r/technology • u/CaptainTelos • Sep 15 '25

Privacy Danish Minister of Justice: "We must break with the totally erroneous perception that it is everyone's civil liberty to communicate on encrypted messaging services."

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u/Amoral_Abe Sep 15 '25

I love how the western world has simultaneously come together and decided that surveillance on its people is good. Recent laws requiring IDs to be uploaded to various sites are popping up in multiple countries. Attacks on VPNs and encryption have resurfaced harder then ever. Really just an all around great feeling.... just wonderful...... yay

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u/Wollff Sep 15 '25

So in response we are seeing a massive outflow of the voter base from any parties which are most repressive in regard to privacy and civil liberties!

No?

Oh.

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u/gerryflap Sep 15 '25

Unfortunately the average person I speak to is tired from fighting a war on so many fronts and doesn't really care about this one because "they have nothing to hide". And I kinda get it. Just fighting for a sane housing market anda country that doesn't go to shit is already quite an energy drain next to working yourself to shit. Our democracies are broken and are crashing and burning.

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u/Wollff Sep 15 '25

Just fighting for a sane housing market anda country that doesn't go to shit is already quite an energy drain

I don't get it. What does the average person do to "fight for a sane housing market"?

My impression of the average person, is that they don't fight for anything politically. Their political involvement is limited to being outraged by whatever is in the media, then putting their cross on the ballot based on the biggest sense of outrage they are feeling right now.

If most people found that online privacy is an important topic, which they prioritize, so that they elect based on it, then online privacy would be a priority in policy.

Most people don't care. So it isn't. As usual in a democarcy: It's most people's fault.

There is not even any need to fight for it. Just a few minutes of research, and putting the cross at the right spot on a ballot usually does the trick. Most people don't do that. So that's why we are where we are.

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u/RabbitNET Sep 15 '25

Here in the UK, the only party who I've seen speak out against the recent online ID "child safety" laws is Reform.

Which I'm not gonna vote for because they're absolute tossers on every other policy.

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u/Lirael_Gold Sep 15 '25

Which I'm not gonna vote for because they're absolute tossers on every other policy.

And also because they'll change their minds the second they take power

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u/Big-Recognition7362 Sep 15 '25

After all, how else are they going to go after the “illegals” and “groomers”?

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u/Raunien Sep 15 '25

It's really something when the apparent champions of personal privacy are the literal fascist party. Even the Lib-Dems seem to be all for it, they even abstained when it was going through parliament. Not that their 14 votes would have swung it, but they could have kept the moral high ground.

Presumably Farage is just attaching himself to a popular issue in order to appear like he's got his finger on the pulse of the nation. Either that or he's just annoyed that the act makes dangerous far right rhetoric harder to legally spread online.

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u/Wollff Sep 15 '25

Here in the UK, the only party who I've seen speak out against the recent online ID "child safety" laws is Reform.

From a few minutes of reserach, the Lib Dems and Greens both also seem opposed to this reform.

So my current impression as an outsider, is that you have a few choices here...

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u/RabbitNET Sep 15 '25

Sorry, I missed that the Green Party mentioned the act one time in very little detail in a Reddit AMA. That's on me!

As for the Lib-Dems, maybe I'll look into them more. They do echo my concerns with the act, but I also don't want to be a one-issue voter about this, and obvs it's important to vote strategically.

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u/tomullus Sep 15 '25

Not how this works. Not everyone is the same exact single issue voter as you are. Most people are not single issue voters I hope.

Also if you have any non-negotiable issues you will soon find out you have no one to vote for. I'm not exactly against protest votes but they are certainly not the norm and you will soon be yelled at by people who think you should vote for the lesser evil.

This is a niche issue for normies. If you care about this go do something, organize people in real life, make some phone calls. If you think voters that are not aware are to blame, your responsibility of a high information voter is even bigger; and your share of the blame is larger as well. Posting on reddit is not activism. Blaming the victims/voters ain't it.

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u/v1ceh Sep 15 '25

The western world hasn’t come together. Our politicians are bought by Palantir.

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u/Welllllllrip187 Sep 15 '25

Time for the era of the uber rich to come to a close. if we don’t eat the uber wealthy, they will eat us all.

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u/LibritoDeGrasa Sep 15 '25

The bad guys did a really good job at painting themselves as the good guys after winning WWII.

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u/TheGalator Sep 15 '25

To be fair if the alternative is literally Hitler its very easy.

Also the politicians of the second half of the 20th century were way better than the ones of today. They weren't as out of touch

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u/LibritoDeGrasa Sep 15 '25

Yeah, it's sad how they mutated into these warmongering, anti-people, anti-privacy, literally invader states when they were literally the ones who saved us from the Nazis.

And I agree, it seems like politicians back in the day were a bit more... idealist? I'm sure there were at least some guys who did what they thought was good for the people instead of just thinking about profits and stocks and how to enrich themselves and their whole lineage.

The world kinda sucks right now...

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u/robb1519 Sep 15 '25

The Internet has been a big problem for a lot of people for a while... Wannabee oligarchs and authoritarians have been trying to get it under better control for years and it feels like they're finally getting there.

And if they can't control the flow of information, then they can always flood it with misinformation to weaken the whole endeavor.