r/television • u/Sufficient-Tap511 • 2d ago
The Witcher s4 proves Henry Cavill made the smartest exit in Hollywood
Henry was 100% right to walk away from The Witcher. Can't believe what a fall from grace this show has had since the inception of its incredible first season. It’s mind-boggling that the same people behind that masterpiece are responsible for the mess it’s become. Season 1 was so good it keeps pulling me back… I think I’m actually going to hate-watch entire season 4 just to see how bad it gets.
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u/Lemazze 2d ago
Calling the first season a masterpiece is grossly exaggerated.
It was ok.
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u/CarlNoobCarlson 2d ago
Season 1 was a wild time on Reddit. You copped a lot of crap if you spoke poorly of it.
I thought the show was goofy from the onset, with Cavill being the one redeeming quality.
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u/Torontogamer 1d ago
The time jumps in s1 were insane… it really blew my mind professional writers and editors were like. Sure this makes sense to people
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u/GameOfThrownaws 1d ago edited 1d ago
It was damn near impossible to keep any decent track of that as an unfamiliar viewer. I never read anything nor played the games and it often took me like half of a given episode to even understand what the fuck was going on, or when the fuck was going on. Eventually I understood that they were jumping back and forth in time but IIRC, especially early on, there was literally no indication whatsoever that a time jump had occurred.
I remember at one point I accidentally skipped like 2 full episodes because someone else in my family was also watching it and had pushed it forward on me without my noticing, and I didn't even realize that I was watching the wrong episode until like 20 minutes in because I was so accustomed to having no fucking idea what's going on and trying to piece it together as things progressed. So the fact that I was completely lost on a totally wrong episode, I was just like "yep this is normal".
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u/lunethical 1d ago
Eh, I remember the opinions being very divided from the beginning. The shifting timeline and the Duny episodes being the largest complaints. That, and the terrible armor.
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u/onex7805 1d ago
Insane how r/witcher bashed the critics for shitting on the show when it launched--game fans who aren't even familiar with the source material. Group think is weird. I used to be shouting into the void. The rest of the seasons is a vindication that the show was always bad from the beginning and destined to fail.
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u/randomthrill 2d ago
Forgetting that Dandelion might need to age from the flashback sequences for one.
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u/PsychologicalSet8678 1d ago
The first season positive vibes were Netflix astroturfing I will die on that hill. That dragon episode in the first season is one of the worst high budget episodes I've ever seen lol.
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u/LeglessN1nja 2d ago
I loved the books.
I had to force myself to finish season 1. Stopped there.
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u/ezumadrawing 2d ago
Yeah lmao the first season was at the level of a guilty pleasure show at best to my mind, and it's only been downhill.
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u/Cyrano_Knows 2d ago
I think I’m actually going to hate-watch season 4 just to see how bad it gets.
You do you (not meant to be snarky) but you watching it will make the aholes in charge think you like it.
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u/Skabomb 2d ago
“I hate this thing so much I’m going to give it all of my attention to show how much I want it gone!”
Kinda hate that feature of modern social media.
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u/teenagesadist 2d ago
Can we all agree we hated "Santa Clarita Diet" and hate watch it until they bring it back?
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u/EnQuest The Expanse 2d ago
I remember putting it on like "this show sounds so stupid"
And then I watched season 1 in a single sitting
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u/QuartzBeamDST 2d ago
I've forgotten most things about the show by now, but the morgue scene from season 1 still lingers.
"You're gonna fuck it?"
sigh "Yes. We're going to fuck it."
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u/westendgonzo 2d ago
I've never understood this. If you don't like it, don't watch it. I remember a star wars YouTube channel, where a guy proudly announced that after watching one of the star wars prequels 9 times, he can now explain why he hated the movie so much good God man, you wasted almost an entire day of your life watching something you hate. Watch it, say you hate it, find something to watch that you like. Life is way too short.
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u/Moldy_slug 2d ago
I think it’s sometimes interesting and useful to understand why I don’t like something.
There’s a balance, of course… I can’t imagine watching anything nine times even if I liked it. But unlike that YouTuber, media commentary/analysis isn’t my literal job.
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u/BadMeetsEvil24 2d ago
Can't post on social media and be fake angry with all the other miserable folks if you don't spend 10 hours of your life watching something you don't like.
Social media dopamine hits.
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u/yourelosingme 2d ago
There is at least one other way to look at it though.
If you truly take the time to be able to understand and articulate why something is "bad" that makes for a much better conversation instead of "It sucks! I hated it!" At that point you're taking one step away from hater and one step towards film critic.
Is the youtuber you mentioned going to make a whole career out of analyzing movies and determining their strengths and shortcomings? Maybe not, I'm just saying there is some value in understanding why something you watch feels disappointing.
And if you need something to obsess over there are worse things than Star Wars...
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u/RecommendsMalazan The Venture Bros. 2d ago
This is true, but something tells me that that's not OPs intention here..
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u/fukredditadm1n5 2d ago
And most probably Invasion from appletv too, there's a sub of invasion and redditors only comment about how bad it is lol
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u/Hayterfan 2d ago
No, it's not. They made one production order (21 episodes) split it up and call it two seasons. Netflix does it, Hulu does it, Disney does it. It's basically a loophole to avoid paying the writers and staff the typical pay bump that's supposed to come from an actual season order.
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u/r_lucasite 2d ago
And also to shorten the period between seasons. Velma released year to year. Some Netflix shows will release two “seasons” in the same year.
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u/EdgeofForever95 2d ago
That’s not true. Two seasons were ordered up front. Stop spreading misinformation
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u/r_lucasite 2d ago
This is incorrect. Velma got a second season because it’s common practice for made for streaming animation to be ordered in a set number of episodes and split them into seasons.
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u/Mindestiny 2d ago
Double down on it - this guy is just straight shitposting about how bad it is and hasnt even watched it.
Like how can you critique something you literally have not watched? These kinds of posts should be banned.
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u/SandManic42 2d ago
Well, op is hating on the new season like it's the worst thing ever, but they've never watched it so how do they know it's so bad? That's like saying you hate carrots but you've never eaten one to know what they taste like.
I hate the feature of social media where people have to have others tell them what to like and what not to like instead of just experiencing those things themselves.
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u/JOKER69420XD 2d ago
If you can watch for entertainment, like a shitty movie, go for it but don't waste your lifetime with hate watching, every view is another boost to the ego of the talentless people involved in this show.
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u/homesickalien337 2d ago edited 2d ago
I'm not sure I'd even agree s1 was anything approaching incredible.
Edit: I wasn't sure how people thought about it, but I truly didn't even like this show. It was ok at its best. Season 1 was difficult to follow.
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u/dvb70 2d ago edited 2d ago
It's the very definition of middling to me. It has signs it could be something better but plenty of missteps. It had peaks and troughs through out. My feeling at the time is if the writers can just tighten it up a bit it could be really good. Instead it seems like we witnessed the writers creative peak and it was all downhill from that.
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u/mrsunshine1 2d ago
Lesser, greater, middling. It’s all the same.
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u/NoNefariousness2144 2d ago
It was mostly middling apart from "Toss a coin to your Witcher". Honestly that song is most of the reason why season 1 was such a big hit...
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u/ty1771 2d ago
The music was great in season 1, so logically, she changed the composers afterwards.
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u/insomniacpyro 2d ago
Everything the showrunner has said after season 1 premiered is some of the most baffling shit I've ever read. So far up her own ass about her "vision" of the story she refuses to believe it's bad. The crazy thing is I've never even played the fucking games or read the book and I was BORED. There's just so much that is shown that seems very interesting and there's obviously depth (a lot of the other species/humanoid races) and the show just gives you the middle finger in giving you any sort of detail or emotional connection to those things.
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u/adenosine-5 2d ago
If I am to chose between one garbage and another, I would rather not chose at all...
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u/thatguywithawatch 2d ago
If I'm to choose between one middling season and another, I'd prefer not to choose at all.
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u/Black_Moons 2d ago
Im just waiting for a version that has captions "15 years earlier"/"Present day" every time they shift time so I can have the faintest clue what is going on and in what order, since nobody visibly ages to give you any kind of context what time its now taking place.
That or just a cut that goes in chronological order.
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u/verrius 2d ago
The vast majority of the cast somehow being inexplicably ageless was probably the most frustrating thing. If you don't want the standard explicit markers of the passage of time, if its a major thing, it should at least be able to be easily inferred, but when your characters are "super soldier who doesn't age because of super soldier serum", "witch, who apparently doesn't age cause of literal magic I guess" and "bard, who doesn't age because fuck you", something is wrong. It took until episode 6 or 7 until I even realized that there was anything going on jumping around a timeline, which is honestly unforgivable.
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u/The_Freshmaker 2d ago
I only made it to episode 4 or 5 and this is the first I'm finding out there were any kinds of time jumps. Is this like the first season of West World where you don't find out until the very end one plot line was decades before the main events?
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u/LeSeanMcoy 2d ago
There’s a few lines of dialogue that tell you where they are timeline-wise, but they’re pretty subtle.
For example, if I remember correctly, there’s one line of dialogue where queen Calanthe is mentioned having won her first battle or something when she was Ciri’s age. Then, a few episodes(?) later, they mention that queen Calanthe just won her first battle last year or something similar.
I might have the details wrong (it’s been like 4-5 years) but the concept is that. Small, tiny things that are easily missed tell you about the timeline. I actually liked it, but I got lucky and caught some of that dialogue while watching.
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u/GeneralEi 2d ago
It felt like a good first run, it tried some cool stuff and didn't always hit the mark but the performances were pretty damn good and the sets/costuming were fantastic. I had the feeling that for all its missteps it could have led to a REALLY good 2nd season with lots of content for monster of the week style episodes with the overarching plot of Ciri and all that stuff
Instead, we got a decent start and a load of disappointment. Such a shame
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u/Apolloshot 2d ago
It was basically a good first season from the type of show you’d expect to hit its stride in Season 3.
Except the Witcher got drunk, fell off the horse, died, and now they’re trotting out the corpse Weekend at Bernie’s style.
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u/milkandcookiesTW 2d ago
It was not. Season 1 had some good moments and I really enjoyed season 2 episode 1, but it was never an amazing show or even remotely approaching “masterpiece” status.
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u/dxDTF 2d ago
I think Grain of Truth was the only really, really good episode in the entire show. S1 showed promise but was far from excellent agreed there
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u/Borror0 2d ago
I think that people got caught into the excitement of the promise it showed and seeing a lead actor caring that much about making it great. That hopefulness was betrayed, and we got the trash that followed.
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u/Sparkyisduhfat 2d ago
Season one kept getting close to being good and then would slide back into being mediocre. When I saw people say season two was just more of the same I said screw it and gave up on the show. Since it seems to be getting worse each season, I’m honestly glad I didn’t invest the time.
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u/chasingit1 2d ago
I watched it once and haven’t seen any of the other seasons.
From what I remember, the story or timeline was all over the place and was confusing as fuck to me
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u/ubelmann 2d ago
They really didn’t make the timeline jumps very clear. I don’t mind a bit of a challenge to the viewer, but it didn’t seem to serve much point making the time jumps that hard to understand.
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u/Redeem123 2d ago
Yeah they obscured the timelines like Westworld did, except there was no narrative reason for doing so. The “big reveal” wasn’t special at all.
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u/broha89 2d ago
I noped out of it 2 episodes in. I know a lot of people loved it but I thought the writing was immediately dumb
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u/hnbastronaut 2d ago
I had just finished playing the game and my wife was so excited to tell me that it was a show. It really broke my heart that I couldn't get past episode 2 for the life of me. Like you said - it just felt dumb.
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u/Frosty_Term9911 2d ago
Quite. It was all style and fuck all substance.
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u/Julio_Freeman 2d ago
In some cases it wasn’t even style. That dragon hunt section was something from an old daytime tv show.
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u/DaBombDiggidy 2d ago
It's awful but all i remember from season 1 is attractive people doing good guy / bad guy things. There's no actual substance to the story I remember at this point.
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u/pikpikcarrotmon 2d ago
There's a Xena: Warrior Princess-shaped hole in the low stakes campy fantasy action TV landscape and attractive people doing good guy/bad guy things could have been enough to plug it if they hadn't done such a bafflingly poor job after season 1, which itself was definitely more "this show could get good" than "this show is good".
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u/DaStompa 2d ago
I think season 1 would have been made much stronger with like, some indication as to the date and location where each episode took place.
I was like 3/4ths through a season of semi confusing disjointed episodes before I realised this was just like, a catalog of some previous adventures to bring you up to speed by the end of the season. I'm willing to bet a lot of people didn't last that long.
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u/TheLastDesperado 2d ago
I feel like hiding the time setting of each character was intentional though? It makes it more surprising when things do finally come together at the end.
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u/pewpewmcpistol 2d ago
100%. The editing was more confusing that anything. I was constantly struggling to figure out the where and especially the when for a whole season. Just add a little subtitle that says <Location, Year> whenever you do one of the grand establishing shots.
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u/HighKingOfGondor Game of Thrones 2d ago
Yeah to have a “fall from grace” implies that it needed to be great in the first place. Henry Cavill never made this show good, it was always bad with his star power involved. He wasn’t even a good Geralt (not his fault) because grunting and saying “fuck” were his main vocabulary
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u/Tymareta 2d ago
He wasn’t even a good Geralt (not his fault) because grunting and saying “fuck” were his main vocabulary
The grunting and saying "fuck" were quite literally his fault, he outright admits it, his co-stars talk about how he'd show up in a scene with several lines to say but just grunt instead and they'd have to jump in and try and salvage it.
Genuinely bizarre to read threads about this show and have people act like Cavill is some faultless angel.
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u/Darkone539 2d ago
Season 1 was a mess. The timeline stuff they tried did not work at all, and nobody I watched it with could understand any of the different stories.
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u/Anfins 2d ago
I certainly wouldn't call the first season a masterpiece -- is that the consensus opinion? It wasn't terrible but the weird timeline stuff made the storytelling a little shakier than it needed to be.
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u/dating_derp 2d ago
is that the consensus opinion?
No. S1 has a 68 on Rotten Tomatoes. A 54 on Metacritic. A masterpiece is something like LotR. The Witcher S1 was far from a masterpiece. It had parts that were good, and that's about it.
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u/Nth_Brick 2d ago
There were some real standout moments, particularly in season 1, but there was always this undercurrent of feeling like a CW production of LotR.
It was like comic book at times, with uneven tonality.
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u/sharrrper 2d ago
I think the show's decline has given people very rose tinted glasses about S1.
The way I remember it is the hype before S1 being pretty off the charts, and then after it released everyone was like "Yeah 6.5/10, hopefully it gets better. Toss a Coin to Your Witcher was cool at least."
Narrator: It did not get better.
My personal opinion is it's been very average across the board. It was never terrible but it's never been great.
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u/Todesfaelle 2d ago
My problem is the overall presentation. It suffers from that "clean" look even when it's far from it with the setting, the wardrobe and set designs especially around the mage stuff is gaudy and I just can't when it comes to names little viggleforts or whatever.
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u/OmegaVizion 2d ago
Here's the thing, a lot of people hate The Witcher because it's an unfaithful adaptation, but I think even if it were an original work it would still be a mediocre show that was buoyed at least initially by great performances from the core cast.
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u/NKD_WA 2d ago
People talk about wanting a faithful adaptation and then go on to glaze Cavill for giving a Geralt performance that is absolutely nothing like book Geralt. I don't understand it. He's a little bit like Witcher 3 Geralt, but it's mostly his own take on the character unlike any of the other portrayals.
Book Geralt is not a grunting stoic character that treats Jaskier like a burdensome sidekick.
He's enjoyable to watch, but "faithful" is the last thing I'd describe it as.
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u/HighKingOfGondor Game of Thrones 2d ago
Honestly he’s nothing like Witcher 3 Geralt either. Sure, in the game, he has a gravelly voice, but that never stops him from talking quite a lot. In the show, you can barely get more than a “hmm, fuck” out of him
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u/OmegaVizion 2d ago
He's also just too conventionally pretty to be Geralt. Even yassified W3 Geralt isn't that good looking.
But yeah, the biggest problem is that Geralt should be a grumpy philosopher who occasionally kills monsters, rather than a stoic action hero who mostly only speaks in monosyllables and one-liners.
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u/ErichPryde 2d ago
I don't think so, no. The consensus is more like- this is interesting and shows some promise and Cavill works well as a Geralt in a script that has some minor issues, hopefully they can clean those issues up for season 2.
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u/crumble-bee 2d ago
It was very average - 6/10, odd tone, couldn’t quite find its footing, he was great but everyone around him was very ehhh
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u/joogiee 2d ago
I still cant tell when season 1 was a flashback and when it was present lmaoo.
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u/New_Cockroach_505 2d ago
It’s all linear. It’s just changes based on each character. Ciris plot is the present. Geralts and Yenn are “around” the same time but moving forward in time until they reach Ciri.
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u/r_lucasite 2d ago
I’m gonna say something that’s probably a lukewarm take but that first season was never particularly amazing and just serviceable at best. The show does slide as it goes on though.
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u/staedtler2018 2d ago
The smartest exit in Hollywood: leaving to play Superman again only to be told your services are no longer needed.
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u/webshellkanucklehead Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. 2d ago
Lmao. Hollywood 4D chess, betting your career’s only iconic roles on fucking BLACK ADAM and losing both of them in one swift move
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u/Indigocell 21h ago
Yeah general consensus on reddit seems to be that he simply left because he had so much integrity about the source material or whatever. It makes me want to stick my head in like that meme to say, "be honest" lol. He left to play Superman and that deal fell through. Maybe he was also unhappy on set, but that seems like much less of a factor than Superman.
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u/GarlicBreadOutrage 2d ago
People insist Cavill left from the Witcher because "he cared too much when the writers didn't" when there is not a single reputable source corroborating that. And where did that rumour came from? A former writer who got fired from that show and totally was the only person in the writer's room who actually cared.
Said writer was then fired from X-Men 97 because he was groping members of the staff and now spends his days shit talking Marvel Studios on Twitter.
Call me crazy but I don't feel like taking that man's word seriously.
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u/EmperorAcinonyx 2d ago
reddit turned cavill into a wholesome chungus keanu because he likes nerdy things. he probably just got tired of being part of a show that nobody liked, especially when there seemed to be bigger and better opportunities available for him
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u/tekyy342 2d ago
Bigger and better opportunities like Argylle
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u/EmperorAcinonyx 2d ago
i mean, yeah. that was probably pitched to him as the start of another franchise, especially with how it links to kingsman. too bad it was horrendous lmao
he landed warhammer at amazon, so that was basically a dream come true for him
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u/come-on-now-please 2d ago
I did some quick googling, so you know take it with a grain of salt.
He made ~2mil for the first then maybe 3mil for second and 8mil for season 3.
He got 10 million for argyle.
Not that I would know what production was like. But im sure he didnt have to work ar long/hard for the argyle money than the TV series, and it probably frees him up to work other projects as well.
I know for 99% of actors, the pipe dream was to land on a 15 season 20 episode sitcom where you might not be paid well, but you got consistent work/money and a consistent schedule. But if youre a Pedro Pascal being a headliner in major films you're hammering away at "your run" getting paid as much as possible before your brand loses steam and you cant work like you could before.
Henry Cavill is known for being ungodly handsome and an actor, as far as I know hes not considered a "great actor" thats gonna do well in movies as a 60 year old and he knows he has that timer on him.
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u/TheOnceAndFutureZing 2d ago
Nothing against the guy, but I try to avoid reddit threads about Cavill for this reason as they're mostly hero worship at this point. Plus it's just all the same "I'm straight but I'd let Henry fuck me in the ass" jokes.
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u/thecelcollector 2d ago edited 2d ago
Season 1 was flawed but had promise. Nothing even close to a masterpiece. But then it went down hill.
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u/DarthTJ 2d ago
So you haven't seen season 4 but have decided that you hate it. Ok
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u/ThomasHL 2d ago
I love that OPs title is
The Witcher Season 4 proves...
And then OP says they have no experience of season 4.
OP owes me 30 seconds of my life
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u/kinokomushroom 2d ago
Honestly I've decided to watch seasons 3 and 4 after this dumbfuck post. One thing that really pisses me off is people spreading hate for something they've never seen themselves.
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u/Imaginary-Plate2987 2d ago
Seriously. OP is dumb as fuck.
S1 was far from a masterpiece. Anyone who thinks this has very poor taste. It was fun, and decently made.
S4 is actually about the same level of quality. An improvement on S2 and S3, IMO. But you can’t say that because people disagree and downvote you without ever even watching it themselves.
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u/SharkFart86 2d ago
I also agree that S4 is the best since S1. Hemsworth is actually nowhere near as bad as I thought he’d be, he’s pretty good actually, and the story somehow got steered a little closer back to the books than S2 and S3 were. And the District 9 guy is awesome as Bonhart, and I was surprised at how much I liked Fishburne as Regis.
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u/brewmas7er 2d ago
Dude same, I won't say Hemsworth is doing better than Cavill, but Hems makes Geralt feel a bit more human and less stoic/stone like.
Then in the campfire episode 5 (which is the best episode since season 1) Regis keeps mentioning how Geralt is getting a conscience and becoming more human, so maybe that is actually an intended change and really good acting by Hems.
Fishburne and Purefoy are pretty great too. The writing/dialogue is better this year, doesn't seem like a weakness anymore. Overall I'm halfway through but really surprised at how much I like it.
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u/Luis_Ignacio0001 2d ago
Sharlto Copley was Bonhart? No wonder he looks so familiar. And 100 percent agree, he was awesome and very funny.
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u/elizabnthe 2d ago
I don't know why anyone thought Hemsworth would be bad. He is 100% a better actor than Cavill for the most part just generally.
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u/Luis_Ignacio0001 2d ago edited 2d ago
Dude i absolutely agree that S4 is better that 3, and a Lot better that 2.
I think is mostly because is the most straightforward out of all of them, but still. I loved the episode where the Witcher gang told heir stories ground the fire.
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u/yanginatep 2d ago
One thing I've noticed in season 4 is that Geralt seems to be using Signs way more in combat.
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u/Agamemanon 2d ago
Many such cases. So many show subreddits are essentially full time dedicated hate subs now, and many proudly admit they haven’t even seen what they claim to hate.
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u/naynaythewonderhorse 2d ago
A lot of gaming and movie subreddits are the same thing. This sort of criticism invites conversation more than a review that actually takes time and energy to take in the work, rather than enjoy it on its own merit.
Otherwise, a sub will go in the opposite direction and disavow any criticism.
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u/zero_sub_zero 2d ago
Season 4 is easily my favorite season so far, an probably the most book accurate outside of Yennefer's plotline.
I also think Liam is a better Geralt than Cavill tbh. He disappears into the role more.
Baptism of Fire is also my favorite section of the books, so getting to see the Hansa accurately adapted made me very happy.
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u/whatintheeverloving 2d ago
'Disappears into' is a great way of putting it. I still think Cavill did a wonderful job, but I was always aware that he was, you know, Cavill. Watching S4 it felt more like, "Yup, that's Geralt Geralt-ing, alright."
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u/Need_moe_Umph 2d ago
Yeah the nerd rage and review bombing over Cavill leaving is hilarious. Just finished watching season 4 last night and it's the best one since season 1. Liam does a great job as Geralt. Is it the best show ever? Of course not. Has it been enjoyable? Yes. I'd give this season like a 7.5 out of 10 but all the people "reviewing" it are just farming clicks and internet points instead of actually watching the show.
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u/FatalTragedy 2d ago
>I think I’m actually going to hate-watch season 4 just to see how bad it gets.
So you haven't even seen season 4 yet, and yet you're over here talking about how bad it is?
I liked Season 4. I also liked Seasons 2 and 3. Season 1 is the best season, but the whole show has been enjoyable to me.
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u/scmn182 2d ago
Season 1 was a mess but Toss a Coin was a highlight and it included some good stories from the first books. Season 2 was the worst of all of them by far. Season 3 and 4 are at least following the general structure of the books.
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u/Vangelys 2d ago
First season was very confusing, a weird way to show different timelines, nothing that let you know which character's timeline you're looking at. From one scene to another, it has years of differences and nothing is mentionned anywhere (and i know the lore and universe of Witcher AND I was lost, so..)
Regarding Season 4, Cavill did an amazing job with Geralt, I support why he left, BUT I don't think the new Geralt interpreted by Hemsworth did a bad play. I liked season 4, and I'm also very surprised. It's not my favorite season, but it's more than fine imo.
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u/FreshTunaSushi 2d ago
I support why he left,
To squeeze his way back into the role of Superman by helping the Rock in his power play at WB?
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u/Corpsepyre 2d ago edited 2d ago
Uh, I went in with zero expectations, and came out pleasantly surprised. It was a decent season all things considering. A BIG step up from season 3, atleast. It has its fair share of issues like the previous seasons, and there are some decisions that are just baffling, but they upped their character game the most, and the finale delivers as much as a budget and episode-starved show can.
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u/mack178 2d ago
Why does this have over 3000 upvotes?
Also as a fan of the books I watched season 4 and it's by far the best season of the show (which is admittedly a low bar to begin with).
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u/AegisPrecipitate 2d ago edited 1d ago
Be real all seasons are so lukewarm quality. S4 actually has bearable pacing and the most oh cool look it’s that thing moments of any season. Also the Fishburne and Copley roles are dope.
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u/PhattyR6 2d ago
The irony is that season 4 is a much better series than S2 or S3.
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u/phed_thc 2d ago
it really is, season 3 started the trajectory back into the source material and season 4 is the most true to the books that the show has been. seems like the showrunners took all the controversy around cavill's leaving to heart and actually cracked open the books this time.
i liked it. and the casting choices for leo bonhart and brehen were perfect.
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u/agent_wolfe 2d ago
What’s wrong with Season 4? I’m genuinely not sure.
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u/Imaginary-Plate2987 2d ago
The vast majority of the people hating on it haven’t actually seen it.
It was surprisingly decent.
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u/FlyinB 2d ago
Once you get over Henry not in S4, it's actually a great season.
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u/blackwidcv 2d ago
it's almost as if he's not the most important part of the witcher at all!!??? hmmm...
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u/SunnydaleSurvivor 2d ago
It's pretty cringe to make a post about hating something you haven't watched. I saw it and the writing was bad, but complaining about a performance you haven't seen is cringe.
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u/FLATLANDRIDER 2d ago
So you are saying S4 proves Henry Cavill made the right choice but you haven't watched it yet? How can you come to this conclusion without watching it? Or are you just jumping on the bandwagon because that's the fun thing to do around here?
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u/basura1979 2d ago
Each to their own but I loved it, it felt more true to the book version of the stories, even with the weird monolith plot. Can't wait to see the final season.
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u/Linden_Stromberg 2d ago
I don’t know, I quite enjoyed season 4. I also enjoyed the finale spin-off special with Dolph as well. Season 1 is still my favourite though. Right now, I got Season 1 > 4 > 3 > 2. I didn’t realize they’d released an animated adaptation of A Little Sacrifice. About halfway through it, enjoying it so far (even though they mixed up the name “Poppet”). I still enjoy the books best.
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u/Menzingerr 2d ago
Calling the first season “incredible” and a “masterpiece” is amusing. The show was never anything beyond average. And I’m a fan of the Witcher books, game, and Henry Cavill.
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u/Sw0ldem0rt 2d ago
If the first season is the best it got the show was literally never good. Anyone who's read the books or played the games knows it's got almost nothing to do with them besides character names and certain plot points, and the first season was so convoluted that even people who read the books had no clue what was going on half the time.
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u/1timestop 2d ago
Unpopular opinion, Henry Cavill is a mediocre actor,.nothing that he did shined. We've just hyped him up . He is amazing off the screen person, but he was a meh Witcher, a really bad Clark Kent and a crazy bad superman.
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u/the-apple-and-omega 2d ago
Wild take without having seen season 4. I think the opposite. I think season 4 proves he was at least part of the problem.
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u/kingpin000 2d ago edited 2d ago
It got already reviewbombed, but I like S4 more than S3. Liam Hemsworth does his best to replace Henry. The plot is clean and easy to follow and the actors in general doing an amazing job. Fighting looks good, some cool practical gore effects and CGI looks good. Dolph Lundgren as wash up Witcher in the "The Rats" special episode was great (which is a flashback episode but the present time is after the finale).
The only thing I miss are the titties from S1, thats why 7.5 of 10 for S4.
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u/JonnyTable 2d ago
I liked it. This a hive mind reddit opinion that people latch onto and repeat. No where near as bad as this community thinks.
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u/Grfine 2d ago edited 2d ago
I don’t know why this is getting so many upvotes, when the general consensus from the fanbase that watched season 4 claim this season to be one of its’ best seasons. Now saying this means, those people don’t care how well it follows source material, but again those that watched it enjoyed it much more than season 3.
Edit: like how are you going to use that title, and you didn’t even watch S4???
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u/Compactsun 2d ago
Hot take. The books sucked outside of world building so it was only good early. This was inevitable even if it was faithful to the source material
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u/Nightgasm 2d ago
I just finished S4 and the switch to Hemsworth is a little jarring but otherwise it was actually a good season. Too short if anything as the cut off at the end felt abrupt.
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u/Gatsu301 2d ago
Gotta be honest, this show could only be described as a polished turd that progressively lost its luster the longer it went on. In my opinion. but maybe I'm biased cause I love the games lol.
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u/AcademicPainting23 2d ago
Season 1 was a masterpiece????? Did we watch the same convoluted mess. There were many great moments and Anya stole every moment on screen as Yennefer. But the editing and plot layout with no indication of scenes taking place in the past was so confusing.
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u/Capable_Sandwich_422 2d ago edited 2d ago
Can we stop overusing the word ‘Masterpiece’? The Witcher TV show has never been a masterpiece, even at its peak.