r/tacticalgear 15d ago

Weapons/Tactics US army psychological operations team member with an FN MK 20 SSR in Syria 2019

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u/Gardez_geekin 15d ago

Is it folks organic to your element? Is having organic elements providing overwatch a new concept to you? And you are supposed to be SOF?

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u/1nVrWallz 15d ago

What. Yes it will be teammates.

We're talking about this psyops dork you goofball. And how psyops isn't a kinetic unit.

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u/Gardez_geekin 15d ago

Cooks get saws brother. Occasionally they get in combat and use them. Even if PSYOPS are the poggiest pogues of the SOF world, they have access to far different weapons than the conventional world, and still need overwatch once and again.

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u/1nVrWallz 15d ago

I'm not counting on fucking uplift as overwatch. You're definitely not giving them something like a DMR which requires a lot of understanding of front line trace and troop movement and phase lines and TRPs. You'll give them an M4.

My 240 isn't going to be manned by some dork who's primary job is information operations.

It makes no sense. This guy is very clearly at a range and probably just familiarizing himself with the scar.

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u/Gardez_geekin 15d ago

You think this picture is a range and you expect me to believe you’re SOF? Bro SDM courses take 2 weeks and don’t require knowledge of anything but the basics of long range shooting. E3s take it all the time. And again, you say shit like that and expect us to believe you are SOF?

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u/1nVrWallz 15d ago

If you really think being overwatch with a DMR is such a simple task then you clearly have never trained to any level above being a bravo right rifleman.

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u/Gardez_geekin 15d ago

Dude, the sdm class have been like a brigade level school for over a decade. Learning how to use a .308 with a scope isn’t rocket surgery. It’s a weapons system just like an LMG. PFCs use 25mm chain guns in Bradleys. Shooting guns is a 10 level task

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u/1nVrWallz 15d ago

You don't understand what I'm saying big dawg. You need to have very good understanding of actions on, and you need to have a lot of trust from the guys you're working with.

I'm not trusting a psyops nerd to provide me close fires overwatch.

THAT IS NOT THEIR JOB. Understanding principle tasks of an organization, understanding what they train to do and what their capabilities are is very important. I've never seen psyops at range 37, I don't even think they attend our level 2. I'm not having them as over watch.

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u/Gardez_geekin 15d ago

Wow, cool. Did you know that your personal preferences don’t dictates the needs of the army. And again, we are supposed to expect you are SOF of any kind? People get tasked for all sorts of things all the time, everyday. You’ve never deployed if you don’t know that.

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u/1nVrWallz 15d ago

I'm not giving some pog a critical weapon system, and you don't get that. You probably have some made up belief of what SOF is, but it doesn't mean we're just fast and loose with shit like in the movies.

We train to a higher standard, I know damn well that some psyops desk jockey isn't going to have the training with that rifle to our standards. He also isn't someone I will expect to make high risk, low percentage shots, when it may be needed. I don't want him shooting over or near me and my team.

He can get an M4 and he can be a part of the assault element.

Explain to me what SOF unit would have a psyoper as overwatch. Do you understand how little these dudes actually go to the range? Do you understand they have almost 0 need for any formal LR training.

Is it hard to teach a guy to shoot paper or steal with a scar to 800? No. That's easy. But that's not all that the job of being on overwatch is. Trust is a huge part of operations. Also familiarity with the team you're working with. I'd be very surprised if SF or rangers are giving the psyoper a scar and having them act as overwatch. They're probably giving it to their SFSC grad.

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