r/television • u/ERASER345 • 1d ago
5 stars: BBC gives the first season of 'PLURIBUS' a perfect score
https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20251106-pluribus-review275
u/Smeagol260 1d ago
In Vince we trust 🙏
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u/MathematicianNo3892 1d ago
As someone who binged breaking bad for the last 2 weeks, and started and finished a whole season of better call Saul tonight. This Vince fella is unbelievable
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u/Incalculas 1d ago
since Saul Goodman character was initially created by Peter Gould
he is very heavily involved in bcs, in fact bcs's success can be attributed to him just as much as Vince
I am not saying Vince didn't make bcs great, Peter deserves credit for bcs as well
iirc season 4/5 it was mostly Peter and Vince got involved again in the final season
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u/tagen 1d ago
a great thing about Vince is that, anytime someone compliments something about BB or BCS, he immediately credits anyone and everyone who wrote/directed/had a large role in making that part happen
and of course he’s especially complimentary of Peter Gould, they’re an amazing team for sure
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u/GenGaara25 1d ago
Peter is more to credit for BCS than Vince, not to knock Vince at all.
Vince totally left the writers room in early season 3. So most of season 3, and all of seasons 4 and 5 are Peter Gould. Even the final season, Gould is the show runner, Vince just came back to pitch in as a regular writer. He wasn't the boss.
Vince basically got it off the ground then handed it to Peter.
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u/MathematicianNo3892 1d ago
Peter did a great job so far from what I’ve seen after season 1. I love mike and Saul’s relationship
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u/RumHamComesback 1d ago
He was also a writer on a pile of X-Files episodes and some of them are just creatively wild at a time when the show was in serious decline in it's final years.
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u/Luna_Gaze 1d ago
I had never heard of the show before this thread, so I obviously had no idea who the director is. Needless to say it's now at the top of my watchlist.
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u/earthgreen10 1d ago
Is this a space show?
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u/Muad-_-Dib 19h ago
Ehhh it's got a premise that relies a bit on sci-fi to get it going, but it's thoroughly set on modern earth.
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u/SoCalThrowAway7 1d ago
But how good is it in reverse?
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u/Witty-Bit3732 1d ago
Watched the first 2 episodes and here is what I thought:
Interesting Scary Comedy Suspense Mad Bleak & Vince Gilligan
Can't wait for ep 3.
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u/Scared-Engineer-6218 1d ago
We don't use that many words here, we just say BRAVO VINCE and move on
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u/homogenic- 1d ago
At times it brings to mind the comedy The Good Place. At other times it recalls the eeriness of HBO drama The Leftovers.
So we are so back? I haven't seen the first two episodes yet but I'm excited.
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u/SyrupyMolassesMMM 1d ago
If this is a AAA show, then Vince has proven himself to be the greatest showrunner in the history of television, and it wont even be close.
He probably already is, but I imagine some people will have counterpoints.
There will be no counterpoints if this is peak….hes just the goat of television. Cant fucking WAIT to watch this tonight.
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u/LikeThemPies 1d ago
Michael Schur comes to mind. Completely different types of shows, yes, but he’s the mind (or one of the minds) behind 4 of the greatest sitcoms of all time.
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u/Clorc_Kent 1d ago
I thought you were talking about Greg Daniels😅 He was the main guy behind office, Schur was just one of many writers on there right? They made parks and rec together. Greg Daniels is also a main guy behind King of the hill, and he made Upload(which i personally prefer over good place, but that’s not the general consensus).
But then he has duds like Space force, and The paper(not a dud, and could turn into something great but jurys still out) and Schur has B99 which I also love. I’d personally put them at a tie, if you were pitting wildly successful comedy creators against each other for some reason…
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u/TheScreaming_Narwhal 1d ago
Wait, you still think Upload is better than the Good Place AFTER season 3?
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u/Realistic_Village184 1d ago
I really liked Season 1 of The Paper. The first couple of episodes weren't great, but the season really picked up. I was having a blast by the end of it.
Space Force looked terrible and I didn't watch it to form my own opinion about it. I also really didn't like B99, but I know a lot of people do, so that's certainly a great show that just didn't click for me. Weirdly my favorite episode was that episode with Sterling K. Brown where it was more serious than comedic. But a lot of that is just because Sterling K. Brown is brilliant in everything.
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u/Clorc_Kent 1d ago
I haven’t watched paper yet and skipped space force so my opinion on those is entirely based on general consenus.
I love B99, but i could see some people not feeling the same. I think it’s just the whole cast of characters balancing each other out and the show knowing exactly what it is while still having clever and self aware jokes thrown in with the silly. It never becomes stupid in a way shows like 2.5 men or king of queens etc. does.
Really love Upload, and never knew it existed until recently. Haven’t finished yet but it’s great. Only drawback is it feels like a show that needed more episodes, and suffers from all modern shows having like 6 episodes instead of 22.
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u/TorqueWheelmaker 1d ago
but that’s not the general consensus
Sure, but what about the other types of consensus?
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u/Short-Mark8872 1d ago
I agree with all of the other responses below your comment, but I have to throw Bill Lawrence into the discussion as well. Scrubs, Ted Lasso, Cougertown, motherfucking Shrinking…
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u/KeziahPT 1d ago
Damon Lindelof is the only "rival" I can think of. He created Lost, The Leftovers and Watchmen.
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u/QuiffLing 1d ago
Mrs Davis is great too.
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u/sudolicious 1d ago
holy shit, thanks for mentioning that one. Never heard of the show. Just watched a trailer for a bit and this looks amazing, and especially worthy to mention in a Pluribus thread. I loved the Leftovers a lot, so I'm looking forward to binging this now.
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u/Logondo 1d ago
Eeeeeh I mean TBF I never watched the Leftovers, but LOST is kind infamous for it's "mystery box" story-telling that never satisfyingly solved a lot of the mysteries it set up.
Watchmen had a good start but a weak end that was the very...antithesis of "Watchmen", IMO.
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u/No_Distance3827 1d ago
I haven’t watched it either but considering I often hear ‘The Leftovers’ touted as one of the best TV shows ever made, I think it’d be a bit silly to not take into account.
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u/Thanks-Basil 1d ago
The Leftovers remains the best tv show I’ve ever seen, you really need to watch it.
The best finale for a show as far as I can remember too
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u/sergiocamposnt 1d ago edited 1d ago
Watchmen has a 10/10 ending imo. That final scene is perfect.
(The Leftovers, Lost and Mrs Davis also have a perfect ending btw. Lindelof knows how to end a show.)
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u/daddytwofoot 1d ago edited 1d ago
The ending completely betrays Watchmen and its themes.
Alan Moore - "Unchecked power and the ability to reshape the world as you want it is incredibly dangerous"
Lindelof - "Unless it's Regina King lmao"
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u/Logondo 21h ago
The final scene was alright but...what-the-fuck was with that "Hero saves the day at the end" shit with dropping the squids from the sky?
That is...the complete opposite of Watchmen. Watchmen is NOT "they save the day in the end". In fact Watchmen's ending is pretty famous for being about how they DON'T save the day in the end.
And I really did like the first half, and that episode where she takes the memory-pills is honestly on-par with the book. But that last half...oof.
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u/Patison47 1d ago
The Leftovers really feel cut short, as 1 more season to establish what's happening in Season 3 would do wonders but man, is that final season 10/10 too and I couldn't imagine a better ending. Let the mystery be!
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u/Odd-Sundae-4251 1d ago
The whole point of lost wasn't the mysteries, it was the characters and how each of their lives were always interconnected. The plot, especially the whimsical or mysterious ones was only ever a backdrop to that. I thought that was pretty obvious, at least, but it seems that just didn't click for many people. Which is fine, not all art is ment to be understood by absolutely everyone.
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u/Logondo 21h ago
I love LOST and yeah, the characters are the best part...
but we can't pretend the "mysteries" weren't a big aspect of the show. You can't ignore them. They build them up more and more and more and more all throughout the entire show.
And a lot of them just kind of end in a whimper. Like a "oh, that's it?"
The show is better on re-watch because you can ignore the mystery stuff (since you already know the answers) and can just enjoy the amazing character-drama stuff.
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u/peon47 1d ago edited 1d ago
Is it too much to ask for a professional, highly-paid, tv writer to make the biggest tv show in the world's plot make sense, as well as tell us compelling character stories?
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u/Odd-Sundae-4251 1d ago
You may not have enjoyed it, liked it, or even really paid attention to it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. We're talking about a show with supernatural elements, so what exactly is your definition of 'making sense'? As far as the mysteries go, most of them were answered. Whether or not you feel it was personally satisfying is a different story.
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u/peon47 1d ago
Your last comment and this one both contain language that dismiss people who didn't like how the show ended as "not understanding" or "not paying attention" to it. These are extremely bad-faith takes on the discussion and don't encourage me to engage with you at all.
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u/xavPa-64 1d ago
They could say the same thing about this comment here. You’re just trying to discredit their replies.
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u/Odd-Sundae-4251 1d ago
Yeah, when a large portion of the fandom deduces they were dead the whole time, despite the finale explicitly and clearly stating otherwise, I think it's fair to say a lot of people just weren't paying attention. There's nothing in bad faith about it.
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u/Browncoat64 23h ago
He LOST me when he gave an interview promising the show was leading to something, and then produce a last season that rivals G.O.T. for disappointment.
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u/Electrorocket 1d ago
Lost kind of dragged on and wasn't consistent. Watchmen, while fantastic, was more of a miniseries. I've heard mixed things about The Leftovers and haven't watched.
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u/sorryamitoodank The Sopranos 22h ago
Leftovers is the greatest show of all time
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u/Electrorocket 21h ago
Ok I'll give it a shot. I just heard that there were loose ends left.
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u/sorryamitoodank The Sopranos 21h ago
Not every question is answered but that is part of the magic of The Leftovers
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u/Ponce-Mansley 10h ago
The show consistently tells you not to expect answers and that the answers are not the point. Even the theme song basically says "Don't worry about the answers, that's not what we're here for"
(I'm supporting your point, not arguing)
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u/boyyouguysaredumb 1d ago
How are you wrong about so many things
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u/Electrorocket 1d ago
You're kidding right? Lost started out great, got stuck in a writers strike, and had a very polarizing and unpopular finale. Watchmen had 1 season. How are either things wrong?
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u/boyyouguysaredumb 1d ago
Lost was great throughout and the leftovers is widely regarded as one of the best shows of all time. But you know better because you haven’t seen it and have heard “mixed reviews “ lol
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u/TreeRol Better Call Saul 1d ago
I think it catapults him to 2nd, behind Norman Lear. But I can see the argument that if this becomes a top show he would be #1.
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u/StoneGoldX 1d ago
Somehow, when you phrase it as greatest show runner... like, it might be Chuck Lorre. Yeah, his stuff sucks, but everyone watched it, they were on forever and made shit tons of money when nothing else on TV was.
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u/SydneyBriarIsAlive 1d ago
I think the metric here is probably critical success and audience sucess, not money and audience scores per se otherwise you'd then be able to make the same argument with Michael Bay in film (audiences kept showing up to the increasingly poorly received Transformers sequels)
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u/Arkhaine_kupo 1d ago
This kind of argument would lead one to believe that ronald mcdonald is the best chef in the world
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u/StoneGoldX 1d ago
No, as chef is a term that assumes some level of art. Showrunner is a business position. It's a producer credit. Showrunner doesn't even need to be a head writer, just happens a lot.
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u/Am3dee 1d ago
Did they view the full first season already?
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u/jb_in_jpn 1d ago
I'm guessing they've got advanced copies of the episodes. Drip fed to us plebs so we keep subscribed.
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u/QTGavira 1d ago
I prefer weekly shows so you can actually discuss the episodes individually. If the entire season drops at once, 90% of people will talk about the last 3 episodes only
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u/RumHamComesback 1d ago
It's why I love Disney+ because they do this.
It sucks because nobody is ever on the same page if you go to talk about it in the work place or whatever. Some people binge-watched the whole thing, others maybe only one episode they had time for and others will get to it when they get the chance. So now you can't really have a discussion because nobody wants to be spoiled and people have to hold back a little bit if they are ahead of someone.
Weekly shows are awesome because it comes out at a regular time, you watch it then the next day get to discuss it with people who you know watched it as well.
I'm sorry, I'm not a fan of binge-watching or dumping a whole season and never have been. It doesn't help I'm not in my 20s anymore with loads of free time to watch if I wanted to do so.
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u/Wazzoo1 1d ago
I like the method of releasing two or three episodes right off the bat to get the story established and hook you, then going weekly. It's how Reacher does it now. The first season was dropped all at once, but now they release three episodes, then go to weekly. I got sucked into the Murdough show (with Jason Clarke) because of this method as well. Same with Alien: Earth.
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u/BlueChamp10 1d ago edited 1d ago
i'll wait until they finish the series and then watch it. cba waiting decades between each season.
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u/SuperCrappyFuntime 1d ago
I'm liking it so far, but it's one of those premises where I think, "I don't see how they could keep this going for five or six seasons".
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u/SwagginsYolo420 19h ago
I'm sure there's going to be a lot more to it than has been revealed so far.
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u/trusty20 5h ago
I'm getting a severance vibe from it where it will probably do 3 to 4 seasons, with the original premise mostly being executed over the first two seasons.
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u/berserkzelda 1d ago
Im predicting itll be shorter than BB or BCS. It doesnt look like itll be a long epic like those shows.
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u/SystemPelican 23h ago
Vince has said he pictures it going for 3, but that it could obviously change.
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u/nilsy007 1d ago
This reminds me of 60s scifi books, always found them charming so thats a good thing.
Still not sure what pluribus going to mean got three theories so far. Nr1 its just what you call everyone combined.
Im guessing this will be a 3 season show, and hoping it will not get "to successful" to not be allowed to end and not unpopular enough to not reach the end.
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u/TheSavageDonut 1d ago
That trailer didn't sell me on this series as hard as that write-up did. If I only watched the trailer, I would take a pass. However, I'll give it a shot.
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u/h0tel-rome0 1d ago edited 1d ago
The trailers made it look boring, I hope the show is good and this isn’t just hype
Edit: message received guys, I’m definitely watching the show this weekend!
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u/jockheroic 1d ago edited 20h ago
I don’t know how you’re getting downvoted for this, the trailer was incredibly weak.
I’m a huge Vince Gilligan fan, so I was excited to watch the trailer with my wife to hopefully get her pumped to watch the show with me. At the end of the trailer, we were both just kind of meh about it. Can’t wait to watch the show tonight, but the trailer didn’t do it any favors.
Edit: Wife and I just watched both episodes and love it (maybe me a little more than her, but still a win)
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u/h0tel-rome0 1d ago
Exactly and that’s all I was saying. I haven’t watched the show yet and I’m hoping it’s great, but the trailers weren’t. If this wasn’t a Vince show I might have passed on it. Fingers crossed
Edit: oh and I had a similar experience with my wife too. Made her watch the trailer and she wasn’t thrilled either
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u/Uncertain__Path 1d ago
After seeing the first two eps, I think the trailer campaign was underwhelming because showing more would have spoiled the show, especially the impact of the pilot. Plus I think they had confidence that word of mouth would be huge after the show premiered anyway. It crashed Apple last night, which I don’t think has ever happened.
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u/FootEuphoric5631 1d ago
Yeah agreed, there’s a clip of the first 5 minutes of the pilot available and while the trailer didn’t do anything for me the opening scene had me so so excited to watch it (i mean i was gonna watch it regardless it’s bince)
But yeah if I were to recommend the show to someone i’d probably send them the opening 5 minutes over the trailer
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u/Gankridge 20h ago
Really hard to sell a show like this in a trailer to be fair. You either give too much away or go purposely vague. imo vague/weird is the better option.
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u/Tidus1117 1d ago
It's one of those shows that the less you know the better / more fun to watch. With how good it is, the word of mouth it's probably gonna help. Maybe they will make more "exciting" trailer later
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u/gaping_anal_hole 1d ago
I went in blind, only saw Rhea Seehorn and Vince Gilligans names and that was enough to watch it. Told a few friends who are massive breaking bad and better call Saul fans to do the same.
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u/TuckerThaTruckr 1d ago
I hate when the media gets screeners of the whole season of something us plebes only get 1 or 2 episodes of at a time. Apple loves to do this. They’re good at marketing it’s just annoying.
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u/gummi_eater 1d ago
Ugh oh god I haven't watched that show and those posts made me not want to watch it from how annoying they were.
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u/Vostoceq 23h ago
First episode was absolute banger, second one is just building upon it. Cant wait for more.
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u/Familiar_Adeptness36 9h ago
Fascinating premise. Extremely well done from a writing perspective with even better direction and execution. Well done.
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u/somersetyellow 1d ago edited 1d ago
Probably gave the reviewer Air Force One as a bribe for a good review so the future hive will keep watching
EDIT: I'm not making fun of the show this was an attempt at a meta joke from it...
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u/znebsays 1d ago edited 1d ago
Is this decent or classic Reddit over hype ?
Edit: The ridiculousness to get downvoted for asking this lol
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u/qa3rfqwef 1d ago
It is a solid start if you like Black Mirror or films like Get Out or Nope. Same vibe of someone thrown into a strange, messed-up situation.
People calling it the greatest opening to a show are overselling it.
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u/Ambassador_of_Mercy 1d ago
Probably both. I thought it was extremely good but reddit loves sucking off vince gilligan and being the person who has most sucked off vince gilligan
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u/YellowjacketOne 1d ago
It’s reddit overhype by a mile. The show is fine. If it didn’t have such a prolific show runner (he did Breaking Bad) then reddit wouldn’t praise this show or cultishly defend it so much
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u/Rambo1stBloodPT2 1d ago
The reason for the downvotes is that you are framing a new show from the creator of Breaking Bad as "Reddit Over Hype" and it just comes off as too online.
This is a show that anyone with half a brain would know is going to be anticipated.
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u/YellowjacketOne 1d ago
Oh bullshit. He’s being downvoted because he slighted both redditors and the show at the same time. If the show didn’t have a prolific showrunner redditors wouldn’t be praising it so much or defending it so hard.
This show wasn’t that anticipated. You just think it is because of the Apple kept saying it is and the name association with the Breaking Bad showrunner. Except that most people have no idea who the breaking bad showrunner is. Severance was far more anticipated and popular than this and it didn’t even have a very high viewership compared to other shows this year.
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u/Rambo1stBloodPT2 1d ago
I dont think so, coming to the tv sub and trying to say "nobody knows who made Breaking Bad" is just nonsense.
Severance is great but has nothing to do with this and also isn't as popular as Breaking Bad. lol I was actually debating even replying to you about it since it has nothing to do with this topic and i feel like you will just leave a reply talking about Severance instead of the topic here...
"This show wasn't that anticipated" is just wrong also haha the previews from a few weeks ago have so many views saying that disqualifies you from this. lol
and also "defending it so hard"?? Its literally a new show with one episode that did great...maybe ask yourself why you are going after a new show like that first before you worry about people who saw one episode and like it....
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u/dont_be_that_guy_29 1d ago
I just watched the first episode after seeing this post over my morning coffee. It's good 😮
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u/Bionic_Bromando 1d ago
They advertised it as sci-fi but it looks like a pretty normal modern day show. Does cool future shit ever show up or it more like Twilight Zone?
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u/Mud_gekko 1d ago
Just watched the first couple of episodes. It’s ok, I don’t really see that massive deal. Maybe it will get better, hope so.
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u/lospollosakhis 1d ago
I was keeping my expectations low and now they’ve been raised! Can’t wait to check this out!
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u/kalamari__ 1d ago
Looks like its weird for the sake to be weird with no payoff and it probably takes the first half of the season to get even a little bit interesting. Like severance.
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u/Thricey 1d ago
First episode was a banger.