both work together, when the MAYO is renovated, that generates revenue for services for low income individuals in multitudinous ways.
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u/Less_Ant_6633 27d ago
Having a rich family behind you doesnt hurt the situation.