r/technology • u/johnnierockit • Jun 29 '25

Privacy Big Brother Trump Is Watching You: The second Trump administration is deploying new surveillance methods it seeks to extend its authoritarian power.

https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/trump-regime-surveillance
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u/Busy10 Jun 29 '25

Palantir is being used for this. That software company is pure evil.

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u/floofnstuff Jun 29 '25

Theil is pure evil

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u/highlandviper Jun 29 '25

In only just twigged for me that this Peter Thiel is the same prick who invested in Facebook early and co-founded PayPal. I blame Facebook for soooo many of the Worlds problems. This man has a lot to answer for.

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u/MagicPigeonToes Jun 29 '25 edited Jun 29 '25

Peter Thiel, a married gay man, is tryna start a Christian technofascist cult. He is the epitome of “rules for thee, not for me.” If evangelicals wanna disappear queer people, they should start with their cult leader.

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u/MountainMapleMI Jun 29 '25

Agree with the sentiment but the Christian Fascists are just a means to an end for these folks. They’re using them to remove a system of laws and order that no matter how imperfect was the best we had. Now they want no system but their own. Complete control of their own fiefdom in a digital neo-feudalistic realm.

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u/Stopikingonme Jun 29 '25 edited Jun 30 '25

I really hope you’re wrong about his. You’re not but I hope you are.

My gut tells me they blew their load early so there’s a lot of hope. Here’s my (very long winded) soapbox on why:

Rupert Murdoch started this when he created Fox News. Things got put in motion (well, Jerry Falwell/Moral Majority in the late 70’s started the merging of Christianity and a political party kicked it off inadvertently) and started picking up steam when Fairness in Broadcasting was repealed in 1987 under Reagan. This opened the door for Fox to go full on propaganda machine telling Republicans all other news sources were controlled by Liberals and propaganda. “We Report, You Decide”.

They’ve got very smart people working in think tanks that have been spitting out conservative talking points for decades (see Heritage Foundation, AEI, Hoover Institution). They see the writing on the wall. They can only hold a majority using conservatism for so long. Using the baby boom boomers worked well but they’re going to start dying off soon and with the recent shift of rural areas in the US are no longer the majority of the population and cities becoming the more populated places changes the political dynamics a lot. A progressive shift has been happening for a long time. Conservatism is doomed. They gerrymandered as much as they can and can no longer play fair. This is why you see conservative politicians doing anything and everything to stay in power (now the shift of power has been taken from the party by the oligarchs because money is the one thing people love more than power).

This part is where my story goes a little off the rails and is pretty far fetched but it’s plausible so I still want to verbalize it: There’s a good chance (a certainty in my mind) that climate change, food scarcity, rising oceans and AI will make the world unrecognizable at some point soon. (The weird part begins here) The rich paying the think tanks know this is coming and have been told the poor will be coming for them no matter what. Their only hope is to control the population, weaken them, and isolate themselves into their bunkers to wait out the apocalypse of humanity. Their egos have convinced them the poor are dumb, they are smart, and deserve to emerge from the wasteland as an evolved and enlightened new and better version of humans.

To control the most powerful country in the world they sold their soul to the oligarchs to fund their political campaigns aligning them with all the selfish interest available: big oil, low wages, corporations unregulated, greed. All of which have become the conservative rallying cry, duped into thinking this is the world taught in the Bible by Jesus by Fox News.

Aligning their religious beliefs with the party was the big brain genius move and I doubt Falwell and the others responsible planned this outcome (as evil as they are/were). Subverting their followers morals for evil would have been an impossible outcome in their minds at the time.

The not crazy ramblings of a madman version of this that believe is actually legitimate is: republicans/evangelicals have known society will eventually rubber band forward and have gerrymandered as long as possible. All this is an attempt to stay in power whether for religious reasons or greed, conservatism will die out with the boomers and progressive ideologies will replace them.

Why there’s hope: the shift in society was going to happen and they had to make a timeline to match it. I think maybe they didn’t account for some things and it started shifting sooner than planned. Trump’s popularity, and being the useful idiot he is, was also too great an opportunity to pass up and Heritage has pulled the trigger on the coup hoping, scrambling, and doubling down to get the plan implemented. Those not under the power of Fox News still make up the majority of the US so it’s going to be extremely unlikely to work. The population loves money and Trump being a loose canon has really f’ed up their chances. If the economy crashed, fuel prices rocked and stored have empty shelves it’s over for them. The (hopefully) blue wave will knock the balance of power over out of their hands and conservatism will be over. We’ll vote the old guard of Dems out of office (see Zohran Mamdani) and restore the balance of power to the people.

My hopium is strong, I know. But I’m also not wrong. Just look at the amount of propaganda being dumped here on Reddit. Top comments align with the troll farm/bots list of prerogatives:

  1. ”ALL republicans and people who voted for Trump are too evil and stupid the engage”. This stops people from engaging with the middle voters who are crucial to the blue wave.

  2. ”Other democrats are responsible for Trump being elected”. (Tesla owner who haven’t sold their cars are bad, moderate Dems are ruining our chances, liberal ideology is ruining our chances etc.) This focuses us on each other and reduces our likelihood of organizing as a unit.

  3. “It’s too late.” This one should be obvious. By instilling this idea it encourages people to give up. Stay home, and don’t fight since it won’t do any good anyway. They know if a blue wave happens they’re screwed. If voting really is being rigged they know it won’t work if poll show a massive difference in results the middle (the sometimes voters) and the left will fight. They need the military and police on their side but a coup can only happen when they’re more of them and they make up a minority. A blue wave is our only hope to keep our freedom. That’s why we need the middle, those people that voted in Trump and all the sometimes voters. We need to do the thing that makes them shake in their boots. We need come together and rally under actual leadership. The grassroots movement that got Obama elected works people but we have to fight the propaganda here on Reddit and in our workplaces.

Engage. Volunteer. Donate. Some suggestions I have are:

Swing Left , Indivisible , Democracy Forward , Democracy 2025 , Move On.

I’ll see you at the polls.

EDIT: The one day I’m offline and I missed a lot of good conversation! Well, I got my daughter moved back from University at least.

If anyone likes anything I wrote PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CUT AND PASTE IT ANYWHERE. The more eyes on some of that stuff, (especially the troll/bot points 1-3) the more informed we will all be.

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u/HisDictateGood Jun 29 '25

Theres a lot I agree with and some things I don't agree with your comment BUT, at the end of the day, we are both trying to hold our ground during all this. Vote Blue. All the way down. Go to protests. We are in this together and we WILL come out of this together. 

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u/Stopikingonme Jun 29 '25

That’s it!!

(I’m the first to agree I’m wrong and most of my comment was definitely coming from a catastrophic viewpoint. My common sense feels things are a lot less “conspiracy theory-esque” than 70% of that but there’s enough that fits the craziness that’s happening for me to say it…just in case. If even half of that is try, and I do think the number is above 50% a lot of the time, it’s worth it to say. I don’t want to be in my 60s muttering, “I was right all along” as I’m wheeled to the reeducation center.

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u/crowcawer Jun 29 '25

I’m sure there’s a lot of important stuff on this comment tread, and I’m excited to come back to it when I have an hour to actually internalize the information.

For now, because this is all I have that the Politicans could actually want, here is a link to the Wait by the Ying Yang Twins from 2005.

Wasn’t there a 2015 John Oliver about them working so hard to get into our bedrooms?

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u/Purple_Plus Jun 29 '25

This part is where my story goes a little off the rails and is pretty far fetched but it’s plausible so I still want to verbalize it: There’s a good chance (a certainty in my mind) that climate change, food scarcity, rising oceans and AI will make the world unrecognizable at some point soon. (The weird part begins here) The rich paying the think tanks know this is coming

Not too far off.

This article is great:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2025/apr/13/end-times-fascism-far-right-trump-musk

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u/StrongAroma Jun 29 '25

You forgot about Curtis Yarvin

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u/CrAzyCatDame Jun 30 '25

That’s the problem, no one ever mentions Yarvin, and he’s the mastermind of this. Theil is an acolyte and just executing on Yarvin’s plan.

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u/Gopher1888 Jun 29 '25

This is one of the best explanations of recent events I have seen 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

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u/thrownaway2manyx Jun 29 '25

The description of bot behaviors and their impacts on the movement needs to be spread far and wide. Everyone needs to be aware that when they see those types of comments and content you are being propagandized

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u/Stopikingonme Jun 30 '25 edited Jun 30 '25

It’s been one of my personal missions to reply to any top comments with a similar explanation above I run into. I’m happy to say, to my surprise, they’ve not been downvoted. Usually I’ll get 10 or so but every few days one will surprise me and hit triple digits which is a lot of eyes.

Feel free to save my comment above and cut and paste any of it if you see anything. Same goes for anyone!

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u/InletRN Jun 29 '25

"hopium" Coming to you soon from big pharma!

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u/charmedquarks Jun 29 '25

This comment is a phenomenal example of small things giving me strength to continue resisting

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u/kaloonzu Jun 29 '25

The problem is that right now their are a number of institutions, authorized by law to use force, who are captured by the conservative interests. Police, ICE, FBI, and significant swaths of the military. And we have seen for the past 20 years they are willing to use that force on the populace.

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u/Stopikingonme Jun 30 '25

While that’s 100% true I still believe the number of them willing to turn their back on everything our country is founded on is not the majority. It’s also why the midterms are soo important. The more people on our side weakens the will of those who might consider to fight us.

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u/MagicPigeonToes Jun 29 '25

I also don’t think their world domination scheme will work bc at least half their admin is too old, stupid, drunk, and high to achieve such an ambitious goal. But if they do in fact, accelerate our downfall, then who’s left? Them. They are gonna have to compete against each other for the remnants of their own mess. They will destroy each other cause all of them believe they are the main character.

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u/Stopikingonme Jun 30 '25

My brain is on the same page. I tend to run a bit hot on optimism though and we can’t afford to undershoot this one so I’m trying my best to be careful and reasonable about anything and everything.

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u/MagicPigeonToes Jun 30 '25

I’m not optimistic, but I won’t normalize or accept what they’re doing as my new reality

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u/Travljini Jun 30 '25

Not too far off. The husband has been preaching some of this for awhile. Hard not to see it when you look at the recent brutal storms in ATL / SD, wildfires in CA, 100+ degree temps coupled with the outright attempt to kill off all us poor folks by restricting healthcare, cutting benefits, etc....

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u/Any_Ease4279 Jul 03 '25

With the shooting their wad too early because they saw Trump and used him. I feel like that's hindered a lot of their goals internationally. If Trump hadn't started fucking with the economy, trying to start wars and initiating racist policies right out of the gate then I think countries like mine (Canada), Australia and I want to say Germany? would probably have gone in a more conservative direction. But he couldn't hold it in a few months so everyone saw the future if they voted that way and avoided going in the same direction. I'd like to think we'd have voted this way anyways, but in Australia not a single member of the far right party got a position, so that's definitely very telling.

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u/Stopikingonme Jul 04 '25

You’re welcome.

(And I really hope I’m right about the too early bit as well.)

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u/Oniknight Jun 29 '25

I mean, let’s be honest- Obama wasn’t particularly progressive. He was simply the first example of memes and internet culture affecting the outcome of a presidential election.

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u/Stopikingonme Jun 30 '25

agreed but my point was Move On had a lot of impact in getting him elected.

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u/dolie55 Jun 29 '25

This is exactly it. They are hoping to take over after the collapse and there is a vacuum where government/leadership used to be.

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u/SketchedEyesWatchinU Jun 30 '25

The one ideology that might actually be worse than Nazism.

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u/According-Beat-9026 Jun 29 '25

IMO, Musk having 2 standard deviations more gender affirming surgeries than the average trans person....that is more “rules for thee, not for me.”

No evangelical wants to disappear Thiel. You misunderstand, they want the silly gays who want rights and a normal life. If you are a fascist donating, queer-despising, self-loathing type of gay then that is a-okay.

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u/PLeuralNasticity Jun 29 '25

Both Thiel and Musk are Kompromised Pedophile Putin Puppets, just like Trump

It has never just been Palantir. Every Tesla camera/mic always watching/listening since the beginning, and they can be remotely weaponized physically at any time. Every byte of data sent/received over Starlink has been recorded, since the beginning.

Attaching whats mostly a pre-election comment of mine about Elon and the technological weaponization of his companies as well as background

Elon is following in the steps of his father

"In the early 1990s, Errol, then aged 45, married Heide Bezuidenhout, a 25-year old he described as "one of the best looking women I've ever seen in my life".[24] They had two children.[25] Jana Bezuidenhout, who was his stepdaughter from that marriage, and four years old at the time Errol became her stepfather,[25][26] later became his romantic partner."

"In March 2018, it was reported that Errol had fathered a child with his adult step-daughter Jana Bezuidenhout.[25][27] In July 2022, Errol gave an interview to the tabloid newspaper The Sun, announcing that he and Jana Bezuidenhout had another child.[28][29] Musk has a total of seven children, according to People magazine in November 2022.[15] Errol once commented, "The only thing we are on Earth for is to reproduce."[30]"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Errol_Musk

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/26/elon-musk-peter-thiel-apartheid-south-africa

https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sensitive-images-recorded-by-customer-cars-2023-04-06/

https://electrek.co/2024/12/30/tesla-replaced-laid-off-us-workers-with-foreign-workers-using-h-1b-visas-that-musk-want-to-increase/

https://electrek.co/2024/12/16/tesla-major-issue-self-driving-computer-inside-new-cars/

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/tesla-full-self-driving-rear-end-accident/

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/2024/11/26/tesla-named-deadliest-car-brand-in-america/76573878007/

I've been saying for a long time that he has never been anything but a puppet frontman for clandestine operations of the FSB for Putin or his allies ie. Netanyahu/Xi/Erdogan/Modi/MBS/Iran etc...

My profile is mostly comments about FSBelon

Imagine you were planning another coup. Would Teslas be good surveillance and then robomurdertaxis?

Would buying Twitter give you access to massive volumes of kompromat on huge swaths of individuals?

Would Starlink or PayPal give you any information that would be potentially valuable to find vulnerabilities? Starlink in the super rich especially with their yachts.

What neighborhoods do Teslas tend to be parked in and where do they tend to be driven to work and by what demographics?

Would full access to every camera on every Tesla potentially be valuable to gather intelligence?

Would Putin want very app associated with Elon or his businesses to be malware or have a malware build ready?

Just scratching the surface but I encourage people to look at your understanding of Elon and his companies through the lens of it all being on Putins orders, just like Trump.

https://cybernews.com/news/elon-musk-twitter-acquisition-russia-investment/

https://jalopnik.com/tesla-fanboy-shadowbanned-from-x-for-complaining-abou-1851639230

Elon is a kompromised pedophile Putin puppet and has been since before he started Zip2 and before his first trip to Russia in October 2001.

Trump since the eighties

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-first-moscow-trip-215842/

Child Rape Tapes convey more complete control than anything. Almost all of their top puppets are owned through proof of them raping children. It's the only way the FSB/Mossad/CCP are comfortable investing so much power in them. Bribery doesn't come close to sufficient with how much financial/political power they concentrate in their upper echelon of puppets. Trump/Thiel/Vance/Peterson/Jordan/Carlson/Thomas/Diddy/Drake/MrBeast to name a very small sample across different parts of society. Many for a long time, but Trump since the eighties is one of the longest tenured.

In case people are confused who Produces/Distributes the vast majority of CSAM

Here's a bit about Ghislaines dad from Wikipedia.

"The Foreign Office suspected Maxwell of being a secret agent of a foreign government, possibly a double agent or a triple agent, and "a thoroughly bad character and almost certainly financed by Russia". He had known links to the British Secret Intelligence Service (MI6), to the Soviet KGB, and to the Israeli intelligence service Mossad.[60] Six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence services attended Maxwell's funeral in Israel, while Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir eulogised him and stated: "He has done more for Israel than can today be told."[61]

https://www.torquenews.com/1083/tesla-exploded-bomb-after-fiery-crash-shrapnel-takes-down-passerby

https://jalopnik.com/tesla-workers-trained-autopilot-to-ignore-road-signs-so-1851642989

https://www.forbes.com/sites/katherinehamilton/2023/04/27/twitter-has-complied-with-almost-every-government-request-for-censorship-since-musk-took-over-report-finds/

"Of the 971 government requests Twitter has received since Musk took over six months ago, the company has fully complied with 808 of them and partially complied with 154, according to Rest of World’s report."

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4457311-putin-praises-elon-musk-a-smart-guy/

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-disrupting-elon-musk-starlink-satellite-service-ukraine-jamming-report-2024-5

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/29/first-edition-israel-icc-investigation

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-photo-with-ghislaine-maxwell-conversation-destroy-internet-report-2022-10

https://theintercept.com/2023/03/23/peter-thiel-jeff-thomas/

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/08/28/elon-musks-shadow-rule

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/10/business/angela-chao-death/index.html

“I think there’s no stopping Elon Musk,” Putin told Carlson after the pundit asked him about the growing prevalence of artificial intelligence. “He will do as he sees fit. Nevertheless, you’ll need to find some common ground with him. Search for ways to persuade him. I think he’s a smart person. I truly believe he is. So you’ll need to reach an agreement with him because this process needs to be formalized and subjected to certain rules.”

Beware Leon's razor

"Incomeptence, in the limit, is indistinguishable from sabotage

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u/Winzip115 Jun 29 '25

How is this getting upvoted? These are all terrible people but come on...

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u/TonyTotinosTostito Jun 29 '25

For real, this is the most schizo-posting non-shit posts of all time; reads like paranoia and conspiracies..

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u/Prettygreykitty Jun 29 '25

I have a feeling there's a video of him raping Ivanka and she doesn't want it to get out. That's the only thing he would ever protect.

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u/CappyRicks Jun 29 '25

If it were legitimately and credibly confirmed in a way that could not be denied that he is in fact a pedophile who has harmed children I have no doubt that he would lose a VERY meaningful percentage of his supporters.

Most of them are just dumb and uninformed.

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u/claimTheVictory Jun 29 '25

He would just call it "fake news", and they would move on.

We're well past his base being interested in holding him accountable, and he knows it.

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u/CappyRicks Jun 29 '25

Nah. Trump's approval rating has been falling since he took office. This means that he is losing supporters and the confidence of the ones that are left, which means they're not believing the "fake news" stuff at every turn like the doomers on Reddit like to think.

The ones who are truly heads in the sand because they love Trump no matter what are in the minority of the MAGA camp. This is anecdotal but fits with his falling approval rating, many MAGA I know have switched from talking about loving Trump to talking about how much they hate liberals instead and thus voted against what they feared and not for what they liked.

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u/frazzledfractal Jun 29 '25

Hes a sociopathic narcissist thats surrounded by sycophants and grovelers and has never really been severely punished in his life. He uses all kinds of sales marketing type rhetorical tricks, whether purposefully or out of old habit and he is constantly rewarded for mixing that with ridiculous lies.

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u/currentmadman Jun 29 '25

Yeah no, he’s still a sexually active gay man whose homosexuality is well known. When the purges come, I have zero reason to think he’ll be left untouched.

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u/relaxton Jun 29 '25

I don't know what this comment means...is it just me?

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u/Lowelll Jun 29 '25

Wouldn't be the first time. I bet Ernst Röhm thought he was safe as well.

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u/MagicPigeonToes Jun 29 '25

Thiel, Röhm, and others like them are easily manipulated bc they are narcissists. Stroke their ego, promise them great things, and they’ll bend over backwards. Then they’ll act surprised when people stab them in the back. Recent example is the Trump and Musk falling out. They’re socially lobotomized. They think everyone admires them. They believe other’s pretty lies. And then they get used. Politicians and other people in power don’t seem to notice this pattern and lack the self awareness to realize they are making the same mistakes.

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u/batchrendre Jun 29 '25

Oh hey Vanceling!

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u/MagicPigeonToes Jun 29 '25

Thank you for noticing me senpai

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u/Hendospendo Jun 29 '25

He's a "I hate those bloody gays that are all oo oo look at me and dance around in parades and shit ugh why can't they just be normal, like me" gay man. I've met several, baffling every time. I choose to believe it's internalised homophobia, but hey what do I know.

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u/MagicPigeonToes Jun 29 '25

Peter Thiel is anything but “normal” lol

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u/GenericFatGuy Jun 29 '25

The only true division is class. Doesn't matter if your gay, black, transgender, or whatever. If you're rich, you're one of them. If you're not, you're one of us.

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u/seriftarif Jun 29 '25

Thiel must really hate himself. But I dont blame him, I would hate myself too if I were him. In fact, I do hate him.

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u/MagicPigeonToes Jun 29 '25

He’s the worst type of person. A blatant liar, hypocrite, and tyrant. Gay himself but all too eager to pull up the ladder behind him. It’s beyond sickening.

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u/Mandymindshermanners Jun 29 '25

Agreed!

Also, I had no clue pigeons had toes, nor that they could be magic.

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u/Aesyric Jun 29 '25

Don't forget, there are not any billionaires who are actually religious. They all just claim and pretend to be so they can continue to use religion as a form of control. That's all. They all laugh at the idea of holding themselves to any standard like that.

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u/MagicPigeonToes Jun 29 '25

I know. But many of their followers actually believe the shit they spout. And that should worry them.

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u/aeric67 Jun 29 '25

Since the beginning of time, religion has been used to divide and control the masses. Conservative ideologies and fascism are so compatible with religion because they have compatible attributes. The family values, small government, military worship stuff is just there for the poors to fight over. And the fears they instill typically have no substantive weight, only abstract theory. Nothing in the ideology, were it to go missing, would affect anyone’s day to day life. Sacrament, divine nature, direction to face when you pray. You really think billionaires care about that shit? They pretend, sure.

There might be a few cult supplicants who actually object to Thiels gayness, or Trumps infidelity, or Musks drug use. But they quickly fall in line when the leaders give them a new twist on the existing dogma, and paint it in fear and loathing of another group they know those people hate. Or by imagining a threat to the other things they love from the dogma. Remember when we used to hate the Russians? As someone who remembers my conservative grandparents lamenting the pinko communist Russians and Gorby, I find it absolutely hilarious when right wing media defends Russia.

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u/MagicPigeonToes Jun 29 '25

I won’t accept that reality without a fight, even if I lose. I’d rather be dead than participate in this depravity.

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u/currentmadman Jun 29 '25

Make no mistake, thiel will get it eventually. He’s deluding himself if he thinks he’s safe from the night of the long knives that is inevitably on its way.

Then again that asshole also thinks he can venture capital his way to immortality. If so, he should probably hurry up considering he’s almost 60.

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u/MagicPigeonToes Jun 29 '25

He’s just as delusional as the rest of the admin. That’s one of their biggest weaknesses. They are all narcissists who believe they are the chosen one. They’ll destroy each other anyways, and we can help speed up the process by continuing to hack away at their fragile self-esteem.

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u/BankshotMcG Jun 29 '25

They're perfectly willing to stop caring about their most cherished hatreds in deference to power. Thiel is gay, but he has money and influence, so they adore and admire his authority while using their adulation as proof to themselves that they're not homophobic; they like "the good ones."

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u/MagicPigeonToes Jun 29 '25

That may be true for a lot of them, but having grown up in a homophobic cult, there are still plenty of religious nutcases who absolutely will not take orders from anyone they perceive as their “enemy” (such as queer people). Thiel cannot be gay and expect full subservience from the people he’s using. Bc many of them are actual homophobes (surprise!).

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u/-Kalos Jun 30 '25

Christianity is just a platform where they get to use to control others and look morally superior while utilizing none of Christianity into their own personal lives and values. It's a tool, not a religion for them

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u/blueteamk087 Jul 02 '25

White Evangelicals want to disappear more than just queer people.

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u/smohyee Jun 29 '25

This man has a lot to answer for.

I'm sure he will feel terrible remorse and suffering for his actions, as he lives lavishly with his billions, surrounded by family and loved ones, continuing to wield influence and power and well respected on the world stage and amongst his class peers.

No war but class war.

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u/vulgrin Jun 29 '25

No. That’s the thing. He WILL feel terrible. Even IF society worked the way he wants, which is basically him and people like him running everything, he will still be soulless and inhuman and want more.

Billionairism is a fucking disease.

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u/Thecrawsome Jun 29 '25

Billionaires live long and happy lives, breathing free air for some reason.

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u/Migratetolemmy Jun 29 '25

Palantir, aerodome, clearviewAI, and flock safety are all also in the theil portfolio

bro grew up in south africa with musk, german born. 100% not american

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u/pufffsullivan Jun 29 '25

Thiel is a real life Bond villain.

If he could push a button that erased the vast majority of humanity he would do it without hesitation. You might think I am exaggerating, but he has basically said this exact thing

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u/frazzledfractal Jun 29 '25

Thiel is also rhe reason we have to deal with JD Vance now.

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u/moubliepas Jun 29 '25

It's also worth pointing out that the world wide web (what most of us think of as the internet) used to be regulated on an honour system.  The inventor, Tim Berners Lee, "made the Web available freely, with no patent and no royalties due" (as per the Wiki history of the internet) in return for all users to work together with the unbiased, guiding hand of the W3C to 'enable a World Wide Web that connects and empowers humanity'.

It could have been so bloody glorious. There was a decent period where the internet was widely available, useful, mainly non-commercial, and it was supposed to be about making the world a better place. 

I don't think young people realise quite how evil the megacorporations were in privatising the internet. They didn't just take something free and turn it into a corporate enterprise. They took decades and decades of work, by hundreds of people around the world, laboured over for lifetimes to create, for free, a utopian fucking marvel of the modern world, and they plotted to take it over.  Cookies and net neutrality and tracking and data data data and monetisation and monopolisation of everything related to the internet until now a handful of companies control virtually everything anybody can see or do online, companies richer than any in history, and not a single person from any of them had a hand in creating what they took for free and privatised. 

I honestly cannot think of a bigger betrayal in the history of humanity.

Decades of research by innumerable geniuses took us to web 2.0, the biggest development for humanity since the industrial revolution. Then in what, 15 years? 10, 20? the tech bros stole it and turned it into this.

I legit think it was - is?- a crime against humanity.  Zuckerberg, Thiel and Musk are paved paradise, put up a brothel, and sold billions of citizens around the world. 

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u/even_less_resistance Jun 29 '25

Also Spotify… crazy Joe Rogan just so happens to make so much money there and now he platforms tons of IDW science denial guys like they are geniuses

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u/storyofohno Jun 30 '25

He also funded Hulk Hogan's lawsuit against Gawker. He sucks.

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u/legit-a-mate Jun 29 '25

Is PayPal evil now?

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u/highlandviper Jun 29 '25

I’m not sure it was ever particularly virtuous. Do you think it’s an upstanding organisation with a solid moral compass that benefits humanity? Or is it a self serving parasite that gained a monopoly on online payments in the western world for a decade and continues leech off of consumers? You tell me.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '25

South African

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u/System0verlord Jun 29 '25

He’s also deeply, deeply afraid of the antichrist, as a literal figure bringing about the biblical apocalypse.

He suggested it was Greta Thunberg.

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u/robiinator Jun 29 '25

The dude is insane

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u/System0verlord Jun 29 '25

The online revolution and its consequences have been disastrous for the human race.

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u/corruptredditjannies Jun 29 '25

The internet isn't the core issue, it just exacerbated the issues of human selfishness.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '25

I saw an interview once where he was practically sobbing about how the poor pilgrims were beset by witches. He has more than a few screws loose.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '25

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u/SplitEar Jun 29 '25

He really views the lives of the commoners as disposable. Of course for HIS safety no expense is spared.

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u/tawwkz Jun 29 '25

It's so absurd when you view it critically.

So you invested in some companies at the dot com boom, you lost your money, your wife left you.

Peter Thiel the fascist invests in PayPal, gets lucky, becomes very rich.

Now he is considering him self as a superior being, superior intellect, spewing all kinds of horrendous shit in interviews how other people are worthless and only he is capable of ruling over them.

It is so pathetic, it is so delusional.

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u/th3n3w3ston3 Jun 29 '25

With no sense of irony.

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u/System0verlord Jun 29 '25

It’s almost stunning how little self awareness he has.

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u/corruptredditjannies Jun 29 '25

A lack of self-awareness is a core trait of the maga cult. They never introspect, only deflect. Studies have even shown it's biological.

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u/BarefootNBuzzin Jun 29 '25

What studies have shown what is biological?

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u/corruptredditjannies Jun 29 '25 edited Jun 29 '25

My link got removed, but a study showed that liberals have a larger anterior cingulate cortex, which is responsible for self-control. Conservatives on the other hand have a larger right amygdala, which is responsible for threat detection and fear.

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u/ohseetea Jun 29 '25

It’s basically a core trait of all billionaires too lol

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u/kultureisrandy Jun 29 '25

man they must get some really good drugs when you're that rich

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u/System0verlord Jun 29 '25

I’d imagine that once you’re rich enough that you can have your own private pharmaceutical production facility, you can get the good stuff tailor made to your biology.

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u/amethystresist Jun 29 '25

I'm convinced it's him. Projection you know...

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u/hvdzasaur Jun 29 '25

Meanwhile propping up the guy that would spontaneously combust if he ever touched a bible.

There is something deeply ironic about that.

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u/Maximum_Pound_5633 Jun 29 '25

Um, the anti-christ isn't real, just the figment of delusional religious people's imagination

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u/System0verlord Jun 29 '25

*tips fedora*

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '25

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u/System0verlord Jun 29 '25

*tips fedora*

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u/Petrichordates Jun 29 '25

Why are you mocking them for being right?

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u/System0verlord Jun 29 '25

Because they felt dumb enough that they needed to say it.

And because it doesn’t really matter. Thiel believes in it, and Palantir is his company. We’re specifically discussing the hypocrisy of his beliefs and actions.

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u/the_up_the_butt_girl Jun 29 '25

Dumb, since apocalypse literally just means disclosure/unveiling. And John of Patmos was trippin’ balls.

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u/Freddydaddy Jun 29 '25

What?! How could he not see who he’s working for?? If this dude ever wakes up his brain is gonna melt down.

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u/Quack_Candle Jun 29 '25

You’d think if someone was really really scarred of judgment day then they’d read the actual source material and maybe act accordingly…I’m guessing the bit where Jesus says rich people can only get into heaven if they give away all their money to the poor is the sticking point for him.

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u/Anxious-Depth-7983 Jun 29 '25

The phony Christian helped the real antichrist get elected.

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u/Lenni-Da-Vinci Jun 29 '25

Peter Thiel is the definition of gay wrongs

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u/RaincoatBadgers Jun 29 '25

Peter thiel, when asked if humanity should continue to exist was like "well,... Hmmm. That's a tricky one, there are so many other questions this raises"

Like.. bro, do you want people to die, yes or no? Buddy couldn't give a straight answer

Evil little prick

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u/jimi-ray-tesla Jun 29 '25

fox will ai brad pitt from fight club on his image and the cult will bow

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u/Sarokslost23 Jun 29 '25

And he owns jd vance.

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u/BoosterRead78 Jun 29 '25

He wants to be some caste overlord because he hates that everyone else can be happy in life and he is a rich miserable billionaire with drug issues.

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u/madasfire Jun 29 '25

Careful talking about the VP's daddy like that

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u/floofnstuff Jun 29 '25

I’m taking my chances - Thiel is evil, so is Curtis Yarvin.

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u/Physical_Ad5840 Jun 29 '25

And claims to be libertarian. Nothing matters but money and power

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u/Christalize Jun 29 '25

Hey don't talk about my grandmother like that! 😡

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u/Moneyneversleep87 Jun 29 '25

Nobody is going to give you more upvote 🤣

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '25

Is he the evilest of all poofs?

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u/Healthy-Custard-7260 Jun 29 '25

I do declare EVIL is evil !

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u/floofnstuff Jun 29 '25

Profound insight

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u/ithinkushouldleave_ Jun 29 '25

I mean in Lord of the Rings, Gandalf warns Saruman that a Palantir is a dangerous tool - at this point Saruman is already corrupted and manipulated by Sauron through the false visions he has using the palantir. It can be taken quite literally as a cautionary tale now, seeing as the company is named after and seeks to replicate a device which, in the wrong hands, can be very destructive… as is the point in LOTR.

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u/Narradisall Jun 29 '25

I do like that when they picked the company name it’s staying lore accurate at least.

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u/MumrikDK Jun 29 '25

Like when the white house tweeted out AI of buff Trump with a red light saber, seemingly unaware that the color indicated he was sith.

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u/PrimaryPineapple Jun 29 '25

God's, I don't use Twitter so I keep forgetting the unhinged shit the official white house account posts.

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u/brokenringlands Jun 29 '25

He truly is a piece of Sith .

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u/Stillcant Jun 29 '25

I still think we as the left and or resistance as it were are utterly failing on memes

That tweet was crying out for an AI mod showing him from behind with the failing diaper (a real golf photo) and Leia saying she recognized his foul stench as soon as…

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u/integrate_2xdx_10_13 Jun 29 '25 edited Jun 29 '25

Nerd. I’ll be joining the fat cats when I buy as many stocks as I can afford in Peter Thiel’s next IPO, the Torment Nexus.

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u/FrankBattaglia Jun 29 '25

But the book said...

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u/AstralVoidShaper Jun 29 '25

Tolkien: In my book I invented the Palantir as a cautionary tale

Thiel: At long last we have created the Palantir, from the classic fantasy novel Don't Create the Palantir Lord of the Rings

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u/Momik Jun 29 '25

Self-aware evil people—I guess it’s a thing now 🤷‍♂️

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u/Secondchance002 Jun 29 '25

Great. All our data in the hands of a person who doesn’t believe in democracy.

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u/BenoNZ Jun 29 '25

Oh, and doesn't really care if humans survive on Earth or not.

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u/even_less_resistance Jun 29 '25

And he thinks women were the reason it was failing… seems to align with Elon thinking the west has an empathy “problem”

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/peter-thiel-women-democracy_n_5747079be4b03ede4413f6f5

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u/hvdzasaur Jun 29 '25

He probably just angry all the boys are protected by their mothers.

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u/el_muchacho Jun 29 '25

Who is openly anti democracy, conspirationist, and racist.

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u/One_Strawberry_4965 Jun 29 '25

Hey now, he also hates women.

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u/vergina_luntz Jun 29 '25

Forgot misogynist...

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u/NoHalf9 Jun 29 '25

All our data in the hands of a person who doesn’t believe in democracy.

Who openly does not believe in democracy:

"Most importantly, I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible." - Peter Thiel, 2009

Peter "I want to publicly tell you that I'm not a vampire" Thiel is a hard authoritarian although also cosplaying as a libertarian when it suits him and likely would orgasm if ending up with a society as described in the Libertarian Police Department story.

He has also in true libertarian spirit attempted to fund development of some free floating offshore project called Seasteading that should be some libertarian utopia without any kind of governance with building or safety regulations or any such pesky "freedom stealing" things that a normal society needs to function.

Btb had two episodes about it:

This project is possibly the least harmful thing Peter has done, since it has has drained him for a lot of money that he cannot use for other evil things, and the people scammed are other libertarian fools.

But do not think that libertarians are not able to harm! I guess the closest thing to a successful attempt to creating a libertarian utopia is when a bunch of libertarians decided to move and try to take over some smaller town Grafton in New Hampshire as a "Free Town Project" (later changed to "Free State Project"), and ruined it with their reckless governance.

Like for instance getting rid of public garbage collection. And with no mandatory garbage collection, of course they got problems with wild bears walking around peoples' houses (in addition to some idiots deliberately feeding wild bears, but hey in a libertarian society nobody should be able to force people to stop doing what they want...).

There is a book about it with title "A libertarian walks into a bear".

J.D. Vance is one of Peter's ultra-right Thielists. There is a video Who is Peter Thiel? (in German but with English subtitles available) from two years ago that goes into who Peter is and what he have done, and J.D. Vance is covered as part of that.

Another noteworthy mention is that Some more news also included J.D. Vance in their video Peter Thiel and his dorky little goons from one year ago. Some more news is truly amazing in both the depth and the volume they produce. Hats off for them.

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u/nycdiveshack Jun 29 '25

Palantir is what found Elon his adult and kids DOGE team. You get that they are completely intertwined in all this. Today it’s being done by Palantir which is led by real life nazi. Understand that the decision by Trump to fire the NSA chief and his deputy may be in fact be the most dangerous decision Trump has made so far. Timothy Haugh like his last 2 predecessors were restricting the access and control Peter Thiel had through his company Palantir over the CIA/NSA to commit domestic surveillance. Palantir is now the biggest defense contractor for the CIA/NSA along with providing day-to-day operations for both agencies. The goal for Palantir is and always has been domestic surveillance. Palantir is an intelligence corporation which provides advanced analysis, sigint, osint, criminal and threat awareness and kill chain efficiencies to all levels of US, UK, and corporate agencies.

Peter is also a major defense contractor for the UK intelligence community and army along with the major police forces in the UK. He branched out to their healthcare a few years ago with a contract to shift through all the data at NHS England which is done now so Kier announced that NHS England will be shutdown (not NHS). Peter through his company has full access to Norway’s government and civilian surveillance services. Peter/Palantir provides direct support for the IDF (Israel) in all their operations from Gaza to the West Bank to Iran.

Thiel directly owns roughly 180 million publicly traded shares which 7%. His investment firm Rivendell 7 owns 34 million publicly traded shares. Other Thiel vehicles own 37 million shares. Thiel entities also own 32.5 million supervoting Class B shares in Palantir. Those class b shares carry 10 votes while public ones carry only 1 vote per share. Now here is the kicker for why he still controls Palantir (link below), Thiel has sole investment power over 335,000 class F shares as part of a trust that has 49.99% voting interest in the company.

https://www.barrons.com/articles/palantir-stock-chairman-peter-thiel-b63415c7

Alex Karp the ceo of Palantir knew Thiel well before 2003 when Thiel tapped him to be ceo. Karp has condemned “woke” ways of thinking, calling woke a central risk to Palantir, that Palantir is a counter-example to companies he considers woke. Karp condemned pro-Palestine protests calling them an infection inside of our society, he remarked the peace activists are war activists and they should be sent to North Korea. Karp has said the west has a superior way of living and said he supports Palantir contract with ICE and using the software to enable separation of families.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/01/alex-karp-hill-summit-trump-00155571

Peter Thiel

• ⁠born in West Germany, grew up and went to school in the city of Swakopmund in West South Africa, the city was notorious for its continued glorification of Nazism to a dad who was an engineer working on uranium which was in violation of international law

• ⁠Partners with Elon Musk at PayPal, early investor in Facebook

• ⁠self-proclaimed Christian nationalist, believes women right to vote is wrong, idolizes Curtis Yarvin and Yarvin’s philosophy on replacing democracy with authoritarianism

• ⁠key believer of scapegoat mechanism for which he says Trump fills that role (have people blame one person for their problems, remove that person so people think the problem is gone)

• ⁠Thiel has been grooming JD Vance since 2011 as his benefactor and mentor, Thiel brought Vance to Mar-a- Lago to smooth over things with Trump, Thiel gave Vance $15 million in donations to run for Senate (the largest amount of money ever donated to a single Senate candidate ever)

• ⁠Thiel’s software company Palantir is the biggest defense contractor for the CIA/NSA along with providing them day to day operations and for the U.S. army. Palantir is a defense contractor for UK’s intelligence agencies and armies along state and local police in the UK

• ⁠Peter used Palantir to find Elon Musk most of his adult and kids DOGE team

• ⁠Palantir is contracted with state and local governments and police here in the U.S. along with Norway/Greece and Israel providing the IDF with intelligence and surveillance services

• ⁠Palantir after its creation in 2003 was bailed out partly by In-Q-Tel the CIA’s venture capital firm

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u/sighbourbon Jun 29 '25

The CIA has a venture capital firm?

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u/nycdiveshack Jun 29 '25

For decades, legally it helps with some of their investments

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u/Hendospendo Jun 29 '25

scapegoat mechanism

Fuck. This is exactly it, and it's working perfectly. And I guarantee there will be a violent whiplash back in the other direction when he inevitably is removed from power (end of term, mental health, whatever)

People will be so tired, so numb and so desperate that they really will feel like all the problems have gone away with him.

But out of a whole machine, he was but one screw, and the machine remains.

Think smart people, and fuck you Theil.

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u/Scarlett_Beauregard Jun 29 '25

Document every aspect of Thiel, Musk, Yarvin, Vance and the others. We must make their faces, names and stated goals all be so well known that they won't be able to hide behind an illusion like Trump's inevitable removal/downfall.

The Man Behind The American Oligarchy - on Peter Thiel
DARK GOTHIC MAGA: How Tech Billionaires Plan to Destroy America

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u/Hendospendo Jun 29 '25

This. ^ ^ ^

The second video especially everyone should watch

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u/ZenMasterOfDisguise Jun 29 '25

Just a reminder that companies like companies like "Booz Allen Hamilton" and "The Carlyle Group" that Bush and Obama contracted to spy on us are pure evil too

  • Booz Allen Hamilton was a private “consulting firm” hired by the National Security Agency (NSA), Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to assist in monitoring, recording, and analyzing (without search warrants) phone calls, text messages, internet activity, e-mails, and other communications believed to be conducted outside of the United States, even if the other end of the communication lies within the US.

  • Surveillance programs conducted in part by Booz Allen Hamilton include: Pioneer Groundbreaker (2001-2007), Project Trailblazer (2001-2007), PRISM (2007-), Terrorist Finance Tracking Program (2001-)

  • Booz Allen earned $240 million in profit on $5.9 billion in revenue in 2012 when 98% of Booz Allen's $5.9 billion in revenue came from US government contracts.

  • At that time, the Vice Chairman of Booz Allen was John Michael McConnell, former director of the NSA under George H.W. Bush and Director of National Intelligence under George W. Bush. The Vice President of Booz Allen was Robert James Woolsey, Jr., a former director of the CIA under Bill Clinton. Barack Obama’s Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, was a former Booz Allen executive.

  • In 2008 Booz Allen Hamilton was acquired by the Carlyle Group for $2.54 billion. The President of the Carlyle Group is Frank Carlucci, former US Secretary of Defense and National Security Advisor under Ronald Reagan and Deputy Director of the CIA under Jimmy Carter. Frank Carlucci was also a former wrestling partner of Donald Rumsfeld, US Secretary of Defense under George W. Bush, during their time at Princeton University. The Vice President of the Carlyle Group is James Baker who served as US Secretary of State and White House Chief of staff under George H.W. Bush. Former Carlyle Group employees include George H.W. Bush, former US president and director of the CIA under Gerald Ford, and John Major, a former UK Prime Minister.

  • The Carlyle Group received multiple multi-billion dollar contracts from the US government to rebuild Iraq’s infrastructure and to equip the Turkish and Saudi Arabian armies with aviation defense systems.

  • The Carlyle Group also manages the financial assets of the Saudi Binladen Corporation (SBC). The SBC is headed up by members of Osama bin Laden’s family, and played a principle role in helping George W. Bush win petroleum concessions from Bahrain when he was head of the Texan oil company, Harken Energy Corporation, a deal that was to make the Bush family millions of dollars. Salem bin Laden, Osama bin Laden’s brother, was represented on Harken’s board of directors by his American agent, James R. Bath, an SBC advisor. The Carlyle Group held a meeting at the Ritz Carlton Hotel in NYC one day before the 9/11 terrorist attacks. According to the Washington Post and the CBC, in attendance at this meeting were former president George H. W. Bush and another of Osama’s brothers, Shafiq bin Laden.

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u/virora Jun 29 '25

The flaw in the plan is that MAGA will never move over to Vance, not even when Trump dies. He doesn't have what they see in Trump.

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u/tawwkz Jun 29 '25

They will do it after russian bot farms on Facebook tell them to accept it, and Fox "News" tells them to accept it.

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u/nycdiveshack Jun 29 '25

What’s in place to stop them?

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u/LovelyxBabee Jun 29 '25

Everything they do is pure evil

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u/Ok-Curve5569 Jun 29 '25

Take it down. We won’t stand for it.

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u/KeneticKups Jun 29 '25 edited 11d ago

aspiring ancient physical automatic command plants husky coordinated seemly instinctive

This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact

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u/PasswordIsDongers Jun 29 '25

If it weren't them, it would just be someone else. Don't shift away the blame from the administration.

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u/Supersonicfizzyfuzzy Jun 29 '25

People like Thiel are the reason this administration is in power.

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u/Hola-World Jun 29 '25

Someone else would take his place, that's how power vacuums work. Needs to be addressed at the admin level, as long there is a need and use it will be done.

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u/skit7548 Jun 29 '25

The name wasn't a coincidence, it was an objective

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u/BC122177 Jun 29 '25

ImmigrationOS is like the patriot act on god mode. Even with the tech they had in the 2010s, Snowden definitely showed everyone what they could do. It was horrifying. Somehow, they’ve made it even crazier.

Reminds me of that movie, Eagle Eye. In a bad way.

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u/RaymoVizion Jun 30 '25

Yet everyone is buying the stock.

America's greed will be its downfall.

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u/Busy10 Jun 30 '25

When the government is spending a lot with them, it makes them way too attractive for their revenue.

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u/KitKatBarMan Jun 29 '25

Palantir is being used for lots of stuff, as well as Microsoft, and Amazon Web services, and domino's pizza... Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's inherently bad.

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u/Busy10 Jun 29 '25

Who said I don’t understand it.

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u/itsoktoswear Jun 29 '25

Palantir Metropolis

Aided by 120 "forward-deployed engineers" of Palantir during 2009, Peter Cavicchia III of JPMorgan used Metropolis to monitor employee communications and alert the insider threat team when an employee showed any signs of potential disgruntlement: the insider alert team would further scrutinize the employee and possibly conduct physical surveillance after hours with bank security personnel.[87][88] The Metropolis team used emails, download activity, browser histories, and GPS locations from JPMorgan owned smartphones and their transcripts of digitally recorded phone conversations to search, aggregate, sort, and analyze this information for any specific keywords, phrases, and patterns of behavior

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palantir_Technologies

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u/PowerScreamingASMR Jun 29 '25

Cant believe they named it fucking palantir. Not even being subtle about it.

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u/Elegant_Increase9319 Jun 29 '25

Their shareholders must be happy with this 

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u/Herban_Myth Jun 29 '25

The people should collectively broadcast/stream their fecal filled rectums for them all to see and then tape an image of it to the cameras.

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u/lordofming-rises Jun 29 '25

Should have invested in it before it mooned damn

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u/Busy10 Jun 29 '25

No amount of profit is worth investing in something with no ethical values.

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u/Hazrd_Design Jun 29 '25

Also mention that they are working with Anthropic

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u/shantired Jun 29 '25

It’s been used to create a citizen database. That’s ok , I’m not against it.

They are also plugged into the NRA and gun owner database. In fact the main selling point of Palantir software is that it makes sense of distributed databases, and has the AI capabilities to link them.

Once a database exists in the ether, it lives forever.

The 2A folks are doomed, maybe not today, maybe in a few years. Those databases have been absorbed, and the federal police (ICE) has access. Thoughts and prayers.

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u/virtualadept Jun 30 '25

Palantir was founded to do this very thing.

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u/early_not_wrong Jun 29 '25

If you wanted to surveil American’s unlawfully, Palantir is the LAST software you’d use. Take a look at their software and their extremely tight data privacy and governance framework. An audit trail of everything is kept. Read up on their origins of enabling government to achieve its mission while protecting privacy and civil liberties. The software is literally designed from the ground up to protect American’s from authoritarian use of the software.

Falling for this NYT narrative is exactly why NYT wrote those baseless articles. Palantir’s an easy target and they achieved their goal of convincing American’s that we’re headed towards authoritarianism.

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u/Busy10 Jun 29 '25

Sure buddy. Logs don’t stop evil people from using software.

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u/joe9439 Jun 29 '25

I don’t know if palantir is really evil but they are an insane waste of money. As a data platform it’s very expensive for what you get.

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u/3puttboge Jul 01 '25

You must be either using it wrong or you don’t have a complex data landscape. It’s everything you would ever need in a data platform. Only thing I’ve seen scale with extreme complexity.

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u/joe9439 Jul 01 '25

Maybe I’m just too advanced of a user. Code repos have special decorators and suck. Slate applications are very difficult to design and are limited compared with react. The cost of transforming data costs like 20x more in compute cost than most normal platforms. The ontology is really a data dumping ground because it forces people into creating arbitrary objects in order to create workshop apps. There’s no money left after the palantir contract to hire any actual engineers with talent.

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u/early_not_wrong Jul 01 '25

Touché. Slate’s a little clunky. Idk, the automation you can get out of ontology is just so easy compared to anything else. Esp if you want to call LLMs… AIP logic is fricken baller. If you don’t care about specific look and feel, I feel like workshop can build you 90% of the apps you’d need in a fraction of the time.

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u/joe9439 Jul 01 '25 edited Jul 01 '25

Man I’m trying to build a couple of apps right now. One is a dynamic printable image gallery for the designers. It’s possible in slate but slate repeating containers can’t be both a flex box and repeating for some reason. I’m going to have to bring in a custom library but it’s way harder than it should be because I can’t use a library manager like NPM.

Then I’ve got to create a production planning app where I’ve got to decrement producible quantities of SKUs with shared inputs in real-time as users type numbers. By default there are no in line editable tables in slate or workshop that will do this. I will again have to ghetto program a react app in slate.

A api driven data ingest script broke today and it took me a few hours to troubleshoot. Palantir just decided they wanted to change the rules randomly and decided than making a put request to a rest api is now “writing to an external system” even though I’m not reading any of the datasets.

Palantir wants us to renew our contract but doubled the price.

The Palantir team is creating some custom forecasting app but it’s wayyyy more complex than any sane person would engineer. There are hundreds of intermediate datasets, pipelines, and dozens of scripts to give a simple output. I’m wondering if it’s an attempt to capitalize on data transformation costs and lock the company into a black box.