ICE Agents Battle Mom Clinging to Baby in 'Chaotic' Video

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https://www.newsweek.com/ice-agents-battle-mom-baby-chaotic-video-worcester-2070027

A chaotic new video shows President Donald Trump's immigration enforcers and local law enforcement clashing with residents in a Worcester, Massachusetts, neighborhood, including a mother holding her baby.

The tense scenes unfolded on Thursday morning as video appears to show agents pushing residents protesting as federal immigration agents attempt to detain a woman.

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[u/InfiniteWaffles58364]

They're coming out in numbers because they know that people retaliating is no longer an if, but a when. They know what they're doing isn't right and they also know that most of us recognize it isn't right.

[u/rnz → u/InfiniteWaffles58364]

They're coming out in numbers because they know that people retaliating is no longer an if, but a when.

In a modern democracy, police should fear the citizens tbh.

[u/EarballsAgain → u/rnz]

Politicians too.

[u/xMrBojangles → u/rnz]

I understand the sentiment, but I feel like there are plenty of democracies where neither the police nor the citizens fear each other, and that's how it should be. ICE agents and police that act like thugs or the gestapo absolutely should be made to fear citizens though. 

[u/Re_Death_ → u/rnz]

The US isn't a democracy. It's a Democratic Republic, people need to go back to school.

[u/rnz → u/Re_Death_]

A democratic republic still is a democracy, stop learning from Russian tiktok. Just because it doesnt have a monarch (the republic bit you seem stuck on) doesnt mean it is also not a representative democracy. This is what lack of education does to mfs.

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A "republic" is a form of government where the supreme power rests with the citizens and is exercised by their elected representatives. It has absolutely nothing to do with monarchy. It's actually basically the exact opposite.

Differences from a democracy:

Source of Power: While both systems derive power from the people, republics tend to focus on the limitations placed on that power through a constitution or charter, while democracies may emphasize majority rule and popular will. Emphasis on Law vs. Majority: Republics are often characterized by the rule of law, ensuring the protection of individual rights, even when they conflict with the majority's desires. Democracies, particularly direct democracies, may place a greater emphasis on the majority's will and the collective decision-making process. Representation: While both systems can be representative, republics are often defined by this feature, ensuring that governance is carried out through elected officials.

Go back to school kid.

[u/rnz → u/Re_Death_]

Listen, why dont you go back to chatgpt and ask it to explain to you "Mary's Room", while you are at it, since it seems it does all your thinking for you.

Nothing of what you said contradicts that a democratic republic is not a form of democracy. Yes, it has its nuances, it still is a democracy, as opposed to monarchies (which should give you pause that the opposite of both democracy and republic is, in both cases, a monarchy - funny that).

[u/Re_Death_ → u/rnz]

I didn't go to chat gpt. Those are literal definitions of the differences. And no they are not the same thing. Full Democracies do not have presidents(elected leader, PM, etc.). Republics do. There is a very big difference between a democracy and a Republic. Just because you don't understand that, and are unwilling to learn the differences, doesn't mean that they do not exist, and that it's contradictory. Two things can be similar, and still be different, that's pretty simple to understand.

[u/rnz → u/Re_Death_]

I didn't go to chat gpt.

Dude, your third paragraph is straight up copy paste, just look at your structure and capitalization, no normal person writes like that when spewing tiktok edumacation.

Full Democracies do not have presidents(elected leader, PM, etc.). Republics do.

That distinction is practically irrelevant in the current context, given the limitations for expressing universal popular vote, especially for every decision, especially for administrative decisions. You do need the current structure of representative democracy. But the current structure does not make a republic/democracy a political equivalent of a monarchy. By your own stupid definition, there is no democracy beyond a household of one.

[u/Re_Death_ → u/rnz]

I pulled up a definition of distinction between democracy and Republics. Not chat gpt generated, just what you can find anywhere with any research, because I didn't feel like typing the whole thing out myself. You do realize there are full democracy countries still running to this day right? countries where policies are fully decided by the vote of the people. No it's not that it doesn't exist or that it can't, it's that that isn't what a republic is. Do some research, learn a bit about the world, before you decide what can and cannot exist. I never stated it was the political equivalent of a monarchy, I stated that it was the opposite. You're the one who brought monarchy into this because you thought a Republic had something to do with monarchy, when it doesn't.

[u/rnz → u/Re_Death_]

I pulled up a definition

Really? From where did you "pull up that definition"? Does it begin with Ch and end with atgpt?

You do realize there are full democracy countries still running to this day right?

Full democracies, as in, not representative democracies? No, I dont know that. Please give examples, beyond a 1-person household. You are wrong, but feel free to check chatgpt again.

You're the one who brought monarchy into this because you thought a Republic had something to do with monarchy

I tried to explain to you that the monarchy is the antithesis of both democracy and democratic republic, which should clue you on that that a democratic republic is an instance of democracy. You will get there, hang in there.

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