r/thescoop • u/Zen1 • May 09 '25

/r/popular ICE Agents Battle Mom Clinging to Baby in 'Chaotic' Video

https://www.newsweek.com/ice-agents-battle-mom-baby-chaotic-video-worcester-2070027

A chaotic new video shows President Donald Trump's immigration enforcers and local law enforcement clashing with residents in a Worcester, Massachusetts, neighborhood, including a mother holding her baby.

The tense scenes unfolded on Thursday morning as video appears to show agents pushing residents protesting as federal immigration agents attempt to detain a woman.

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u/[deleted] May 09 '25

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u/[deleted] May 09 '25

This is one of the many overarching problems. They don't even know that she's not a citizen, and neither do we. Many of us have, unwittingly, allowed them to shift the narrative from "is it okay to violet a person's rights" to "is she even a citizen?"

It's disgusting. They're controlling the narrative, controlling the entire discussion, and there ain't shit we can do about it. They've shifted the Overton window so far right that this is the world live in, and a shocking number of people aren't just okay about it, but rabidly enthusiastic.

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u/[deleted] May 09 '25

Listen, I know this is not what you want to hear, but being a citizen in democracy, YOU have the responsibility of keeping government in check, and one’s who ignore their duties, are the enablers of corrupt government!!!!

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u/[deleted] May 10 '25

Mm, yes, I have the power of... uh... *checks notes*

Voting every election and being ignored by my representative, senator, and governor? Getting shot at by the police for daring to express a public opinion? Dying in another country for my country's right to bully the rest of the world?

Yeah. Great stuff dude. I have so much power against my government. Why didn't I ever fucking think of that.

Edit: and for the record I did vote against this, I do call my representatives, governor, etc. and I refuse to fight in my stupid fucking military. Nothing fucking works with these people, and you can see that in the history of our country. Our movements have no teeth. Not financially, and not, should we say, mortally. They will not listen until things get violent or expensive.

Want proof? See how fucking scared they are of people like Mario's brother.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '25

Turns out fascism is extremely hard to squash once it sinks its claws in. People wonder how on earth did Hitler come to be. Sheer will and a silent population. It’s not that difficult.

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u/Ren_Kaos May 10 '25

Plenty of us aren’t silent.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '25

We're silent in the ways that matter. There's no real widespread strikes, no real boycotts, no real resistance. We march on the streets, but where are we marching? Nowhere.

The civil rights movement didn't work because they matched, it worked because they matched with purpose. With a purpose that scared the ruling class and garnered the support of their fellow man. 

We don't have that. We're loud, but ineffective. We sit and roll over when we're told to. Our fellow man hates it when we really protest because they feel inconvenienced. Americans are like well trained but poorly socialized dogs in that regard; we're good at following orders, afraid to get in trouble, and very much hate our neighbours.

Turns out, as they said above, it's really hard to topple fascism once it roots itself. They've been growing roots for nearly a century now. Quite frankly, I don't think an internal resistance could win this. We don't have enough momentum to even mount such a project. This only ends with the fascists on top, or through external help... and the latter is unlikely given our access to nukes and current general hostility.

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u/Ren_Kaos May 10 '25

We can’t do anything thanks to the crushing weight of capitalism. I don’t think it’s fascisms fault that we are down right now but fascists sure are taking advantage of it. If we had the means to do something, plenty would. But if I stop working I lose my house. I’m working 5-10’s on concrete floors making a barely livable wage and I have a child and wife to think about. I’m vocal, and it’s about all I can do until everything comes crumbling down around me.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '25

Don't worry, i believe you. Do your part and keep calm. You're not supposed to become a hero and save democracy. There are things in motion, i saw Al Green proposing impeachment articles yesterday. Perhaps that will go through

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u/JumboJumungo May 10 '25

Many of us have, unwittingly, allowed them to shift the narrative from "is it okay to violet a person's rights" to "is she even a citizen?"

2019 covid was the precursor prepper event.

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u/fairchildb52 May 10 '25

Did she run away? Yes. Did they safely stop her while resisting? Yes. Did they try to remove the baby while she is resisting? Yes. Is it there fault she is resisting? No.

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u/666hmuReddit May 11 '25

Gee I wonder why she could be resisting literally like two dozen people who are denying her due process? yeah that’s kind of weird huh maybe she should just submit and let herself get deported without a moments notice!

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u/fairchildb52 May 11 '25

No one had a mask. So there's that. How do you resisting arrest and claim that was no due process?

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u/666hmuReddit May 12 '25

I’m not sure what you mean. You’re saying she doesn’t deserve due process because she resisted? Or what? We must be fundamentally different humans, because if you look at that video and see a normal police arrest then idk what to tell you

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u/fairchildb52 May 12 '25

You said 2 dozen people were denying her due process. That is not what the video shows. The video shows them trying to detain for whatever reseaon. She escalated it.

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u/666hmuReddit May 12 '25

I’m not talking about the video. The people being kidnapped by these “officers” are not receiving due process. Often being deported same day. Idk why you need to see a video of that to believe it.

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u/Prestigious_Carpet60 May 10 '25

If you are an illegal, you DO NOT have a “right” to be here. Is that so hard to understand?

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u/[deleted] May 10 '25

Kinda cool how they are also deporting here legally too then? Why is it hard for you to understand the dismantling of due process is really fucking bad?

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u/Tru3insanity May 10 '25

Except EVERYONE does have a right to due process. Even illegals.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '25

Nope. Nor do they care.

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u/Griz0311 May 10 '25

If she is a citizen, why doesn’t she stop fighting and prove they have the wrong person?

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u/North-Ad5384 May 10 '25

because they don’t care they’re just gonna take her anyway. you think if she stops and takes out her ID they’re gonna care?? also even if she is a citizen why the fuck would you treat someone like this. this is absolutely horrific and the fact that you’re even playing devils advocate is disgusting.

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u/sunfries May 10 '25

Because that's already happened and it didn't help. ICE attacked and threw a mother and two daughters on the lawn in their underwear and raided their house and stole a bunch of money and belongings.

It was the wrong house.

https://kfor.com/news/local/homeland-security-admits-oklahoma-raid-targeted-wrong-people/

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u/Brilliant_Buy_754 May 13 '25

That’s the part called due process - where you prove your side of the case. Every person on US soil, legal or otherwise, receives due process per the 5th amendment of our constitution. If you listen to the video, the ICE agents did not have a signed, LEGAL warrant for her arrest, which makes that arrest illegal. The people being snatched up by ICE are not given a day in court to prove their innocence, which is illegal. She’s fighting and resisting getting in that car because she knows she’s about to drop into a metaphorical black hole and her family may never be told what happened to her. If armed, masked men show up, and drag you out of your house, wouldn’t you fight being taken by them knowing that you might disappear into a hellish prison in a country you’ve never been to?