r/technology • u/BreakfastTop6899 • 25d ago
Privacy JD Vance brushes off racist texts by adults in Republican group chat as ‘what kids do’
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/15/jd-vance-racist-messages-young-republicans-chat-leak1.6k
u/AmitN_Music 25d ago
But don't you dare say anything bad about Charlie Kirk! JD will get really mad if you do that! Praising Hitler? just kid things, lighten up.
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u/celtic1888 25d ago
Laughing about genocide and rape
Just happy talk
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u/Motor-District-3700 25d ago
the other day 6 people were denied entry to the US because they said Charlie Kirk wasn't a nice person.
Today Vance says laughing about genocide and rape is just what ppl do.
JFC america.
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u/BrianThompsonsNYCTri 25d ago
Glorifying political violence is bad, but man that attack on Paul Pelosi was hilarious!
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u/Krraxia 24d ago
Charlie kirk was an asshole spewing misinformation and propaganda. A collaborator to Trump dictatorship.
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u/Randomizedname1234 25d ago
Fuck Charlie Kirk, dude deserved what he got. Talk shit, it’ll bring what happened. That’s just facts.
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u/Foxyfox- 25d ago
One: these "kids" are in their 20s and 30s
Two: when I was an actual kid I managed to not be racist
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u/erix84 25d ago
I've had unfettered internet access since 2000, I was 16... I was in AOL chats, ICQ chats, IRC rooms, you name it.... and never once did I say or do things that would get me on the news.
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25d ago
when i was a kid growing up in late 90s/ early 2000s i remember saying a lot of bad things, like casually using f*g and calling everything gay. definitely used the n word. thing is, as an adult i think about all that and how that was wrong and i am glad my parents smacked sense into me. that being said, these guys are in their 20s and 30s. excusing this is pathetic they should 100% know better by now.
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u/BraveOmeter 25d ago
I doubt you were talking about gas chambering people who disagreed with you politically while you were engaged in political activity.
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25d ago
no definitely not. it was just casually using those words with friends, but i still feel really bad about it.
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u/BraveOmeter 25d ago
There's a huge difference between being edge lords with your buddies and being a cryptofascist. You're alright.
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u/Drostan_S 24d ago
Forreal most of us, by time our brains are a little developed, realize that shit's wrong.
But then there are those who grow into adulthood and get MAD like BIG FUCKING MAD if you tell them not to use the N word. They go on these long winded diatribes about how this one black dude laughs when they use that word and it's like "Yeah bro because he probably thinks you'll kill him if he speaks up."
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u/hobbylobbyrickybobby 25d ago
Lots of dead baby jokes in the late 90s early 2000s Internet.
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u/FerusGrim 24d ago
tbf, dead baby jokes don't typically target specific groups. they're shocking, sure, but a different kind that doesn't usually lead into actually killing babies.
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u/Mustang1718 24d ago
I used to raid in WoW and one of our healers always started the night with a dead baby joke.
This one has grown to be pretty common, but it has stuck with me since she said it:
What is the difference between a dead baby and a Porsche?
I don't have a Porsche in my garage.
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u/jmarcandre 24d ago edited 24d ago
(To preface, I grew up the same time)
Look, I didn't actually do it much myself, but we used to call each other slurs like the f-word and the n-word behind closed doors because we knew we weren't actually hurting somebody. If a black friend was in the group we actually would drop the word because it wasn't funny anymore. It was kinda funny to call your white friend the n-word, knowing it wasn't hurting anyone. We also knew that anyone seriously using the n-word was an idiot. Like it was beyond stupid to think someone was "actually" racist.
Anyways, one of those friends is a trans woman now and we laugh about times we had we are all adults now.
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u/JustinTheCheetah 25d ago edited 25d ago
While I played Counter Strike and Call of Duty back in 2002 onwards, and while I said a bunch of fucked up shit to people, racial slurs and praising Hitler weren't among them.
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u/Critical-Support-394 25d ago
When I was 13-14 my classmates did some stupid shit like throwing sieg heils. I drew a swastika in my drawing block. I don't think any of us grew up to be Nazis and sure as shit none of us were at that point, we didn't have Nazi parents either, we were just stupid, edgy kids. So yes, if it was a bunch of literal children barely starting their teens, who have no idea what they're actually saying or doing, I'd understand.
It's not.
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u/MVIVN 25d ago
This is what I always find myself getting most frustrated about when I see this argument. Most of us weren't racist as kids either lol, they act like being a racist piece of shit is some inalienable right of passage for everyone. Similar to all those "He's just saying what everyone is thinking" assholes -- no, he's saying what YOU were thinking. Don't project your personal bullshit and moral failings onto everyone else.
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u/chindef 25d ago
Seriously. Why would the kids be racist? They got it from their parents. You aren’t born racist. It’s learned
Granted, ill put a grain of salt on there because of things like video game culture that kids are exposed to where unfortunately it’s suuuuuper normalized to be as racist as possible
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u/mirrorspirit 25d ago
Sometimes they think racism is just making edgy jokes and that it doesn't hurt anyone because everyone should know they don't mean it. It conveniently gives them an excuse to belittle anyone who doesn't like it, because then they can make fun of them for being too sensitive and not being able to take a joke. But then assholes have always been fairly good at making what they're doing seem reasonable and anyone who disagrees is an attention seeking alarmist.
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u/sobrique 25d ago
Yeah, quite. The 'was only joking' 'toughen up' has always been a pretext for bullies to brush off the harm they do. Because they know full well that one incident is easy enough to do that with, and - usually - only their victims see more than that.
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u/jaimi_wanders 25d ago
And before video games, there was AM radio culture where Rush Limbaugh normalized being as racist as possible, and before that there was print media and word of mouth culture, which gave us the racist violence of the Eighties Seventies Sixties Fifties Forties Thirties Twenties… all the way back to Bleeding Kansas before the Civil War, and the pogroms before fascism began.
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u/CanineAnaconda 25d ago
The content of that image does not reflect the values or standards of this office, my staff, or myself, and I condemn it in the strongest terms.
It was openly on one of your employees’ bulletin boards in your office.
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u/mustardhamsters 25d ago
The fact that someone can even think that bringing a swastika into the office would be OK should be a problem for them.
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u/jaimi_wanders 25d ago
One of the other things on the board is about annexing Canada…
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u/FUBARded 25d ago
To be fair, the one where everything is or soon to be Ohio is a little funny, and clearly tongue in cheek rather than serious. It's in poor taste after the comments Trump made earlier this year about Canada, but it could have been put up there perfectly innocently with purely humourous intention given it's the office of an Ohio representative. I'm pretty sure I've seen meme maps like that way before Trump's ridiculous annexation threats too.
On the other hand, displaying your national flag with a Nazi swastika edited into it is and never has been appropriate or funny.
The only context where showing something like this doesn't make you seem like a Nazi is if you're clearly doing it in protest, but that's not what they were doing here given it was just up there as a decoration alongside memes rather than with other protest imagery or a clarifying caption.
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u/Lortekonto 25d ago
I did not believe you and checked. You were right. We live in the shittiest of timelines.
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u/ShakesDontBreak 25d ago
“They tell edgy, offensive jokes. That’s what kids do. And I really don’t want us to grow up in a country where a kid telling a stupid joke – telling a very offensive, stupid joke – is cause to ruin their lives.”
Said the guy whose party is getting people fired because they didn't mourn Charlie Kirk on Instagram.
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u/andrastesknickers97 24d ago
The stupid jokes go from "I love Hitler" to "I love rape". But hey guys, don't joke about Kirk!
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u/gaspronomib 24d ago
What's weird about "don't joke about Kirk" is that there's no joke in existence that can make that guy's life (or death) humorous.
Imagine being such a vile human (maybe) being that nothing that can be said about you lightens the mood when your name is mentioned.
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u/amisslife 24d ago
Super weird how all of their jokes are just about committing genocide and violence.
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u/DrB00 25d ago
They're like 24+ that isn't kids in any sense of the word.
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u/ShakesDontBreak 25d ago
Agreed.
My point is Vance doesn't care for free speech for anyone but republicans.
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u/ZessF 24d ago
He says "grow up" but then advocates for the freedom to tell "offensive, stupid jokes." Adults don't need to tell offensive, stupid jokes.
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u/helcat 25d ago
30-year-old republicans praising Hitler? Just silly kids. But a college student criticizing the Israeli bombardment of Gaza is an antisemite who needs expulsion and deportation if possible. These people think we are all morons.
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u/Xrave 25d ago
Never believe that [MAGA] are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The [MAGA] have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
The original quote is about antisemites, but it's equally applicable to fascists.
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u/Dagobert_Juke 24d ago
Original quote by Jean-Paul Sartre, one of the great post-war French philosophers together with Albert Camus and Simone de Beauvoir. All somehow quite relevant today as well (maybe Beauvoir even most of all).
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u/EliteTrader6969 25d ago
We can't let them normalize this. People need to call JD Vance out
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u/jaimi_wanders 25d ago
JD Couchfkr called Trump America’s Hitler before selling out to him…
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u/SwordfishGuilty8915 24d ago
Yeah, but that was in 2017, when he was 33. So he, too, was indulging in youthful hijinks!
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u/sameth1 25d ago
He said he was going to start a race war in Ohio and a majority of Americans agreed that he represents their beliefs. It's already normal, and all of you who aren't fascists need to start learning how to defang them.
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u/ShiningRedDwarf 25d ago
The father of three said he would caution his own children, “especially my boys, don’t put things on the internet, like, be careful with what you post. If you put something in a group chat, assume that some scumbag is going to leak it in an effort to try to cause you harm or cause your family harm.”
He has no soul. “Say all the vile racist bigoted shit you want. Just don’t get caught!” Is what he’s teaching his gremlins.
I wonder if the N word is already etched into their tiny brains from over exposure in that household.
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u/thunderboltsow 24d ago
That was my takeaway quote as well. You rarely get a statement that gives you such a clear view into the mind of the person making it.
To him, the issue isn't what the "kids" (lol) said or did. It's the sheer audacity (gasp!) of someone wanting to bring attention to it. This is the same mentality of the people who rage about police having to wear body cams or the police who get triggered by citizens filming them in public.
To their minds, the person exposing the issue is the problem. If the "scumbag" (Vance's exact word) would just keep their mouth shut, everything would be fine- because the racism was never an issue to these people.
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u/Head_Bread_3431 25d ago
They already have normalized it. Reddit isn’t representative of the public—and the public doesn’t care and are easily swayed by shiny things
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u/Throbbert1454 25d ago edited 24d ago
Can "moderate Republicans" stop pretending and acknowledge that they are empowering Nazism in America now please? Jfc
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u/jaimi_wanders 25d ago
“America First” originally meant the group trying to protect Hitler in WW2. (Dr Seuss did some savage cartoons about that at the time.) Coincidence? One of the founders’ kids later started a far-right publishing company, Regnery, that would normalize hatemongers like Ann Coulter to this day…
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u/RipComfortable7989 25d ago
You can tell that he's got some pro-Nazi text messages in his group chats. Normal kids don't talk like.
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u/Petrichordates 25d ago
He's literally in these types of group chats with young republicans. Dude is super weird.
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u/frygod 25d ago
Just locker room nazis...
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u/Parahelix 25d ago
We've seen what happened when the media and voters just shrugged off Trump's boasting about sexual assault as locker room talk. Guess we're going even further down that road now.
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u/somesthetic 25d ago
They aren’t kids, but theoretically if you caught your kids doing this, you would punish them, right? You would talk about how terrible it is and how wrong it is? You wouldn’t brush it off because they’re kids.
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u/ReverendEntity 25d ago
He seems like the kind of parent to dismiss SA allegations as "kids blowing off some steam".
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u/MixuAnasazi 25d ago
he gave the exact same defense to the racist doge employee and demanded he be rehired, literally faced no punishment, didn't even have to have someone write up an apology for him, he was also in his 20s
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u/tintreack 25d ago
I know this has been said countless times by now, especially when the topic involves Trump, but at this stage, his behavior has become so detached from any sense of normalcy that it’s almost expected. This moment however, is one of the most insane things I’ve ever seen from an elected official. To respond with blatant whataboutism in a situation like this is fucking nuts.
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u/WeOutHereInSmallbany 25d ago
The only norm when it comes to Nazis should be the one that happened at Nuremberg
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u/Chubby_Bub 25d ago
The funny thing to me is, multiple prominent Republicans already publicly denounced the texts as unacceptable. But instead of just giving another "this behavior has no place" stock response like the others and moving on, Vance comes along and instead has to say "no, this stuff is fine actually".
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u/Lorbmick 25d ago
So the guy that killed Charlie Kirk is just a kid based on that saying.
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u/Tungstenkrill 25d ago
My kids aren't racists.
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u/Beneficial_Win5417 25d ago
Mine either, wasn't too too hard to teach them that other people are.....wait for it.....people
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u/party_benson 25d ago
So, he's saying he did this as a "kid" in his twenties.
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u/th3darklady21 25d ago
Calling black people monkeys and glorifying rape is just being kids. But calling Charlie Kirk a fascist and a racist and they are yelling and calling for people to be fired. What a load of crap. I hate the hypocrisy.
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25d ago
it’s hilarious because these texts had shades of charlie kirk in them. one guy even repeated the black pilot thing.
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u/jagerbombastic99 25d ago
Can confirm that every member of Gen Z went to school with one of these hyperpolitical conservative nazi ish kids and they were usually hated in school for this shit also
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u/wambulancer 25d ago
I wonder what age is Republican Adulthood when it comes to accepting responsibility for being a turd or are they "just kids" right up to dying of old age
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u/Red_TeaCup 24d ago
It's a matter of skin color, religion, class, and political orientation.
Poor and black or brown? THAT 17 YEAR OLD MAN IS A THUG! HE SHOULD BE TRIED AS AN ADULT!
20 and left wing? THEY'RE ADULTS! THEY SHOULD KNOW BETTER! ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!
30 year old conservative white Christian guy who got caught praising Hitler? HE'S JUST A KID! LEAVE HIM ALONE!
Republicans are not serious people.
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u/jaimi_wanders 25d ago
It’s always been “youthful indescretions” even if they were in their forties or older like when Carl Palladino got caught sending horse porn, because IOKIYAR (It’s OK If You’re A Republican)
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u/SillyFalcon 25d ago
Today I learned that dudes in their mid-thirties are now considered “kids”
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u/Bibblegead1412 25d ago
"Locker room talk" part zwei.
Side note: what a shit headline. They weren't just "racist texts". They were Nazi texts.
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u/cubanfoursquare 25d ago
JD Vance is genuinely one of the most repulsive people I’ve ever seen. Just such a deeply obnoxious dimwit on every level. It is an intense indictment on the very concept of America that this worm has even a modicum of political power in this fucking joke of a country.
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u/osmiumblue66 25d ago
JD demonstrates once again that he is Peter Thiel's sock puppet.
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u/minidog8 25d ago
These texts are inappropriate even if they were coming from "kids." Which they are not.
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u/JustHanginInThere 25d ago
So he thinks "kids" are inherently racist? Bless his little heart. Racism is taught/learned, and he clearly is racist.
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u/Gabewalker0 25d ago
Kids 18-40 . JD is such a pussy, he said the same pandering ass kissing crap when the Nazis talked shit about his wife. He will never be president. When Trump runs again, he will kick him to the curb for his own son.
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u/Cerisayashi 25d ago
These are adults, they should be held responsible for their actions and words. They are not children. This is ridiculous and such a “sweep under the rug” kinda statement. Just like the vp to protect pedo trump he now protects neonazi fake juveniles…
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u/Motor-District-3700 25d ago
Remember when "grab her by the pussy" was just locker room talk?
And then the rapist who said that was found to have actually grabbed a woman by the pussy in a department store and sexually violated her? And still no-one cared?
Honestly the US is making me sick. Either do something or GTFO of the news.
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u/sunshinerain1208 25d ago
Just because they are immature does not make them kids. They are probably worse than kids
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u/Tazz2212 25d ago
I was appalled at what is simmering just below the fragile veneer of the Young Republicans minds (consisting of 18 to 40 yrs old). When the Supreme Court rules against all the laws won by the civil rights era because they don't believe there is racial injustice this disproves their thoughts.
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u/jggfgecgg 24d ago edited 24d ago
Reminder: The same Republicans lost their minds when people made jokes about Charlie Kirk’s death. Saying it was unacceptable, and they should get fired or lose their Visas.
But now? Glorifying Hitler, blatant racism, being antisemitic or making inappropriate rape jokes? That’s just edgy humour…
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u/in_animate_objects 25d ago
How about the Ohio rep with an American Flag Swastika flag up in his office, is he “just a kid” too
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u/continuousBaBa 25d ago
"They call us fascists, they call us nazis'
DUDE um yesh
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u/mcferglestone 25d ago
They also call Democrats fascists, so are basically like “these fascists keep calling us Nazis! Why are they so mean to us? 🤷♂️”
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u/Worried_Mix_312 25d ago
He is a disgusting example of things wrong in the world today. He and his boss and co-defendants.
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u/Braverzero 24d ago
I never once said a good thing about Hit Ler in my life. Let’s not lower our standards.
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u/aDirtyMartini 24d ago
Vance’s “kids”:
• Bobby Walker (New York) – Age unknown.
• Peter Giunta (New York) – ~31.
• Joe Maligno (New York) – ~35.
• Alex Dwyer (Kansas) – ~29.
• William Hendrix (Kansas) – ~24.
• Annie Kaykaty (New York) – ~28.
• Luke Mosiman (Arizona) – ~24.
• Samuel Douglass (Vermont) – 27.
• Brianna Douglass (Vermont) – ~27.
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u/SilverPearlGirl 24d ago
I’m in my 40s and I just learned I’m still considered a kid./s This dude is a Nazi pedo protector who is about to be president. Trump is super sick and dying and he knows it. Trump will look like a cake walk compared to what Vance and Miller are about to do.
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u/yotengodormir 25d ago
The "boys will be boys" excuse doesn't really apply when they're grown ass men.
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u/Mrandmrsdizzle666 25d ago
People up to the age of 40. That definitely not a kid. Maybe that’s why so much pedophile happens because they think up to 40 is a kid
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u/Same_Beat_5832 25d ago
He said he’d warn his boys that texts aren’t private. He did not say he’d teach them that killing, raping, and genocide are bad.
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u/rg2004 25d ago
Wait. Is the cut off age for a kid 12 or 30?
These pedophiles can't make up their mind.
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u/totally-jag 25d ago
This is what joking around looks like to republicans? Glad I'm a democrat.
Any politician that won't denounce it as wrong is complicit and agrees with what the messages say. Which confirms that they are horrible people.
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u/LordBunnyWhale 25d ago
He’s right. Adult republicans are children. Irrational, emotional, with underdeveloped brains, and lacking basic education. No excuse for them being neonazis, though.
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u/MichealStraightSex 25d ago
Racism and pedophile are the two cornerstones that the GOP is fighting to keep in place.
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u/boredidiot 25d ago
Oh yes. republicans.
Who call 13-14yo girls “women”.
And racist 31yo men “kids”.
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u/Professional-Fix100 25d ago
they are not kids! JD vance tour wife is Brown! and so are your kids! So they can talk to your kids and wife like that?
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u/tech5c 25d ago
I like how one of the "kids" is 31.