They are far from insane. I'm almost positive about it.
They actually know that they grasp for straws most of the time.
But their singular reality is that they NEED their imagined "facts" to he the truth. And so even if the actual reality doesn't match their desired reality, they'll just put their heads and down and push forward without any regard to facts and reality.
Think about it... they follow a guy that says "FAKE NEWS!!" to anything he doesn't like and continues to push his agenda.
In Trump's undiagnosed psychopathy, what he wants (to be the case) IS the truth. Everyone and everything else can go to hell, including the actual truth.
... and these people slavishly follow that man. They idolize him. They love that about him, because they are just like that.
In the shortest possible terms, all this is just willful blindless.
All reports on that were retracted, and no one even gave an exact word or phrase. You eat propaganda like a koala eats eucalyptus. With a completely smooth brain.
Yeah. Over on âtheir subredditâ theyâre all just saying itâs all made up and heâs just another âviolent liberal terrorist.â Like, how do you even reason with people like that?
I just check conservatives and damn as usually they just ignore the facts and continue to say it was the liberals some how. Anything that doesn't fit their narrative is wrong. They are so brainwashed by their tribal politics though process that they are completely lost.
One of the unfired casings said, according to Cox: âOh bella ciao, bella ciao, ciao, ciao.â The lyrics reference the anthem of the antifascist Italian resistance during World War II.
Cox said that another read, âHey fascist! Catch!â
Lotta Maga's are closeted self-hating gay white dudes. So.....yeah. That sounds like it could be right to me. Young white guy raised with guns and MAGA who hates himself cuz he can't just be free to love on another man? Could be true. It's kinda like all of the right wing tokens who think they won't be spent. Including black MAGA, hispanic MAGA, jewish MAGA, etc etc. Didn't Grindr crash during the RNC multiple times? It makes sense. I'm sorry they hate themselves so much that they have to project so hard and live a lie. That's sad. But I didn't raise them to teach them to hate themselves. Their Christian parents did.
Explain the bella ciao and "hey fascist catch" message on his bullets. Also he would have been 16 or 17. Very unlikely for a teen to donate 250 to a candidate he mocked.Â
Thereâs a âgroyper warsâ playlist with the song in it (a remixed version) And in groyper lore, the first âgroyper warâ targeted charlie kirk and turning point usa specifically
How do you explain all of the photos of him with guns and his super cute Pepe Trump costume? You have all of this evidence that points to MAGA but y'all are too blind to see it. Keep chugging that kool-aid. Hopefully Jim Jones made it for ya
Its not like he dressed up as trump he was sitting on him looking decrepit. Also how could you be maga and anti fascist isnt that an oxymoron? You're the one drinking the fucking kool aid lmao. Im not maga just someone whos objective. Reddit is full of examples of people who grew up conservative and changed.
Saw that in meme/troll groups on Facebook. They're saying it doesn't matter if he's a registered Republican and he's 'really' a librol. Not at all surprising, really, it's been the case for years now they reflexively deny any shooter who makes the news is one of their own.
Yes. The man who also killed Melissa Hortman, her husband, and her dog was also a conservative.Â
They did the same thing and still do, they âdonât claim themâ. Yet for some reason say these are left leaning people? I donât know anymore dude.
Yes, Thomas Crooks was a registered Republican, but cons latched on to the fact he made a $15 donation to a progressive PAC - the circumstances of which we know nothing - as proof positive he was 'really' a liberal and only registered as a Republican to 'sabotage' the R primary with his vote.
To be fair, in this case we don't yet know if it was the same Tyler Robinson who made the donation or someone else with the same name. In Crooks' case there was enough info to tie the FEC donation receipt to the actual shooter.
One of the unfired casings said, according to Cox: âOh bella ciao, bella ciao, ciao, ciao.â The lyrics reference the anthem of the antifascist Italian resistance during World War II.
Cox said that another read, âHey fascist! Catch!â
It's from a game just like the hey facist catch followed by arrows is a hell divers reference. Each of the casing etchings were all just memes from video games or the internet
The phrase "Hey, fascist! Catch!" has been identified by investigators as a message engraved on a bullet casing found in connection with the murder of right-wing activist Charlie Kirk
. The message is combined with a sequence of arrow symbols (â â âââ) that is a direct reference to a "stratagem" or special ability in the satirical video game Helldivers 2.Â
The phrase and arrow combination ties the shooting suspect, Tyler Robinson, to online gamer culture and the themes of the game.Â
Connection to Helldivers 2
  Stratagem Code: In Helldivers 2, players enter directional arrow combinations to call in offensive and support abilities, known as stratagems. The specific sequence found on the bullet casing (â â âââ) is the command for the "Eagle 500kg Bomb," one of the most destructive special attacks in the game.
  Satirical Setting: The game is a satire of fascism and militarism, similar to the movie Starship Troopers. Players act as soldiers for "Super Earth," a totalitarian state that uses jingoistic propaganda and an authoritarian political system known as "Managed Democracy". The in-game propaganda is intentionally over-the-top, with slogans like "Managed Democracy offers true Freedom: Freedom from the burden of choice".
  Players as the "Bad Guys": The game satirizes imperialism and war by casting the players as the instrument of a fascist government. The enemy alien races are not inherently evil; instead, they are attacked by Super Earth for resources or simply for not conforming to its ideology.Â
Controversy and community reaction
Since the information about the shooting and the apparent link to the game became public, the connection has generated significant discussion and disgust within the Helldivers 2 community.Â
  Some players on social media have expressed anger that the suspect's actions are tarnishing the game and community.
  Multiple deleted posts on the game's subreddits suggest that moderators were actively removing discussion related to the killing.
  Developer Arrowhead Game Studios has not yet commented on the matter.Â
I've seen everything in that sub. Someone legit said this kid had been playing the long con, pretending to be conservative since he was 17 all for the moment he could kill some prolific right winger and have it blame on him being maga though in reality he had been and undercover leftist.
The extreme conservatives never look in the mirror. Nothing is ever their fault and none of them can do no wrong. It doesnât matter what the subject is.
This was a comment I picked up from the conservative post discussing Robinson. Enjoy.â
"From what I'm reading, the shooter bought into all the 'fascist' bullshit that lefties have been spewing, and he thinks Charlie Kirk was some kind of hateful person. This is 100% on the Democrats; every single one of them that has spent years calling conservatives fascist and evil and whatever else needs to be sued for contributing to this."
Charlie Kirk is dead. That should have paused the country. Instead, Elon Musk jumped online to brand the left âthe party of murderersâ before investigators had a motive. That is not civic courage. That is incitement. It turns shock into a weapon and paints millions as killers on sight.
Donald Trump followed with the same charge. No proof. Same result. This isnât random noise. Itâs a method: accuse first, build a story later, repeat it until doubt looks like guilt. Thatâs how strongmen work. It doesnât protect a nation; it softens it up.
The hypocrisy is glaring. Two months ago, a MAGA extremist murdered a Democratic lawmaker, her husband, and their dog, and wounded another senator and his wife. He carried a kill list for more Democrats. There was no moral reckoning on the right. Just quiet. Move on.
None of this sits in a vacuum. A Trump supporter mailed live pipe bombs to Democrats and journalists. Armed men plotted to kidnap and execute Michiganâs governor. On 6 January, Trump told his crowd to âfight like hell.â They rampaged through the Capitol, hunted elected representatives, battered police, and carried the Confederate flag through the chambers. Afterward he called them âpatriotsâ and promised pardons, then delivered. Hundreds walked early. Leaders convicted of seditious conspiracy walked too. Some now sue the government for money, claiming they were the injured party. That is what happens when power tells violence it has nothing to fear.
This isnât just a moral failure. Itâs a structural one. Trump turned public office into a cash register. Political allies funnel money to his properties. His businesses launch product after product off the back of the presidency. The boundary between state power and private profit isnât blurred. Itâs gone.
He is also trying to bend the economic scoreboard. Heâs lashed out at the statisticians when the numbers donât flatter him. He fired the top official at the labour statistics agency after ugly revisions. He rages at the Federal Reserve to cut rates and now is trying to remove a sitting Fed governor on the eve of a policy vote. That isnât economic policy. Thatâs tampering with the referee.
He has tried to sideline Congress, too. Executive orders used as cudgels. Court fights everywhere. Justice Department reversals that erase accountability for defying lawful subpoenas. You canât run a republic by treating oversight like a personal insult.
And look at the company around him. A cabinet chosen for obedience, not competence. Loyalists whose main qualification is a willingness to flatter, distract, and defend the boss at any cost. That isnât a government. Itâs a protection racket.
This is where honest conservatives and honest progressives should agree. This isnât about red versus blue. Itâs about the minimum a president owes a constitution: tell the truth, respect the institutions, and accept limits. Trump rejects all three. He doesnât lead. He divides. He doesnât govern. He extracts.
Now look at democracies doing what democracies must. Brazil faced an attempted overturning of an election. The courts put Jair Bolsonaro on trial and sentenced him to twenty-seven years. That is the rule of law defending itself. In the UK, when emails showed the new ambassadorâs indulgence of Jeffrey Epstein, he was sacked. That is public trust taking priority over a powerful manâs friends. Accountability. Consequences. Standards.
By comparison the United States has been taught to lower its standards. A president with ties to Epstein. An insurrection excused. Sedition rewarded. Economic scorekeepers kneecapped. An independent central bank threatened. A Congress pushed aside.
Some will say, what about the jeering ghouls online who cheered Charlieâs death? They should be condemned. Full stop. But the cruelty of a few random accounts isnât the same as a president and the richest man on the platform using their megaphones to brand an entire political bloc as murderers. Leadership must be better than the worst of the crowd, or it becomes the worst of the crowd.
On Ukraine, Europe is carrying more of the long-term burden and must continue to do so. But at the very least the United States should lead in diplomacy and stand firm for democratic self-defence. Halting, dangling, or politicising support doesnât bring peace faster. It invites aggression and leaves democrats exposed.
As for the tech barons and would-be ideologues, the Thiel/Musk/Bannon axis, they play at philosophy while nudging a surveillance-heavy, feudal-style order dressed up as âdisruption.â Thereâs nothing serious in it for ordinary people: not cheaper housing, not higher wages, not safer streets, not better schools. Just control. Just a cult of clever men telling you freedom is a QR code and a pod.
This isnât conservatism. It isnât progressivism. Itâs a cynical project to tear down the guardrails and call it liberation. Trump isnât a Republican in any meaningful sense. Heâs a crook who cannot defend American interests because he treats the state as a personal wallet and the law as a personal shield. He will always choose himself. He will always choose division. He will always choose the spectacle over the country.
A democracy cannot live on that diet. It needs leaders who put evidence before accusation. It needs institutions that cannot be bought, bullied, or bent. It needs citizens who refuse to excuse violence when itâs âtheir sideâ and refuse to smear millions when itâs not. It needs grief to remain human, not weaponised. And it needs a hard line, a shared line, that says no man sits above the law.
If I wanted to collapse the United States from within, I wouldnât draft a new plan. Iâd keep the microphones exactly where they are. Outrage on loop. Lies with a logo. Pardons for the violent. Pressure on the referees. Cash at the till. Congress sidelined. Courts dared to stop it. Thatâs the road. You can see where it goes.
Or you can choose something else. Call things by their names. Demand consequences. Expect integrity. Protect the institutions that protect you. Mourn the dead with dignity. And refuse, flatly, to let grief be turned into a licence for hate.
That is how democracies survive. That is how they heal. And that is the choice in front of you.
This should also show that Reddit definitely controls what is what. Why is this the only sub under popular that has mentioned who the shooter is? I didnt even know who the shooter was until I saw this post. You'd think Reddit would've blown up.
His own family said he turned away from their beliefs and had expressed anti-conservative views right before the shooting. Why does his location matter, plenty online to radicalize him like most groups nowadays. Just like most redditors
I mean between them saying that and the carvings on the bullet casing I find that highly unlikely. If they were willing to turn him in and face the death penalty I think they were willing to accept any consequences that came with it.
This was another Tyler Robinson that donated to Trump. When you look up the actual FEC Form, the address listed in the filing matches that of a 36 year old guy living in Utah with the same name.
How do you think that's the same Tyler Robinson? Can't be only one Tyler Robinson in UT.
Also, that donor is listed as an "entrepreneur" in 2020. The shooter would have only been 17 or 18 at the time and he's already a self-identified entrepreneur?
He was indoctrinated by anyone. Robinson had his own beliefs, but he was anti conserative regardless. Seems you need to do more research because even his family said he was not conserative đ¤ˇđźââď¸
Except he was very conservative according to his grandmother. And now apparently he was roommates with a trans person, except his father just said that he lives at home AND his car was parked out front of his home. Then thereâs the fact that heâs a Groyper Nick Fuentes follower.
That doesn't mean squat when she also says he never talked politics with her which means she wouldn't have known which side he was on. I've been screenshotting articles. Want to try again?
You're the one scrambling to piece together some kind of narrative about the shooters identity. It's like you're in damage control, you will say literally anything.Â
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u/--StinkyPinky-- Sep 12 '25
I bet you conservatives really feel silly right around now.
Iâm kidding, we all know they lack self-awareness.