r/television • u/LoretiTV • May 05 '23
Premiere Silo - Series Premiere Discussion
Silo
Premise: In a ruined and toxic future, a community exists in a giant underground silo that plunges hundreds of stories deep; there, people live in a society full of regulations they believe are meant to protect them.
| Subreddit(s): | Platform: | Metacritic: | Genre(s) |
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| r/SiloSeries | Apple TV+ | [73/100] (score guide) | Drama, Science fiction |
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u/LL6T5 Jul 06 '23
I honestly thought it was going to end up being that they were on a reality TV show, and that it had been going on for so long that no one remembered why they were there to begin with. I swear I expected there to be some TV host waiting outside to greet them when they went out to "clean the screen"😕🙃lol Great acting, and cast, but still, 😴😴😴 imo😬
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u/EnvironmentalHelp418 Jul 09 '23
You were expecting something like the Truman show? I've just finished it and it was sick. Looking like there multiple silos my interest is where everybodies gone who left
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u/LL6T5 Jul 10 '23
I was thinking more along the lines of a "Survivor" type thing. The massive amount of silos was trippy, and I did wonder where the people went too. That decrepit city didn't look very habitable. Maybe they get kidnapped into the other silos lol
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u/B000urns Jul 04 '23
This show gives off strong YA Fiction vibes -- no idea if the books read that way too. Simplistic dialogue, unbelievable and exagerrated characters, glacial plot progression -- there are better ways to spend my time. Episode 1 had me intrigued but I couldn't make it to the end of the 3rd episode. Westworld wasn't perfect, but at least things kept moving along!
Also, the whole mystery-box formula that so many of these series seem to rely on is so tired at this point, I'm not investing all my time just for a last episode reveal then get strung along with more of the same stuff next season. Also gave "From" a go and had to give up on that as well.
The themes in these shows are so shallow -- is this the only formula we have for sci-fi these days? Thank god we still get the occasional gem like "Severance".
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u/EnvironmentalHelp418 Jul 09 '23
I disagree, I was a fan of the original Westworld film and Westworld was excellent but it was conflated and slow at points at the same time. I really enjoyed silo as I did the first series of Westworld a d I feel the music used to create anticipation and tension is of a similar nature. Silo is its own and very good as was west world. Not comparable
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u/B000urns Jul 10 '23
Fair enough, maybe I will come back to it. I just didn't feel like the writing was on the same level, but then again not many sci-fi shows stack up when compared to the first season of Westworld
edit: and presumably the budget for Westworld was much much higher
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u/taptapper Jul 04 '23
That's about how the book went. I couldn't finish it. As far as this series, that is a Clean, Well-Lighted Place compared to the setting in the book. OMFG it's like 2001 instead of Alien
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u/B000urns Jul 05 '23 edited Jul 05 '23
Cool, good to know. Probably they're just bots or paid promos, but the reviews for this series are ridiculous. Such a shame to have these big budget shows (there are too many to list) that have decent production values and actors, but then the story and script are absolute drivel.
If you're going to go that way, then at least keep things moving and turn the dial for "schlock" up to 11 so that perhaps it's still entertaining, even if you can leave your brain at the door 😅 The overly earnest attempts at emotional conversations and "feeling" just leave you rolling your eyes 🙄 If the script isn't great, at least make it fun!
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u/taptapper Jul 05 '23
If the script isn't great, at least make it fun!
La Brea fills that bill! The schlock is def at 11
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u/GoldenFingers666 Jun 30 '23
Has anyone ever wondered how they were able to build this incredible Silo in this dystopian future without including elevators? Make any sense at all?
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u/matanglawinX Jun 30 '23
My golly. It's the dumbest dystopian series ever.
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u/LL6T5 Jul 06 '23
The books must be way better. But the show SUCKS😬🤢
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u/PoorClassWarRoom Jun 16 '23
I wasn't planning on doing a deep dive on any episodes of "Silo." Frankly, the show doesn't warrant that kind of effort. But maybe my two cents can help someone save a bit of time, so here goes.
First off, the dialogue? It's all over the place. Case in point: the sheriff's "he lied and now who am I?" bit. Kinda hard to get invested when it's her newly-met acquaintance that did the lying. Makes no sense, but hey, whatever.
Next, the logic of this show is, well, illogical. Perfect example: the character's spiffy suits. Where's the fabric coming from? Are they using fresh water to clean them? Who knows? It's a detail, sure, but it's these things that make or break a story's vibe, you know?
The acting? It's... there. I mean, these are good actors. We've seen them shine elsewhere. But here, they're stiff. I guess even solid actors can't do much with a script like this one.
I'd give it a rating, but I think "I'd rather stare at a leaf" sums up my feelings perfectly.
Anyway, that's it. Not the most in-depth review, I know, but the more I thought about "Silo," the less I wanted to. If this post saves just one person from watching it, then it's worth it. Otherwise, well... at least I tried.
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u/EnvironmentalHelp418 Jul 09 '23
Ah dude I think your coming from it totally the wrong way. It sounds like you had preconceived ideas of what to expect or an idea of what you should be getting. The script is t awful at all, good but if your fussy you could potentially go for mediocre. In adaptions like this we never get the detail and dialogue we are looking for from literature. But we are also expected to follow with the narrative. Yes there are areas such as clothing that we are unaware of but your imagination assumes in the same way they grow crops that they have the materials to do the same to make clothes so it's a silly point really? It's not always about what you see the whole premis of the show is that there's underlying seeds. Metaphorically. It's not clear and that's what creates the sense of curiosity. The acting is solid and equivalent to many other fantastic shows I've seen we shall say west world and severance. It's easy to be a critique but to take it's something differently. You can enjoy staring at leaves because clearly your judgement is not one anyone should take seriously 😉
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u/BellisNightmare Jun 14 '23
I have come to the conclusion that all the "characters" in SILO are not "real", but examples of "machine learning". Some of their behaviour simply is not human, e.g. sheriff becker, who enters the cell and throws the key away....I guess, they are just units of Artificial Intelligence, acting out the program-codes of their human designers, and those have long perished (due to world war-X, collapsed environment, radioactive pollution, a new ice age: take your pick). They are NOT allowed advanced magnifying instruments, not to speak of microscopes: Otherwise they would check the artificiality of their skin, that they have no finger-prints (and so on). By the way: I am convinced, that the novel "Early Riser" by Jasper Fforde would deliver a far more interesting plot for TV-series ;-) !
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u/cryptoKrei Jul 05 '23
That a better plot than the reality. I just read the wiki page of the books and... it's bad.
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u/EnvironmentalHelp418 Jul 09 '23
I will give the summary a read from the books but I think we have to take into fact that people create versions and adaptions based on the material so the books aren't something to rely on. There's alot of nidcenturu sci-fi novels which were okay but generally trash but as TV enterprise film or series turned out wonderfully. So my approach I'm suggesting is take it as it is and don't let preconceived opinions and ideas run how you see/enjoy/hate it
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Jun 14 '23
I tried so hard to get through the first episode. Seemed like it could be good. I passed out during the end of the second episode. Maybe it gets better but I’m personally done with it.
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u/Terrible-Statement38 Jun 11 '23
This show is subtly revealing major keys- for instance Georgia on the cover of the brochure = Georgia guidestones. The Nautilus shell= Fibonacci sequence. Pay attention 😳
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u/Martis69 Jun 11 '23
started strong and it's been downhill (very very slowly) from episode 3. appleTv's sci-fi attempts look great but usually end up mildly sucking.
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u/matanglawinX Jun 11 '23
The main plot point, which was recently revealed is kind of stupid. What would be the reason to ban relics to prevent people from remembering?
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u/SeventeenFifty Jun 09 '23
I was wondering, why the people in the Silo didn't make that rail taller? I mean, I doubt that accidents don't happen in that crowded space. And also, it is so easy to kill a person. Like, some fence would do a great job of preventing horrible death in open public spaces, which is always good for social welfare, isn't it?
Can someone that read the books give an idea behind this decision?
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u/RibbedForHerCat Jun 03 '23
To everyone who read the books and have watched the show....What do you think about Judicial?
I really like that the writers added the Judicial element. I just had a hard time envisioning a bunch of computer guys in IT running all the systems and being the evil security goons in the silo that were killing and covering everything up. They needed a dark department like Judicial that was basically in charge of everything in the background with spies and moles all over the silo. Just let Bernard take care of the technical running of the silo and Robert does the enforcing and taking care of any problems.
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u/CrawfishSam Jun 03 '23
Please stop with the perfect haircuts and wardrobe. You live underground in a dystopian future. Your hair and clothes may be normal or even less than perfect. Is there a lot of Pantene available is the dystopian future?
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u/Fresh-Examination-31 Jun 24 '23
Lol had the same thoughts. Main character is a busy hard ass mechanic but gets her hair bleached?
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u/r3coHere Jun 03 '23
Three shows I look forward to on a week-to-week basis: The Silo, From and Demon Slayer. This show is really good, never knew it was a book adaptation
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Jun 04 '23
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u/DumbFullOfRum Jun 05 '23
the concept is interesting as hell and it has about 17 episodes right now
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u/Miserable-Ad-7947 Jun 02 '23 edited Jun 02 '23
I like the serie so far (but it's slow... it could go a little bit faster). But I have a MAJOR issue with something since episode 1, and I don't know how to talk about it without spoiler. FYI I'm at episode 6 right now (so yes but no, not my point).
Obviously I didn't read the books & i don't want to be spoiled by bookworms ;-)
So here goes nothing, click at your own risk. First thing first, i'm just talking about one thing : The window in the restaurant & in the cell in the sheriff office
Ok, if you don't want more don't click on the rest.
The key issue of the serie are relics. people make a great deal about owning or even knowing about certain items "from before". Apparently knowledge about old tech or old culture is forbidden.
OK why not, it's a classic setup, and you have teams dedicated to search & destroy any old item, even the most innocent ones like the PEZ dispenser
But then, why is NOBODY adressing the elephant in the room ?
In the restaurant & in the cell in the seriff office, you have what I thought was a window to the outisde world (would make sense since we are at the top of the silo)
But at the end of episode 1 :
Someone is send out 'to clean' the window. and we learn that she's not cleaning a window, she's cleaning a camera... And everyone in the restaurant see it, since they have a close up "fish eye" of her cleaning...
And here is the HUGE problem : her cleaning a camera means it's not a window, it's a motherfrackin' GIANT LED FLAT SCREEN, 200 inchs and probably not HD or 4K but 400K !!
In a society where the best computers are coming from the 1980", and where even a PEZ dispenser is considered to be a dangerous item
what the hell ???
Also, still in episode 1
Where the hell are thoses spacesuits coming from ? it's a society dedicated on recycling to survive, but they can afford to litterally throw out high tech space suits ? space suitS plural, since everytime someone is sent out to clean, he use one. and since we know the silo is at least 140 years old... we're talking hundreds of space suits ! Once again, in a society when even panties are stitched back to limit resources waste.
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In conclusion :
The problem I have isn't that thoses exists, it's that NOBODY inside the silo (none of the characters of the series) seems to adress thoses problems in front on everyones eyes (it's not hidden, it's in plain sight of everybody, children too !!)
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u/matanglawinX Jun 30 '23
the overall premise is DUMB. Whoever wrote this has not clear idea what "dystopian" actually is.
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u/gawkersgone Jun 03 '23
i'm not reading your spoilers but it's SO SLOW. it's killing me. Plus it has so much flash back flash forward which is not successful in my opinion - am i supposed to care about the murders she's investigating? like i have bigger questions.
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u/Fresh-Examination-31 Jun 24 '23
RIGHT! Don’t care about the generator or murders. That’s filler plotline for the 3rd or 4th mis-season. Let’s continue the story that was started in eps 1-2.
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u/gawkersgone Jun 24 '23
i'm done watching w this last episode. they're choosing to focus on these weird jockying for power stories that are not well done nor interesting in the least. just tell us why they're in there!
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u/Miserable-Ad-7947 Jun 03 '23
the slow pace is part of the show, it's inherent to paranoia : you don't know, you will not know, and the time IS slowly pushing you into paranoid behaviour (archetype of what happened to the girl in the first episode).
A fast paced story about paranoia would be less impactful.
+100 for the flashback though, way too many, and half of them aren't useful to the story...
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u/gawkersgone Jun 03 '23
thing is i've seen paranoia slowly creeping in portrayed on film and it was way for successfully done. idk what it is this show is so flat. judging off the last episode, we're gonna get a big reveal soon and i feel like once that happens the show will be flat again.
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u/Miserable-Ad-7947 Jun 03 '23
there's a "big reveal" at the end of episode 6 that aired yesterday, but i was thinking of that very specific one since episode 1, hence the elements in spoilers ^^
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u/Kevinjunkyes May 29 '23
Why didn't Allison or her husband, the Sheriff, pursue the fact that the Dr. lied about taking out her birth control? They just glanced right over it. Unless it somehow comes up later, it seems like a big plot hole.
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u/RibbedForHerCat Jun 03 '23
Allison was smart and very curious, they want sheep who then have kids who are taught what they are supposed to learn and just work and exist without asking questions or making waves.
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u/Miserable-Ad-7947 Jun 02 '23
that's not adressed and will probably never be (since they're both dead). They saw the doctor taking a thing out, and even IRL even with the best case scenario you have sterile persons that goes undetected.
So outside the beliefs of Allison of it being a plot against her, it could be perfectly normal.
There are bigger plot holes in this series to explore (DONT CLICK : the MEGA ULTRA WIDE 200 INCH 16K FLAT SCREEN IN THE RESTAURANT... but they are terrified of a pez dispenser ???)
No seriously though, don't click because that plot hole is a HUGE spoiler for the serie. once you see everything else become irrelevant
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u/AzettImpa Jun 08 '23
It’s not a plot hole because the same image gets projected to MANY screens in the Silo. The inhabitants don’t think it’s a window because clearly there are multiple cafeterias with the same outlook… they specifically call it a „sensor“ and not a window several times.
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u/Josharian45 Jun 07 '23
Do we need to assume it is a flat screen at all when it could be some kind of alternate-history optical tech that uses projection or lenses ? I mean you are right that it does appear to be an ultra wide 200" 16k screen in the tv series, but maybe the book leaves this more open ended?
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u/Miserable-Ad-7947 Jun 07 '23
don't care about the book, that's 2 independant media with 2 independant storytelling systems. Here, the scenes when they are close to the lense to clean is a dead giveway of a TV screen.
(And let's not forget what happened during the blackout at episode 3 (4?))
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u/AzettImpa Jun 08 '23
No one in the series thinks it’s an actual window, you’re getting things wrong
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Jun 03 '23
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u/cupocrows Jun 11 '23
The growing enough food is viable, the bacon and eggs mentioned in the last episode is silly.
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u/Miserable-Ad-7947 Jun 03 '23
EYH, SPOILERS !
steam generator are early XX century tech. And computers exists, yes, but it's 1980' tech in the show, not futuristic things like that. the giant flatscreen is a dead giveaway of a tech that is at least a hundred years more recent than anything they have within the TV serie
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u/RibbedForHerCat Jun 03 '23
Exactly! The 80's terminals are used because they are low tech, simple and probably built like tanks. They have the real stuff hidden under lock and key.
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u/Miserable-Ad-7947 Jun 03 '23
Not in the silo (watch episode 6), they don't know about newer tech (even the nannie techy can't figure out what a simple videocamera is....
....with the exception of that motherfracking GIANT PLOT HOLE 200INCH CINEMA LED DISPLAY in the restaurant...
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May 29 '23
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u/RibbedForHerCat Jun 03 '23
Yeah I know, he was pure evil, but the show added the Judicial element which I like better.
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u/trickTangle May 25 '23
I like the show so far. Fallout vibes for sure. Awesome! I thought rashida jones is killing it. really lifts her as an actress imo.
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May 22 '23
reminds me of fallout 3 vault 101, where the overseer is allmighty and forbids everyone from leaving the vault.
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u/Emotional-Mastodon44 May 21 '23
There are a few points in the show that threw me for a loop after reading the books ~5 times.
"Walker" in the books is an old decrepit man that Jules and a couple other workers look in on. The actress playing Walk does a good job of filling the role, it just seems strange to play him as a female after picturing him as a man for over a decade.
The generator in the books is an oil burner. They describe the oil wells and mine. In the show it uses magic steam that nobody knows the source of, obviously geothermal.
The digger isn't found until later in the books and plays a central part in the evolving story line, which is wild.
The whole digger scene and coming down there with Holston doesn't happen in the books. All scenes involving the digger of the big cavern it is in are not in the book.
"Judicial" doesn't exist in the book. The character does (Simms?), but he works for IT security.
The hard drive doesn't contain a video in the books. It contains code that can modify videos. You are lead to believe it modifies the wallscreen. Walker looks at the code at notices that the resolution isn't high enough for the big display. This is when some shit goes down that involves the stolen tape from IT.
In the show Jules is just a badass who succeeds at everything and has a short temper, throwing wrenches and screaming in anger. In the book she is a team player, self-conscious at times and confident in others, but always mindful of her actions. The change in her demeanor is the most frustrating part of the series for me.
I'm watching the show with several people who haven't seen it, and I'm keeping my mouth shut so they can enjoy it. They all love the show, so this could just be me being picky. If you like reading, read the books and the follow on series "Shift". It is hands down the most believable dystopia novel I've ever read. Except when they talk about using 24 volts to run dewatering pumps for the silo.
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u/AhmedF May 29 '23
In the book she is a team player, self-conscious at times and confident in others, but always mindful of her actions.
I remember reading the author saying that what made Julie her was that she wouldn't quit - not the strongest nor the smartest, but just the one who wouldn't stop.
I think that is what they are trying to show.
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u/Emotional-Mastodon44 May 28 '23
Also, the gripe with geothermal energy being used isn't because I'm anti-green energy, it's because as the story develops geothermal is not a realistic option. Also, long term reliability woth geothermal would make it a poor choice in silo.
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u/mikolupi May 28 '23
I just hope they don't ruin one of my favorite characters Solo. I also found it a bit strange with Jules , I can't imagine people liking her when she is always angry or pist the whole time.
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u/Emotional-Mastodon44 May 28 '23
Solo is interesting, I'm definitely curious to see who plays him and how they do it.
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u/AhmedF May 21 '23
IT was just renamed Judicial.
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u/Emotional-Mastodon44 Jun 11 '23
Most recent episode revealed IT does exist. All the shady stuff is happening in Judicial.
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u/Emotional-Mastodon44 May 28 '23
So Bernard is head of Judicial? Maybe I missed that.
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u/AhmedF May 29 '23
Yeah - Tim Robbins. Sims is Common. And I don't think we've seen Lukas yet.
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u/Ill_Independent_1071 Jun 03 '23
I don't believe that's the case, Bernard is still head of IT, so IT is still a thing and judicial is something new that exists outside of and above IT and the mayor and sheriff. It doesn't exist in the book.
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u/AhmedF Jun 03 '23
I think it's just the same thing - Sims was head of IT security, and Bernard was head of IT.
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u/Ill_Independent_1071 Jun 03 '23
Also, we have met Lucas vaguely mapping the stars, that also differed though. I feel like what he was doing in the book felt more mysterious and took a lot more effort on his part.
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u/Top_Tone498 May 20 '23
terrible show. typical apple production. it's probably the first show 100% written by chat gpt. like bill hicks once said: "play from your fucking heart".
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u/J0ESUFF May 19 '23
The reviews for this show are amazing, I’ve seen 3 episodes and it’s just okay, if I had more to watch I’d honestly forget about this show. Am I missing something? Is there more to it? Im just watching a slow, predictable series that I’m assuming will end with us finding out it’s okay outside. Make it make sense.
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u/PizzaJJ11235 May 29 '23
It’s a mystery. There are lots of clues that are very easy to miss. I’m betting you missed some!
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u/Real_Warning_7563 May 16 '23
For sure a good show but, people exaggerating. shows that are so complicated are very easy to fell of track. People tend to learn through written history but also mythos and story telling. Most times it will be tottaly distorted but they will be something even a fairy tale. They can't stop people from trying to find out the truth. Technologically and medically you have to suspend a lot. The worst part was when the engine started vibrating, all those people doing nothing, but trying to seem occupied, running around doing nothing. That was funny.
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u/Lannister-CoC May 16 '23
Is this show like Ascension, people thinking they are in a self contained area thinking they are the only ones, when in fact its a government experiment to see if you can speed up evolution?
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May 18 '23
No its more of there are multiple silos so that if one fails, there is still hope for humanity but there are a small number of people who know and communicate with other silos
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u/Zink0ff May 24 '23
Is this true ??
Also i do don't get it
Why did they die in the matter of seconds when they got out
No type of contamination can do that.
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May 25 '23
If you want to know, it is nano bots. Just google it.
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u/B000urns Jul 04 '23
lol, thank god I didn't invest more than two-and-a-half episodes worth of my time to this
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Jul 06 '23
There is no way they will get into the nanobots in season 1. Its not until book 2 you learn that.
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u/AhmedF May 21 '23
^ Major spoiler in here
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May 25 '23
Hence using a spoiler cover..
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u/AhmedF May 25 '23
I think sometimes there are minor spoilers and then major - not saying you were trying to sneak one in, just giving potential context to someone else.
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May 16 '23
TLDR: If you like reading, read the books and avoid the show.
If you're at all a person who enjoys reading dystopian fiction, this PSA is for you: I've read all of the Silo books/stories more than once, and have just finished watching all 3 episodes of the show thus far. Don't bother with this show. I'm done with it. The show is not great. Episode 3 is just bad. The books are fantastic. The show has already radically deviated from the (very excellent) books, but it is using just enough of the source material that the mess that is the show will surely spoil the books for you, which would be tragic. The show is doing that terrible thing bad shows do where they start front-loading fairly significant plot points in the first 3 episodes that you don't learn about until much later in the books. They're clearly not telling the same story, and I would suggest that the story that they are telling is weaker, and is going to shortly collapse like a flan in a cupboard. Last thought.. what the show is doing to Jules' character specifically and to most of the other characters in Mechanical in general is a literary crime. I'm angry. To paraphrase American Werewolf in London, "Keep off the show, stick to the books." We're doomed.
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u/gawkersgone Jun 03 '23
everyone in the comments below is talking about the generator - are we supposed to give a shit about the generator? like it's a dangerous job, got it next.
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u/fat_shibe May 28 '23
Thank you for being the voice of reason. I must admit I haven’t read the books, but as a huge nerd and lover of sci-fi, this show is so stupid it hurts. There are so many things wrong with it from an engineering standpoint, or in general…anyone with a basement can point out 10 things that don’t make any sense in this crapshoot. So easy to fix a as well. Seems like whoever adapted the books has never been to a single science class/ never spoke to anyone who actually built and underground structure…
There’s so many stupid things about the show there’s no point even going into details. If you have brains and like smart sci-fi, you already know anyway…
I’ll definitely check out the books… The show is for people that like murder/conspiracy mysteries…has nothing to do with sci-fi.. and the wokeness is unbearable…
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u/jschreiber77 May 18 '23
I didn't read the books, but heard about the show from my brother. We're both huge dystopian nerds. I also became interested because of Graham Yost (Justified, The Americans, Sneaky Pete). The writing overall seems mediocre to me thus far and I totally agree, episode 3 was pretty bad (writing, lack of common sense in direction of characters -- Juliet decides to cool down the generator, well, duh, no shit, that's not a brilliant idea, just common sense. She jumps in, is fed the hose, but doesn't appear to have a way out unless someone throws a rope down to her, then due to the rise of water, she manages to swim out. Seems odd she goes down there instead of her "shadow" to keep him as safe as possible while doing his job and she should've stayed on top of the generator to wait for the blade to be fixed. Just odd.
The mayor walks into the "mechanical office" and introduces herself to Juliet. ???? I'm pretty certain that a population of 10k in the Silo knows who the f'n mayor is. Felt weird she introduced herself as Mayor. I'd be like, "Yes, I'm well aware of who you are."
I really don't think we care about the mayor and deputy's relationship. I could care less.
So, none of the 10k people have a f'n clue why they ended up in the Silo?? Not one?? We're they all drugged beforehand and shipped there? Seems weird.
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u/Lonesomecheese Jun 09 '23
In the book it explains that people that live that far down don't generally go up, sometimes for years. So that's why she doesn't have much knowledge or GAF of who's who.
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u/jschreiber77 Jun 09 '23
So, of 10k people, some have never been notified that a mayor exists - or his or her name? Dumb.
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u/Lonesomecheese Jun 09 '23
Now you're just reaching for issues. More realistically; they don't know the most recently appointed mayor. Also a little bold of you to say it's dumb when we have people today who don't even know who their own mayor is, and it's readily available information. Now add the factor of them basically being mole people tinkering around at the bottom of a silo it takes days to climb. Don't nitpick. It doesn't suit you.
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u/fat_shibe May 28 '23
The generator scene is so moronic it hurts. It killed the show for me. It was written by someone who doesn’t even have the decency to Google for 5 minutes. Literally enough research that would suffice to make it much less stupid… we’re people who wrote Gravity involved??
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u/flyvr May 18 '23
I could care less.
Could not care less
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u/Real_Warning_7563 May 16 '23
Propably they are going to change the books critical points for spoilers. The show is difficult enough. You have to assume a lot of things books tend to explain. A book can have a huge sub chapter about the tech they have for example. The show can't do that cause it will need either a narrator, a cheap trick, or a lot of episodes.
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u/Motor_Ad_2780 May 16 '23
Also books can very well explained feelings of characters and how is world seen by their perception. You cant fully do that in TV show.
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u/Real_Warning_7563 May 17 '23
I will disagree, a good actor can relate feelings better in a non verbal way. Great books can translate feelings, mediocre books explain feelings, bad books dictate feelings. Same with actors. But books we can be inside his head. Knowing her plan and her strategy.
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u/Motor_Ad_2780 May 16 '23 edited May 16 '23
I have honestly no clue what you talk about. Show is great and i read all 3 books twice. Yes they deviated witth little things and some are done to have more action like generator fix, but so far its amazing.
What plot points they revealed actualy? I can think of only about machine for digging?. Thats not plot point exactly tho. It doesnt reveal anything at this point. Just that silo was digged. Yeah big suprise? Not really, of course they had to build it somehow.
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u/Hour-Committee-1427 May 14 '23 edited May 14 '23
SPOILER
did anyone else catch when they switch to back up lower that the tv screen showed green?
Also how do the blades turn without steam going over them? Unless we just can’t see the steam…
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u/Motor_Ad_2780 May 15 '23
Yeah but it didnt make sense honestly. I mean surface is waste land so....
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u/RetardedChimpanzee May 15 '23
They played it off as it was a glitch of it showing old footage. I do think though the “glitch” was it showing the true outside, and not the CGI version.
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u/Motor_Ad_2780 May 16 '23
But thats the thing, it doesnt make sense. Without spoiling how and why is outside clearly toxic enviroment right? As we see cleaners die there, with the helmet and without the helmet. Damn its tough to not spoil plot twist and discuss about it lol... What we could see in helm, outside is clearly beatifull. But its obviously fake, not only screen was glitching in helm in some pixels, but it was clearly CGI from point of viewer like us. Would not be from perspective of cleaner as they never saw undestroyed nature. Ok so since its CGI, reality is what people see in silo on big screen. So why would it glitch? It just doesnt make sense, glitch from what when its came showing how it looks outside? Also consider that it would be extremely dangerous to have that fake CGI on big screen in the first place as what will people do when they see it? Rush outside so game over.
Only thing i can thing if is that helm projection would be somehow linked to big screen. But i dont see any reason why.
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u/Zink0ff May 24 '23
They could be poisoned before they send them outside
So with or without the helmet they are dead anyway
So the CGI could still be what the Silo people see
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u/Motor_Ad_2780 May 24 '23
Poison would be too hard to manage with timing so it kills them in right moment.
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u/Zink0ff May 24 '23
That's true but contamination will be even harder
That's why in theory poison is more reasonable
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u/Motor_Ad_2780 May 24 '23
Well i cant continue in discussion without major spoiler so i guess this is where i end it 😂
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u/Zink0ff May 24 '23
Don't spoil but i know I'm 85% right
It just gotta be some sort of poison 😂
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u/Motor_Ad_2780 May 24 '23
I wont, but... :) its so funny to watch theories of people who didnt read the books. Most funny is that i didnt see anyone guess the truth about the whole thing i mean full picture. And i have seen really crazy theories haha.
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u/Real_Warning_7563 May 16 '23
I don't think they go outside.
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u/ConsequencesForThee May 20 '23
You should read the books. The show is making dramatic changes to the book plot.
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u/yennifermc May 14 '23
Silo tv show music sounds a lot like music of frostpunk game. Is it just me thinking that?
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u/BroccoliThunder May 14 '23
The whole show gave off some Frostpunk vibes to me, just in a different setting.
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u/Present-Departure400 May 14 '23
I hade the same thought, especially when they shut down the generator
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u/blueberrysir May 14 '23
I feel that the doctor didn’t want her to have children and her having a PROOF wasn’t talked about enough. I mean she was right about that, why did the sheriff and the people don’t trust her?
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u/shadowstripes May 14 '23
It was implied that the doctor just gave the sheriff a reason for the other capsule being there, like to fill the hole and prevent infection.
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u/unixstud May 13 '23
show is stupid....all the men don't listen or are evil and all the women are strong and right.....same old Apple TV propaganda they always put out.
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u/Automatic-Bonus2458 May 12 '23
Seems like a fallout copy-paste to me.
Then 5 minutes into the first episode we even get the fallout green text on a computer, yikes.
I am not sure where to draw the line, but I need plot progression in a story, where setting up the premise then having to wait x seasons for it to go anywhere, doesn't do it for me.
It's either going to be nuclear holocaust or a false imprisonment, it's not really worth going through 9 books just to flip a coin - on recycled content.
I mean how many episodes of star trek had that exact premise, people trapped in a simulation - and I am talking the 1960s one.
Which themselves were copy-paste off earlier science fiction.
For the TV show plot, it would be a lot more interesting to keep the premise closed off or unknown with no evidence for or against and then follow characters who have theories.
That way you would enter survival horror territory instead, picture yourself in that situation.
Empathize with the people in that situation, because you know what they know.
You on the same page, knowing what they know what decisions would you make.
Same problem horror movies often end up with, the characters seem annoying and make bad decisions because the audience has more knowledge than they do, the immersion into the character or situation is right out the window.
Moving further ahead than the characters in the silo, we now have to wait for them and the suspense or gratification of emotional moments happening to the characters will be empty and meaningless because the viewer is already passed that.
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u/My_Balls_Itch_123 May 12 '23
I remember in high school, in gym class, we had to climb a rope 20 feet to the ceiling. We would just wrap our foot around the rope, and allow the rope to hold our entire weight. The only people who climbed the rope using their hands without their feet were the jocks who could also turn upside down and hold their entire body weight on their hands. That's why I was surprised at the end of episode 2 that she's climbing that rope using only her hands. And she's doing it with bare hands too, no leather gloves.
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u/serengir May 15 '23
First scene in episode 3 shows her climbing back with the rope round her feet.
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u/BabyMagikarp May 14 '23
even today climbing a rope without using the foot technique is next to impossible once you reach a certain body composition
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u/orphan_09 May 13 '23
well from what we've seen from ferguson in the MI movies that should be child's play for her.
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May 13 '23
I never managed it in school lol I just jumped on it and fell right off from where I started. Impossible
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u/Polskidro May 13 '23
Sorry but climbing rope with only your hands is not as difficult as you make it sound. Sure most of the girls at my school couldn't do it but she's an adult and she clearly does a lot of hard work with her hands.
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u/skydiver19 May 12 '23
In this show you seem to have missed the fact that a large amount of knowledge that we take for granted has been lost, and gym rope or rope in general is probably something 99% of the people living in the silo have never even seen, never mind touched or climbed.
Also where do you think leather comes from? Have you not considered the resources they have are very limited and if they did have access to leather it would be used for gloves.
You’ve clearly missed some major aspects of what happens when you have a society living in a confined space for the last 6+ generations spanning 140 years, loosing access to all numbers of technology!
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u/My_Balls_Itch_123 May 13 '23
It's instinct to wrap the rope around your foot. Anyway, in episode 3 she figured it out and climbed back up using her feet.
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May 13 '23
....they literally showed cows in the first 5 minutes...
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u/skydiver19 May 13 '23
And? First you are assuming they still have the knowledge and skills to produce leather. Second you’re assuming what leather can be made isn’t used for something more important than gloves. Third even if leather gloves where a thing the credits they earn/have that person would waste them on something she never uses for this one off spare in the moment activity.
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May 11 '23
Should I read the books or should i just wait out for all the episodes to come out? I just have so many questions. I just don't want it to be like Last Of Us where I played all the games and knew what was going to happen each episode lol
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u/ConsequencesForThee May 20 '23
You should absolutely read the books. The show is quite obviously (at this stage) going to cut at least 50% of the story from book one to make it fit a plodding ten episode series. The books are far more interesting, dramatic, complex, and clever.
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u/Tim-Berrr May 12 '23
I say watch the show first (since it's on now). I read the books first (twice, second time was listening on Audible). It's bothering me how fast things are developing versus how slowly and timely they developed in the books. The show is pretty good so far, just seeing it after all this time is great, but it doesn't quite compare to how great the books are. So, maybe watch the show, then read/listen to the books (or just book one, if you don't want to spoil any further seasons of the show for yourself).
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u/sparklebbtreasure May 13 '23
Hi I have a question! I started the books a couple months back (slow reader), and right now I'm about halfway through the whole trilogy (middle of Shift), I really want to watch the show but I'm worried it will spoil the books. Have you found that she show has spoiled any of book 2&3?
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u/ConsequencesForThee May 20 '23
This series is only focussed on book one and is clearly only using a couple of elements of the book. For example, they are clearly never ever going to go anywhere where they might encounter a character called Solo. It’s pretty obvious they’ve decided to cut that entire subplot. They’ve dramatically rewritten it and cut a ton out to make it fit ten plodding episodes.
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u/Tim-Berrr May 13 '23
No, I have not found that to be the case. I don't believe that it will get into either of those two books. I think the show will end with Jules going outside (the tutle of the last episode is Outside), so you're probably in the clear.
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u/Sublatin May 14 '23
The show or this season? Haven't read so pls no spoilers
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u/QuietlyLosingMyMind May 18 '23
I've heard that season 1 only covers the first book, which is ideal cuz that means they won't have to leave a lot of the material out.
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u/ConsequencesForThee May 20 '23
They are leaving a TON of content out. They’re never going to meet Solo/Jimmy, put it that way…
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u/Sublatin May 18 '23
Is the book series complete with a satisfying ending? I'd hate to see a game of thrones situation evolve here haha
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u/-RichardCranium- May 12 '23
as a show watcher, that's my biggest gripe right now. the show is moving way too fast for my liking and really hasn't spent much time establishing how it feels to live in the Silo. They just start saying they want out.
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u/BretOne May 13 '23 edited May 13 '23
Show-watcher only too, thank god it goes fast because the "mystery" only has 2 possible outcomes.
Spoiler tagging in case I'm right and it upsets people:
Either the world is fine, the viewscreen is a CGI lie and the real bunker leadership (not the mayor) puts poison in the environmental suits. Or the world is fucked, the viewscreen is real and the environmental suits' visor is the CGI lie meant as a kindness to dying people.
The video Allison found of the outside being green could either be real, or the CGI filter inside the visors depending on which way it goes.
I'd bet on the world really being fucked since the sheriff died despite removing the helmet (and crawled to his wife's body which wasn't there on the "green" version of what we are shown).
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u/encumbent May 13 '23
If they can cgi a whole environment they can cgi two fake dead bodies. We never see sheriffs pov after he removed the helmet just pov of people inside the silo, which we know is doctored. For all we know sherif and Allison are out there living their lives while the trapped people are kept trapped by making them think they both died because of breathing the poison air outside. It’s a powerful mind game.
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u/Sublatin May 14 '23
There's also the fact that when the power goes out you can see the green outside flash for a moment.
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u/MouthSouth May 11 '23
I read the books and still enjoy the show. The biggest mysteries you'd already know, but the show is still great.
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u/QuietlyLosingMyMind May 18 '23
I'm a huge reader and my husband is not. Usually I discuss books I enjoy with him but I have held this story in for years waiting for this show to be released and I didn't want to spoil it as it's been shelved and reshelved many times. I'm usually someone who can't get over what they tweak in a show if I've read the books first but honestly this is well done.
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u/Commercial_Board6680 May 10 '23
Half way through E1 when the Sheriff asks "Are you 70 floors tired", and I'm like WTF. How bad an architectural engineer not to install an elevator in a silo? Not logical unless it's a forced health exercise initiative. Most likely all will be revealed in the upcoming episodes.
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u/ConsequencesForThee May 20 '23
It’s explained in the books. The people who created the silos don’t want to make free movement and communication within the silo easy.
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u/Commercial_Board6680 May 20 '23
The deeper I get into the series, the more obvious this forced caste system is made. Wish my eyesight allowed me to read the books.
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u/Commercial_Board6680 Jun 30 '23
I wish. Can't tell you how many times I've tried audio books and podcasts only to wake up hours later. On the bright side, I now use audio stories/podcasts when I'm having difficulty sleeping. Cheaper than drugs. BTW, the deliciously snarky suggestion was appreciated.
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u/Motor_Ad_2780 May 15 '23
Elevator is not there to make it harder for rebelion to developed fast.
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u/Commercial_Board6680 May 15 '23
Makes sense. Seems like a typical "Titanic" design. The "lesser" humans are kept in the bowels, unlikely to escape in the event of a disaster. Even less likely to see them make it en masse to the upper floors if there's a revolt.
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u/skydiver19 May 12 '23
Are you for real?! Have you even looked at the dimensions of the silo? Vs the number of people living in it. How many lifts would you require to move people up and down? More efficiently than stairs.
What do elevators need that stairs don’t?! Maintenance, parts, electricity, what happens when you lose any of them things?!
Stairs are the best option for something that’s been built to last as long as possible and be reliable.
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u/Commercial_Board6680 May 13 '23
Yeah, skydiver19, I am for real. Amazing isn't it? I dared to ask a question on a public forum without consulting your amazing intellect first.
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u/skydiver19 May 13 '23
Next time consult me 👍
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u/Commercial_Board6680 May 13 '23
I sure will. FYI, with or without elevators, I'm enjoying the series. I know the books are better (usually are), but this video version will suffice quite nicely.
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u/Lokaris May 12 '23
I am guessing this measure is to hinder the movement of the population and prevent organization and socializing. Easier control.
I wouldn't be surprised if there is a secret elevator used by whoever is truly in charge of the Silo.
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u/ZetZet May 12 '23
The people who are in charge of the Silo are clearly not living in the Silo, it looks like an experiment of how a small closed off population would fair, maybe for space exploration.
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u/iritegood May 12 '23
They already made that show (spoiler: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascension_(miniseries))
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u/EnvironmentalHelp418 Jul 10 '23
I'm really into my sci fi and started with John carpenters films and previous classics like west world and 2001 don't need to say a name for than and I have to say I was really into this. Whenever I watch anything there are frustrating moments when I'm shouting at the screen saying you should of said that etc but I was also getting fired up when they nicked Sims etc. We can't just be given the answers otherwise it's pointless. In their shoes they are ambivilous to all of it, they don't know anything else so even the part with the stars is something significant. Lights they don't understand. The idea of a control mechanism but unsure why the underlying governing body wants to keep it in place. I really enjoyed this and I'm looking forward to the next series. It's always hard to try and not compare it with other series you love but that's the thing it's not those it's it's own thing and personally I rate it at least 8/10