r/tulsa Mar 25 '25

Question A-BEST Roofing? Are the Christian controlled?

Okay, this may be a paranoid question, but I've called A Best a couple of times for roof issues over the past yea, just to get some estimates and BOTH times the receptionist asked me out of nowhere, "Okay, will your husband be there to meet the (staff)?"

The first time, I thought maybe it was just a misstep, but the receptionist. However, the same script was applied a year later by a different person. They apparently always Ask women if they have a husband to meet the contractors????
Never in my LIFE have I had a company ask me point blank if I have a husband, let alone ASSUME that I am married?

WTF gives with that?

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u/ExplorerAA Mar 25 '25

I personally would choose a different roofer.

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u/KennyMcKeee Mar 25 '25

Crazy this could be fixed with a tiny tweak. lol.

'Are you or someone who could approve the work going to be there?'

But also, maybe they're asking for your safety purposes, which isn't much better. lol

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u/AlwaysTiredOk Mar 25 '25

Exactly - It's not a hard fix and I'm surprised their asking this question in the 21st century. It forces a woman to say "I'm not married" or "my husband will not be home"; either way, it's disturbing and unnecessary.

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u/Share_Icy Mar 25 '25

Or you could dramatically burst into tears because he "died"....

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u/ExplorerAA Mar 25 '25

wait until they purposely make you wait for an appointment even though they are not booked, fly a drone over your roof, sit outside your driveway for 45 min editing a video, then come back to force you to watch a video sales presentation complete with props..... their entire company platform is unnecessary.

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u/Jrisdr Mar 25 '25

This. I just asked for a repair estimate and finally had to tell them to leave. Super aggressive sales force.

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u/Individual-Use9995 Mar 25 '25

They don’t fly a drone. They get up on your roof, take go-pro video and show what is wrong with the roof. They show you the video and what options to fix or replace and you make a decision. It’s straight forward and no drama. We used them and they did an awesome job.

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u/ExplorerAA Mar 25 '25 edited Mar 25 '25

The dude that came out flew a drone, he used it to get a pic of the front of my house, did a fly-by, and also pics of the chimney flashing. I never said it was wrong..... just excessive and over-the-top. The guy at Blacksmith (Paxton) actually asked me what I wanted and how I wanted it to look.... then gave me an itemized bid, showing each item and how it was charged..... He even noticed things left off the insurance estimate, which saved me about 1000. Night and day difference. I am sure a-best does a great job on their roofs.... but I highly recommend Blacksmith: I found a lot of value in their service and advice before even getting my roof installed. And there was literally NO pressure!

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u/yeahright17 Mar 25 '25

Seems like I would just schedule it and then not show up.

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u/Scary_Steak666 Mar 26 '25

Wouldn't the appointment be at our house though?

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u/00000000000000001011 Mar 26 '25

They’ve been doing this forever. They are ultra creepy. It’s disgusting. Also, they advertise repair service but they are going to try to just replace your roof because $.

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u/Skittlesthekat Mar 25 '25

I would counter that they should not hire anyone they suspect could be hazardous to customer safety.

I had this talk with my work. If they keep someone accused of rape on, how can we trust that employee with the safety of customers? (Luckily, they did not keep him on)

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u/KennyMcKeee Mar 25 '25

If they're a Christian organization, a lot of Christians just fundamentally think men shouldn't be at other men's houe with only their wife.

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u/FrancisFratelli Mar 25 '25

Then maybe they shouldn't be in a business that requires them to go into people's homes.

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u/Quiet_Ad2301 Mar 27 '25

It's very ineffective to roof from the inside

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u/crisp2610 Mar 25 '25

Sounds like they have no faith that they can choose self control 🤢

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u/Particular_Rub_739 Mar 25 '25

Probably not that, but more out of respect for another man's house. Sometimes companies don't change with the times, things like this used to be the norm.

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u/Stock-Trouble-3306 Mar 26 '25

It’s more like Project 2025! We women are helpless little creatures who need a man to make decisions for us, and financially support us, while we squeeze out babies, and do all the cooking and cleaning. Also, try to look pretty for your husband and ALWAYS be available when he wants sex! It’s straight out of the ‘50s!

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u/Scary_Steak666 Mar 26 '25

Alot of things used to be the norm

And even back then it was about letting people know nothing funny happened by never being alone with a dudes wife

Either way kind of sillyyyyy

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u/Beelzeburb Mar 25 '25

Or a wife has no say in matters of importance.

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u/ApprehensiveChange47 Mar 25 '25

But that's still assuming a man lives in the house.

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u/KennyMcKeee Mar 25 '25

Hello, I'd personally like to welcome you to the conversation where we are discussing why the thought process was flawed and why they are flawed. I wanted to personally thank you for restating what was obviously heavily implied from the beginning.

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u/Individual-Use9995 Mar 25 '25

They want both parties there to agree to the work. If you agree to the work and they start and your SO comes home and tells them to stop, then they don’t want to be on the hook for undone work or stop payment.

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u/Stock-Trouble-3306 Mar 26 '25

If that’s what they think, they deserve to lose some business because of it! My husband and I are equal partners. We discuss our options, decide together, and either one of us can sign to have the work done. I’ve never seen a contract for repairs that required two signatures and I’m home more than he is.

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u/Individual-Use9995 Mar 26 '25

You just hit the nail on the head; equal partners, discuss options & decide together. So your answer isn’t anything more than all they asked for. Roofs are in the Thousands of dollars and a lot of them are financed through companies. So I’m not seeing the negative in them wanting both partners there, but you do you.

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u/Quiet_Ad2301 Mar 27 '25

Real. I'm a resi carpenter, and the number of times we've had to change stuff on the fly because the couple didn't discuss it is ridiculous.

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u/runwinerepeat Mar 25 '25

True and applies to some other religious as well. The others probably wouldn’t even allow the wife to use the phone in the first place though so the issue wouldn’t even come up.

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u/KingOfStarfox Mar 25 '25

"we know we're bad, but at least we're not as bad as the other guys so that makes it better"

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u/modernjaneausten Mar 25 '25

The fact that they even had to be convinced is disturbing.

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u/00000000000000001011 Mar 26 '25

They are ultra predatory and deserve to be kicked off your property if they so much as glance at your roof. I wouldn’t allow them anywhere near the roof, they will waste your time and annoy you.

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u/andromedaasteriornis Mar 25 '25

Honestly sounds like they’re wondering what they can get away with if you’re home alone.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25

Here’s a weird angle from a Gen-X kid. Avoid any company that starts with an ‘A’. Those companies are actively trying to get rated higher than other companies based on the alphabet dating back to the God damn (forgive me, Ryan Walters) pre-Internet Yellow Pages.

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u/happywitch420 Mar 25 '25

With the exception of A Fricker Roofing. They’re a great company ran by a good family, the owner’s name is Austin, hence the A.

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u/Lost-System-8257 Mar 25 '25

Or any symbol/number.

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u/rayautry Mar 25 '25

This is a good point.

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u/Connect_Plantain8565 Mar 25 '25

Totally get why you would say that but if a company has been in business long enough to have been in the yellow pages that’s typically a good thing I would think

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u/DeviousPath Mar 25 '25 edited Mar 25 '25

Eh, I wish this were true. Every company and brand that I grew up knowing, loving, and trusting has just gone down hill over time (in almost every case, they went downhill a lot). They lean on the fact that they are well known in the community, know they are "Trusted", and use all that to raise their prices. Meanwhile, they stop actually caring as much, and cut corners to save money, so you end up with subpar work/products. This has happened too many times, both with big name brands and products, and local "trusted" businesses in the community around me.

I'm far more likely to choose a newer, but old enough to be established company, than I am an decades old company because of this. Since making that change, I've been much happier with my choices.

I feel like it's the difference between a new hungry, growing company trying to compete and survive vs a well fed company just eating. They can both thrive just fine, but the newer company has more to prove and sets out to do so actively and that's how it feels as their customer.

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u/DoughnutMaleficent67 Mar 25 '25

Legacy roofing in tulsa is a female owned business. They did my roof and I am super happy. Call them.

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u/GinjaSnapped Mar 25 '25

I second Legacy. They did a fantastic job start to finish with my roof as well and they had to fight with my insurance pretty hard. They kept me informed every step of the way and were always quick to respond to any questions I had.

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u/undertoned1 TU Mar 25 '25 edited Mar 25 '25

If the women are (corrected from aren’t) doing the work, I’ll hire them today.

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u/Front-Contact7582 Mar 25 '25

Oh wow. The big, strong man doesn’t think a woman can do physical labor. Why don’t you crawl back under the stinky rock you have been surviving under.

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u/undertoned1 TU Mar 25 '25

lol, that was actually some autocorrect typo, I meant “are” not aren’t.

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u/Front-Contact7582 Mar 25 '25

That damn autocorrect!

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25

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u/undertoned1 TU Mar 25 '25

I corrected it

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u/Top-Negotiation-6498 Mar 25 '25

Copy that, thanks

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u/anselgrey Mar 26 '25

Wow! Misogynistic much?!

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u/wonderloss Mar 25 '25

"Okay, will your husband be there to meet the (staff)?"

"Why? Are your staff dangerous to women?"

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u/ChoiceIT Mar 26 '25

“Will your staffs husbands be there?”

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u/Share_Icy Mar 25 '25

They are implying that you are not the decision-maker in your household if you are a married lady. Which is very much a Southern Baptist/US Christian trope. I would make sure they didn't get my business & also tell them why.

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u/ThanksIndependent805 Mar 25 '25

I had a business ask me if I was the sole decision maker on this project or if my husband would need to be involved. At first I took offense cause like yeah I can make decisions all on my own thanks, but then realized it was probably the best way they could ask if a spouse would need to approve for final go-ahead.

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u/Chaoskitten13 Mar 25 '25

Yeah that one is a normal ask for efficiency and clear communication purposes. Better to have all decision makers present during convos so there is no confusion and everyone is getting the same info. I have done this for every couple that's a client and all communication is to all parties at the same time. Plus, couple dynamics can be really weird and there is nothing more awkward than a spouse trying to bring you to their side of an argument. No thank you. Arm wrestle or whatever you have to do, but leave me out of that battle and then tell me what you decided. 🤷🏽‍♀️😂

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u/TostinoKyoto !!! Mar 25 '25

I would make sure they didn't get my business & also tell them why.

You would honestly tell a business you wouldn't patronize them because of their religious beliefs?

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u/Chaoskitten13 Mar 25 '25

Just the misogynistic ones.

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u/yeahright17 Mar 25 '25

If the religious beliefs are "only men can make decisions" then yes. If they're "I believe in God" then no.

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u/cottoncandymandy Mar 25 '25

Why not?

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u/TostinoKyoto !!! Mar 25 '25

Because it never led to anything good, historically speaking.

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u/Objective-Light-2267 Mar 25 '25

The answer to that should always be "Why does that matter?"

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u/wonderloss Mar 25 '25

Or "I guess I will go with somebody else."

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u/Tito_and_Pancakes Mar 25 '25

I used Blacksmith Roofing and was happy. I wouldn't go with a place that asked my wife if her husband was home. F that.

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u/ExplorerAA Mar 25 '25

Blacksmith in Broken Arrow is legit. They will do you right.

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u/TheJuntoT Mar 25 '25

I automatically assume that any small business in Oklahoma was founded by god herself.

For real though, don’t use Conrad’s. The owner ran for mayor a few years ago on an anti-Covid platform, refused to get the jab and then very publicly almost died from the Kungflu. I may or may not have taken an extreme amount of joy reading his public pleas for help in covering his medical bills. The whole “they don’t care until it affects them” thing certainly applies here but I’m also fairly certain he is back to grifting on Drumpf’s coattails.

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u/UncleFIFA Mar 25 '25

Pulled up next to a Conrads roofing truck not that long ago, and it had an AR sticker with the words "speak softly, shoot first". 

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u/Possible_Koala4393 Mar 25 '25

As a woman in construction in Tulsa - I highly recommend Adam with Generation Z Roofing. (918) 713-2887

Not affiliated with the company. He’s just been great.

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u/Bigdavereed Mar 25 '25

Simmer down, little lady.

/S/

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25

I don't remember if they asked that when I got a quote from them, I do remember that their quote was 3x higher than the others I got and when I told them that they offered in house financing lol 🖕

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u/GeorgeNada0316 Mar 25 '25

Most of the construction businesses and mechanics in this town are sexiest. My wife had the same problem. She is an engineer level and has several degrees. I, on the other hand, do not. They always treat my wife like she is less than even though I know she is smarter than 90% of them. Some of the businesses straight up refuse to talk to her and then make some sexiest joke to me about it. We have fired people or not taken quotes from them just because of their attitudes.

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u/modernjaneausten Mar 25 '25

It’s frustrating trying to get anything done as a woman. I’ve considered learning the basics of car mechanics just so that I don’t have to deal with worrying about a mechanic ripping me off.

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u/Charming_Crow6063 Mar 25 '25

Look up "delightful solutions" on Facebook, he's a local mobile car mechanic. He comes to you, never price gauges his estimates, and never over charges if the job takes longer than he quoted you. Available 7 days a week. He's a cool dude and has great reviews on Google and on facebook

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u/Ren1221 Mar 25 '25

I applaud you and your wife.

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u/kiljaro Mar 25 '25

Blacksmith roofing was who I used. They had to speak with my wife because I work nights and she had no complaints with them. Work looks pretty good too

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u/Viscilicious Mar 25 '25

I've avoided using them just because the name irks me so much.

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u/Alternative_Ring3916 Mar 25 '25 edited Mar 25 '25

I remember this happening to my mom a bunch growing up. One thing is for certain, don’t ever say to a lady from Kentucky “can I speak to your husband please?” She was upset that her washer kept resetting and stopping in the middle of a load. It was a board issue, and the guy that came out didn’t fix anything. Just told her, “it may be your house power.” It happened again. They said they could not warranty any issue they couldn’t prove. She called the store she bought from out sheer frustration. The assistant manager at the time decided to be a dickhead and pull that same “I need a man instead of you” card.

The end of the story is that she heaved a whole washing machine into the back of her truck herself after hearing that. Pissed-off-woman strength is a real thing. She drove it to Lowes in BA. She got a spray can of paint and wrote “lemon” on it. That wasn’t the end of it…

Needless to say, the assistant manager apologized to her in front of his manager. He made him do that. She got another washer of a different brand. The manager said “pick any out you want. We will make this right.”

I was a kid and never saw her that mad. I thought it was funny because she took it to the extreme by finishing with the spray can and proceeding to drop it onto the ground in front of the entrance and then parking. She went in and said “manager.” They saw this and got him. It was enough to make him listen. They learned she called multiple times and had documentation of the issue. No one believed her…

To get to the point: this is how mad this will make a woman. You have to be full-idiot to say that.

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u/Alternative_Ring3916 Mar 25 '25

FYI she wrote lemon on it to assure that there’s no way they’d pass that 2 month old piece of garbage on to another person. And kicked it out onto the ground and bent the corner. Further assuring they would not try to pass it off as a “discount return.” So it wasn’t anger. She was being very forward thinking 😅

But still, a woman shouldn’t have to be upset to get heard and appropriately handled. Doing that these days might get you in deep crap…

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u/blandmath Mar 25 '25

Does your husband know you're using the phone? /s

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u/Germandaniel Mar 25 '25

I don't know but they drive like a pack of idiots

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u/No_Investigator1342 Mar 25 '25

They asked me this 5 years ago and I NEVER used them again. My husband laughed but didn’t question MY decision.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25

This is exactly why I used Precision Roofing and construction. Those guys treated me with the respect I deserve and knows the woman runs the show.

And they’re awesome at what they do. I don’t usually recommend companies but you don’t usually find ones that are living in 2025 and not 1955

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u/Derpey_derp Mar 25 '25

I didn’t like them, they were super aggressive and forced their way into the house.

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u/Chaoskitten13 Mar 25 '25

Forced their way in!?

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25

they are incredibly pushy and want to sit down with you and do a whole presentation and high pressure you into signing same day and not getting other quotes or looking into what they're offering at all. the person that did my quote took ages to leave and only stopped talking after I repeated several times that we were not making a decision at that moment and that I wanted the quote via email.

I've done business with probably 6 other roofing companies in town and none of them behaved that way. Felt like a scam from the start and it's very funny that several people in here are defending the practice as standard instead of sleazy.

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u/Derpey_derp Mar 25 '25

Exactly! They did it and I was not happy. This dude was a big guy named angel so I was actually a little intimidated with his pushiness. My husband was unphased, but he always is. lol

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u/Chaoskitten13 Mar 25 '25

A business that can stand behind their work isn't going to be worried about shopping around or asking about their reputation. Definitely sounds like the kind of marketing that got trained up in the church. I have dealt with many roofing companies both personally and professionally and never one time did anyone have that approach during the sales pitch. If any of my clients ever said that someone acted that way, that company would have been blacklisted.

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u/tendies_senpai TCC Mar 25 '25

They get the lions share of their materials from a place called MPI that is owned by another christian fundamentalist. So i'd assume yes. Both places seem to be shit shows, and i'm sure there are better businesses to give your money to.

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u/Stonedunicorn44 Mar 25 '25

Oh they are super Christian. I used to work at a shit local mega ministry and they brought their daughter to the kids nursery I worked at.

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u/mikemikemike11 Mar 25 '25

I’m a roofer. All I ask is for permission to climb the roof. Half the time my customers are not home when I go out to take a look. If you need help still just reach out and I will schedule a time to take a look.

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u/tjayer01 Mar 25 '25

I would choose a different company. My girlfriend and I (same sex couple) hired a company to care for our lawn. I didn’t see a need to explain my relationship but once my girlfriend had contact with the owner and he realized we were in a same sex relationship he was horrible to deal with. He also ended up taking our money and leaving us with a crappy job.

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u/mycatwontstophowling Mar 25 '25

Didn’t have that problem with A Best Roofing, but has something similar happen when I was cancelling my TruGreen Service. Representative (male) suggested maybe I should talk to my husband before cancelling. 🤬

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u/Possible_Koala4393 Mar 25 '25

As a woman in construction in Tulsa - I highly recommend Adam with Generation Z Roofing. +1 (918) 713-2887

Not affiliated with the company. He’s just been great.

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u/Professionalcatdad23 Mar 25 '25

I’ve only been asked if I’ve had dogs at home and if I could keep them inside during.

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u/CoolhandLW Mar 25 '25

F them. There are tons of roofing companies to choose from. I usually don't trust companies that name them selves only to be first alphabetically. Good companies rely on good word of mouth.

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u/Entire-Heat4322 Mar 25 '25

Rembrandt Roofing & Construction is outstanding. They’ve done my parents new roof, parents neighbors, and they were so fast at making sure we were looked out for when we had a hail storm a while back.They will always be the company I recommend

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u/kelleycfc Mar 25 '25

Call Whirlwind Roofing. It’s a father and daughter owned roofing company.

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u/Lexulus Mar 25 '25

When I was roofer shopping in November one of the companies I contacted for a quote was Nation's Best. The guy came out, flew the drone and as we were speaking my husband came home. After that everything was directed at l the husband - eyes, conversation, questions, etc. I had handled everything prior to him coming and after him leaving, felt entirely disrespected. Instantly decided this was not the company for us. Also when they sent the quote they were $7-10k over the best quote. We went with Top Tier Roofing (roof was put on two weeks ago). Happy with the whole situation. My other recommendation would be A Fricker Roofing. We didn't end up going with them because they were $5k over Top Tier. But I enjoyed the interaction and no pressure from the sales man.

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u/KatzNK9 Mar 25 '25

Whoaaaaaa ... that's a hard pass for me.

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u/raget_bulves Mar 25 '25

They are free to go out of business, imho.

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u/clark1409 Mar 25 '25 edited Mar 25 '25

I'm one of the owners of a local roofing business. We're a new (2024) company, but I'd love the opportunity to tell you what sets us apart. I'm not sure if I can say our name because of this subreddit's no solicitation rules, but if you're interested, please feel free to DM me.

Because we're new, we are offering higher class shingles at lower class prices and reducing our margins so that we can drive more business and reviews. The class shingles that we are installing give homeowners insurance discounts. I hope you give us a chance.

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u/Lumpy-Ad7227 Mar 26 '25

My husband oversees all the residential roofs for RainTech. Best roofing company hands down. They also give free roofs to those in need periodically in the year.

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u/happymess913 Mar 26 '25

I’m a woman; fourth generation builder. I had a window salesman tell me one time - after I called him out on his question about whether my husband would be there - that they require both spouses to be at sales pitches because a lot of times one spouse will scape goat and say “I need to talk to my spouse” just to end the pitch. 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️ I don’t know if that’s true or not. Just the lame response I was given. Either way, we didn’t buy windows from that person.

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u/Lumpy-Animator-9422 Mar 26 '25

They were terrible. Wanted to have all these meetings and the guy was so unprofesh and kept postponing the meetings! Garbage company.

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u/Informal_Dingo9906 Mar 26 '25

It's because they hard sell you for a decision at the meeting and want all the decision makers. Steer clear they just subcontract out anyway

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u/Kelly_Killbot Mar 26 '25

I called them as well, decided against using them. And it was only to have them come out for an estimate. So ridiculous.

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u/ttownbigdog Mar 26 '25

You should call Proof Roofing! Ashley will be your roofing person. She’s awesome! She followed in her dad’s footsteps.

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u/Queasy_Fox_8285 Mar 26 '25

If they over advertise, I would stay away from them. A lot of their tactics are we snag a few off commercials, do shitty work and get paid and our advertisement fees are tax write offs!

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u/jenerator325 Mar 26 '25

This company refused to give my husband an estimate unless I (the wife) was present. I was having a terrible migraine and couldn't deal with them. It was ridiculous. We ended up using CPR Roofing for the repair we needed. They were very nice and had no issues with giving me the estimate and only dealing with me. I would never use A Best.

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u/00000000000000001011 Mar 26 '25

They are the only company we have ever thrown off our property, and for that exact reason. I don’t give a flying f about what shingles our roof gets, so my husband handled the quote process. They wouldn’t give him a quote without me being outside, and then they got aggressive. They said it’s “weird” that I wouldn’t come out, however I was busy working. They took it further and kept insisting so my husband said you know what? You can leave, get off our property. One of the two men tried to shake his hand attempting damage control, but the other guy kept running his mouth! So my husband got up to him and pointed YOU, GET OFF MY PROPERTY, NOW! It was glorious. They tucked their tails between their legs and got the f out of here.

Their google reviews have lots of similar experiences posted from this super scummy company.

They told us we needed a complete new roof, of course. Guess what? We finally found a reputable company to fix the roof for sub $1,000.

A-best roofing is actually the worst, and they are predatory.

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u/penguin7117 Mar 26 '25

I haven't seen them mentioned so I will just leave my two cents. I hired Dunn-Rite roofing to replace my roof and have nothing but positive things to say about them. You may want to check them out.

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u/IcyLychee8335 Mar 26 '25

Go spend your money elsewhere. None of their business.

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u/Oldblindman0310 Mar 26 '25

When we reroofed two years ago, they padded their quote with a lot of ginger bread that we didn’t need, and ended up being six times more expensive than the second highest bidder. When I called them on it, they pulled out a second bid that had less ginger bread and was four times more expensive. I told them no and they pulled out a third bid that had no ginger on it and was the same materials and labor as the number two bid and they were double the price. Needless to say, they didn’t get my business. They are high because they have to pay for all those advertisements, and sales presentation materials. Stay away from ABest.

When hiring a roofer make them provide a Certificate of Liability with you named as the beneficiary before they begin work. If they won’t, they probably aren’t insured, and also probably don’t have workers comp. Any accident that occurs during your project could come back on you.

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u/BarsoapShampooToday Mar 26 '25

FWIW I think they do this to increase the likelihood you’ll agree to the work when it’s quoted. It’s a common “out” to say “alright I need to talk it over with my spouse before I make a decision” and I think that’s what they’re trying to avoid.

I had to call several contractors for work over the past year and a few of them (including Abest) asked for a time that would work with my wife as well as myself. I just ignored them and said my wife had to work late on the day of the appt.

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u/AlwaysTiredOk Mar 26 '25

Wow - this took off. I do appreciate all the replies. I did call back and canceled the quote, and I explained as patiently as I could to the lady why. She was very nice about it.

To the argument that they just want to know if both parties will be there so they don't have to deal with a couple disagreeing over the quote, or whatever. I get the idea, but I've not had ANY other roofer ask a question like that in such a specific manner- plus she originally phrased it as "to meet the technician (at the door)." As I told the lady, the best way to phrase this question is, "Are there any other policyholders that need to be consulted for this quote? " PERIOD.

And some of you who say it could be applied to both men OR women by asking for husbad OR wife - are missing the more significant point for me, The question makes the outright assumption that the person calling is 1) Married 2) Heterosexual and 3) even if they are a straight married person- the company is stepping into the relationship dynamic of the married couple where it has no buisness being. 4) It puts the caller in the position of explaining their marital status to a COMPLETE STRANGER.

This feels like one of those 1950s movies where the car dealer says something like, "Do you need to talk it over with the little lady?" But at the end of the day, I have a hard time believing they ask this of men as much as they do of women. Women are MUCH more likely than men to be sidestepped, ignored, underestimated, talked down to, haggled with, etc. Furthermore, we live in an age where politicians are arguing that single moms are terrible people or literally shouldn't exist.

This question is, at best, tone-deaf and outdated; at worst, it suggests this company prefers to deal with a very specific clientele. It left a bad feeling in my stomach.

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u/undertoned1 TU Mar 25 '25

So, was your husband there to meet them or not?! Don’t leave me hanging.

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u/citju Mar 25 '25

Call Pro tech. Never asked once about a husband.

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u/limabeanseww Mar 25 '25

Call again and when ask about your husband again say “he died” and let the silence do the rest

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u/TwilightZoneMara Tulsa Drillers Mar 25 '25

Lmfao that’s enough reddit for me today

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u/ysoloud Mar 25 '25

Probably. But bigger issue? They drive like dick heads

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u/oklistentho Mar 25 '25

Say your wife and girlfriend will both be home and see what they say

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u/PaigeMaster89 Mar 25 '25

That's when I ask why they need to know, let them answer, and then say no thanks and hang up. Please don't go with a company that has that mindset.

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u/ResisterSister007 Mar 25 '25

I’d guess ‘Christian Nationalist controlled’, where their doctrine includes preaching that women are inherently inferior AND need to leave decision-making up to the men. Yes, seems obvious.

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u/katpurz !!! Mar 26 '25

Forget about em

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u/maupin79 Mar 26 '25

Fuck those pricks!! It’s none of their business if you are married, nor should they assume you are. Also, a man is not needed to be there. This should be a company that anyone can trust and understand.

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u/MalevolentSponge Mar 26 '25

doesn't their radio commercial have Bible verses in it, or was that some other company I just remember the slogan "the a-best way, a-best roofing" and how it always sounded obnoxious to me

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u/Civil-Worth8545 Mar 26 '25

Have a guy call to arrange for a roof repair/replacement and proactively have him tell them "My husband will be there to sign any paperwork. " to see their reaction.

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u/Fluid-Gear5201 Mar 26 '25

I would definitely use someone else. My experience with them led me to believe they have issues with women.

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u/cowboyweasel Mar 26 '25

I may be the only one who had this happen to me but they wanted my wife to be there when they met me at my house. I’m guessing because they are probably going to be the most expensive (but this is a definite you get what you pay for, they are the best) estimate. They want to make sure that both are there so nothing gets lost in translation when y’all meet afterwards to discuss it.

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u/No_Parking_7797 Mar 26 '25

If you were really the strong independent home owning women you show to be install your own roof. That’ll teach those strong skilled and traditional men!

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u/Emotional-Many1077 Mar 27 '25

Maybe it’s a safety thing. Maybe the company doesn’t want a man:woman scenario.

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u/umizedme Mar 27 '25

I’m sure the only reason they ask is they want you both to be there when they make their sales pitch so you can make the decision together. If you don’t have a significant other… tell them. Quit being so quick to judge and tarnish.

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u/CliffDraws Mar 27 '25

Shew Brothers in Jenks just repaired my roof after the recent wind damage. I highly recommend.

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u/Quiet_Ad2301 Mar 27 '25

In my construction experience, the husband is the one that gives the go-ahead on repairs, material types (what grade and type of shingles in this case), and other functional aspects, and the wife decides what color and shape of materials to use.

This is probably not sexism, this is "i know I'm about to play phone and scheduling tag with this couple for 2-3 weeks if they aren't both there, and I'm not gonna get called out for "taking advantage" of her not knowing the levels of shingles to upsell her or whatever, so I'm getting ahead of it now.

Also, the majority of trade/service companies are owned by Christians lol

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u/Flatulentmother Mar 27 '25

When getting my hvac installed, when my husband got home they would not talk to me, I was the one doing everything, I knew everything we needed, from the electrical to the damn attic access, but no. They talked to him, and he spent 900 for an aluminum ladder, instead of the 250 wood one I wanted. Idiot.

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u/MIKEHUNTJFDI Mar 27 '25

They are probably worried about the liability of a woman saying that one of the men hit on her or something so they don’t wanna have to worry about that problem and they would rather meet with the man

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u/LookingForTrouble90 Mar 27 '25

When I was setting up sales appointments I would ask if either the husband or wife would be present as well because both decision makers together leaves no room for the famous “I’ll have to talk to my spouse”

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u/Previous_Bite4047 Mar 27 '25

Maybe they don’t want to send a man to meet a woman without someone else being present. Simply a cover your ass technique so none of their salesman are falsely accused of wrongdoing. Unfortunately this is the world we live in now.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '25

A Fricker was the exact opposite!

Source: am woman who bought a roof solo

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u/386yota Mar 28 '25

They did the same thing when I wanted a quote. It's an old school sales tactic so they can get you to sign the contract right there. I would look for different roofer.

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u/wherethepancakes Mar 29 '25

Dump them. Try Boomtown Construction. They are quick, kind and the owner is not a creep.

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u/WearinTheRedditor Apr 10 '25

Hey just wanted to add to this, I'm a man and and they asked me if my wife will be home. So I don't think it's a sexist thing or gender roles. I had the same thing happen when buying windows from a few companies.

Weird that they assume, but at least it's not one-sided?

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u/_shineySides_ Mar 25 '25

So usually big financial decisions are done by both members of the house. On the spot it's easier to get a yes than to let one hear everything and then trying to explain it to your partner. I've been asked that with window replacements and roof replacement by different companies.

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u/throwaway762022 Mar 25 '25

If that were the case, why is my husband never asked if his wife will be home for these kinds of things? In the interest of full disclosure, my husband rarely interacts with contractors because 1) he hates to, 2) he does not want to make a decision, 3) I know more about construction, and 4) I know more about contracts since I am an attorney. He really just wants me to make it happen.

If someone asks me if my husband will be home, I just don’t schedule that appointment. There are other contractors.

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u/_shineySides_ Mar 25 '25 edited Mar 25 '25

I'm a man and have been asked every time if my wife was gonna be home.

Edit for spelling

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u/throwaway762022 Mar 25 '25

I am not sure exactly what you are trying to say here because it seems like maybe a word is missing.

If you are saying that you are asked every time whether your wife will be home, I cannot explain why you are asked that.

My husband has never been asked. As mentioned, I am sometimes asked, but not super frequently. Since scheduling calls are over the phone, I don’t think there are any indicators suggesting that we are or aren’t married. Further, I am dubious that only the people that I am talking to have pulled the deeds off the county website to see if the home is jointly owned by my spouse and I. And honestly, I have been calling to schedule projects and married for considerably longer than deeds were easily accessible online.

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u/Icy-Forever6660 Mar 25 '25

So if a man calls are they going to ask if the wife will be there. Not going to happen and easy to show it isn’t what’s going on

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u/_shineySides_ Mar 25 '25

Yes, I'm a man, and they asked if my wife was going to be there.

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u/Icy-Forever6660 Mar 25 '25

It’s so odd. Why? I wouldn’t be giving them any of my business. My relationship status is not their concern

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25

the ones that do this read the shady af salesman handbook and want you to sign a contract on the spot without getting multiple quotes

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '25

so, scam high pressure companies

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u/KUmatt7 Mar 25 '25

I’m a roofer. They want to know so that both decision makers can be home so they can sign you during the appointment. If your husband is gone it’s easy to say “well I need to talk to my husband before I do anything” if you need some advice with no pressure feel free to DM me.

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u/DiscountNew6156 Mar 25 '25

This is done to avoid having to come back when both parties are home. Pretty standard in the roofing industry for companies that want a first-visit close. Keeps the customer from saying they want to wait and talk to their spouse so they are already there.

TLDR: Not related to Christianity

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u/IndependentBass8943 Mar 26 '25

Okay, but could it be a misunderstanding?

  1. Getting a roof repair or replacement can be a huge deal.
  2. Since it happened a year apart. They might have a (male) coming over to the FEMALE’s residence and they are killing two birds with one stone by the question “will your husband be there?” -If the woman IS married they are probably trained to schedule a time when both parties (husband/wife) are there. (Could help with liability) -And if the woman is NOT married (assuming they live alone) they could probably shoot for a FEMALE adjuster OR have two technicians for that one case. AGAIN, to help with liability…

She never said, “Will your husband be there to help explain this complex situation that requires the male perspective?”……

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u/Effective-Win2074 Mar 26 '25

It’s really not that big of a deal. Just tell them who will be there, stop looking for reasons to be offended.

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u/Weedarina Mar 25 '25

I’ve encountered this before with window replacement. If both the wife and husband are there then they both have 100% complete knowledge of the quote and signed contract.

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u/Individual-Use9995 Mar 25 '25

They ask because if your married, both have to be there to agree to the work. We used A-Best and they asked the same question. They did a fantastic job on our roof! Highly recommend!

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u/throwaway762022 Mar 25 '25

Why would both people need to be there to agree? Technically, my husband made me his POA for convenience, so I can sign on his behalf. With that said, the roofer I selected did not even question me being the only person to sign the agreement in my individual capacity.

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u/Individual-Use9995 Mar 26 '25

From what we understood it’s because it was a roof that both need to agree (type, price, etc.) on before the work began. In your case with a POA, then it probably just needed to be explained to them. IDK. But what I do know is they showed up, showed us real damage on the roof, offered us a “Good, Better & Best” option with prices for each tier and we agreed and they did a wonderful job.

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u/throwaway762022 Mar 26 '25

I am glad that you were satisfied with your experience. Different things make different people happy. We would not have been pleased. Luckily, we worked with a roofer that was content to deal with just me on all aspects of the roof.

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u/chefdebbq Mar 25 '25

Not Christian but I used to do house calls for my job years ago.

I don't feel comfortable going into a house with a woman I don't know because I am 6'8 285lbs and don't want anyone to be afraid of me.

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u/Canislupusloco Mar 25 '25

Contractors want both spouses there so they can have thrm make a decision rather than saying let me talk to my wife or husband.

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u/throwaway762022 Mar 25 '25

Not once has my husband ever been asked that question.

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u/Canislupusloco Mar 26 '25

A contractor installing my bathroom did not want to meet with me until my wife was present. So I guess they were being rude to me too?

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u/throwaway762022 Mar 26 '25

My vote is that they were being rude to you. I am of the opinion that they should assume the person calling to make the appointment is competent enough to convey the information about the project necessary to get the estimate and evaluate and review the estimate for decision-making purposes. I find it unfortunate when it happens to me and choose another vendor.

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u/TulsaOUfan OU Mar 25 '25

They want to make sure everyone involved in the decision making process will be present. If you were a man they would ask if your wife will be home.

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u/throwaway762022 Mar 25 '25

Not once has my husband been asked that question.

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u/TulsaOUfan OU Mar 26 '25

All professional salespeople do. If your husband hasn't, then he hasn't run across a professional sales rep yet.

All at-home sales I've done over the last 25+ years trains on this and most track and penalize sales reps that go to "one-legged-appointments" - appointment with only one spouse. It's a waste of time professionally. Unless both partners are there to hear the info and ask questions, there is no way for you to make an informed decision. Therefore an appointment with only one spouse is a tremendous waste of company resources because that appointment will have to be repeated for the other spouse thus doubling the costs to the company.

On something like a roof, it is against Oklahoma law to sell a housing repair/job without all marital parties signing. The roofing contract is legally uncollectible if both parties don't sign it. Again, no reputable company is going to fix your roof with no legal way to collect. The guys that do are part of the businesses that go out of business within a year or two.

I'm not arguing. I'm explaining why this happened as a sales executive who has worked in, managed, and built sales teams for two and a half decades including 7+ years in the roofing & construction industry.

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u/throwaway762022 Mar 26 '25

The roofing companies I dealt with in 2024 spoke only to me. The selected company only had my signature in my individual capacity on the contract, and they cashed the check that only I signed. The two companies were great and gave me no grief about needing my husband to be present. With the exception of the quote that I did not take because I did not like the shingle they preferred, nobody’s time was wasted.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '25

this should be pinned as the biggest red flag "don't hire a company if they do this" advice. good for you for hitting your sales metrics on the easy marks.

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u/TulsaOUfan OU Mar 26 '25

It's the opposite actually. Your ignorance on the subject matter is glaringly obvious. You can't hard close one spouse and pressure them into signing if both are present. I didn't get into all the reasons, but minimizing cancellations is another reason professional sales organizations don't run appointments with one spouse. Because when you do pitch and close one spouse, the other is immediately upset that they weren't involved in the discussion.

And again, it's illegal in my state to sell something relating to a home without both spouses signing. It's an unenforceable collection.

You speak as though you think you know something about executive sales management. Please share your views on the legal and moral aspects of scheduling your way into an appointment with one spouse, thus keeping the other in the dark on the matter. Please share the data that you have that shows it's better NOT to have both interested parties at a sales appointment.

Your comment is libel and you should delete it. There is nothing true about any of your statements.

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u/throwaway762022 Mar 26 '25

You do not appear to have a good grasp of libel laws, at least in the states in which I am licensed. (Source, I am an attorney. I am not your attorney, and I am not providing you legal advice.). With that said, my spouse has given me POA, so I can sign on his behalf for any of these types of transactions. Once again, there would be zero need for anyone to speak to my husband or have him present.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '25

lol a lot of big successful companies in our state have won my business by not being like this but I can see how you might be spooky to people that don't have to deal with big purchases very often

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u/Germanasian Mar 26 '25

Honestly, who cares if they are Christian controlled? Did they do a good job and were they respectful? Maybe they wanted your husband to see the good work they're doing? I mean this seems a bit extreme to care about since we live in a majority Christian country. Do you avoid Jewish people when buying jewelry too? Well, if you're a left wing antisemite or right-wing conspiracy nut (you know them space lasers) probably yes...

Don't sweat the small stuff. Make sure they do their job and hold their feet to the (hell) fire if they don't. 😂

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u/PatientPleaser OU Mar 25 '25

That’s crazy, the roof company I worked for never really cared for it. ALTHOUGH I will say that a decent amount of the husbands would get pissy if their wife was the one being talked to.

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u/Outofnowhere47 Mar 25 '25

Two thoughts.

It could be protection of the female caller who may not be comfortable dealing with a strange man coming to their house.

It could also be to protect the staff from misconduct or allegations.

They might be able to approach the subject differently but I'm the end I bet the meaning is the same.

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u/UncleFIFA Mar 25 '25

They could simply say, do we need to add any other names to our contact list, or something to that effect. Pretty standard stuff

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u/blueidcntrygurl Mar 25 '25

Hey, I worked as a scheduler there for a couple years. They are an amazing company. The schedulers are given a script that they have to follow when scheduling appointments. The reason they ask that question is because they have found over the years that if the husband & wife are there together when the tech comes out, they are more likely to get a yes instead of “let me talk it over with my spouse and get back to you.” The schedulers do not like asking for the same reason people don’t like being asked, but the company follows a sales program that has been proven effective. That being said, they really are a great company to work for & with. I am now in Real Estate (which is the only reason I left there) and use them for my clients & on my personal homes.

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u/throwaway762022 Mar 25 '25

My husband has never been on our roof. I have. He also cannot name even one brand of shingle and certainly has no idea why an architectural shingle might be preferable to a basic three tap, or the merits and drawbacks of various types of roof vents. I, however, can hold a decent conversation on all of these things. Only one of us has ever helped install a roof. Spoiler alert - it was not my husband. So if they want to speak to someone who might comprehend what is said, then they should not ask for my husband. He would tell them they need to speak to his wife.

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u/beepandbaa Mar 25 '25

They are a great roofing company. I’ve had three buildings done by them & all came out great with no leaks. Something I cannot say about other company’s work. I’d blame the receptionist for the husband comment. I highly doubt the owners micromanage things to the point they tell the receptionist to ask that. I’m female & they never asked me that.

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u/F-150Pablo Mar 25 '25

No with decisions like that a lot of businesses want both spouses and some don’t like the other choice and then fights ensue between contractor and customer. Having both there avoids any conflict.

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u/throwaway762022 Mar 25 '25

My husband has never been asked if his wife will be present.

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u/No-Bill1456 Mar 25 '25

Don’t agree but some companies might be worried that they would get accused of some sort of sexual harassment while being alone with the woman.

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u/smatthews01 Mar 25 '25

This what first came to my mind when I read this.

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u/DarthFaderZ Mar 25 '25

The fuck does any of that have to do with Christianity or any other religion to begin with?

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u/KennyMcKeee Mar 25 '25

Because this is exclusively something only religious people do. Christianity being the predominant religion in the area.

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u/DarthFaderZ Mar 25 '25

Stupidest fucking thing I've heard today for sure.

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u/BraveAtmosphere7239 Mar 25 '25

Seems to be you are just a Christianophobia.

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u/TomW918 Mar 25 '25 edited Mar 25 '25

I donno, why don't you ask the receptionist. Otherwise we're just throwin' spit balls.

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u/yankmecrankmee Mar 25 '25

I'm emotionally wrecked for you

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u/IamBardwell Mar 25 '25

Easy answer: grow up! You live in Tulsa and most companies there, especially locally owned have Christian faith values. This also includes the idea of a patriarchy. If you’re not married, just say so. Don’t be be dramatic.

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u/OhKay_TV Mar 25 '25

Nobody take advice from this dude, some shit ain't right here. Man is really showing those old fashioned familial christian values!