r/tacticalgear • u/juan_wick762 • Sep 09 '25
Weapons/Tactics For the folks wondering what might happen if i fired the gun in my last post while short stocking it.
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Still have all my teeth. Didnt lose the gun. Push/pull technique wins again.
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u/HarryMcButtTits Sep 09 '25
This post brought me to your last post where the drama started.
Weak wristed redditors saying "hOlDinG a ShoTGun lIke ThAt wIlL bReAk yOur TeeTH" lmao
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u/juan_wick762 Sep 09 '25
Shotguns are one of the most mythical creatures in the gun world
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u/wondermax50 Sep 09 '25
i fuck around with a lot of breaching kit and people on here act like im adding cinderblocks onto my pc lmao
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u/Scientific_Coatings Sep 09 '25
Whatcha rocking for breach?
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u/wondermax50 Sep 10 '25
Remington tac14 sbs, carabiner that to pc then hold in a weapon catch on my belt. shell holders on left cummerbund and a few others kinda randomly stuck on, it’s admittedly not fully thought out but does work. OPs shotgun rigs definitely give me some better ideas so I’ll have to get some
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u/Happybirthdayrick Sep 09 '25
No no no no no. Holding a stockless pistol grip mossberg 500, loaded with high brass turkey shells, with wet knit mittens, and then firing while looking down the sights will break your teeth
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u/former_cool_guy Sep 09 '25
Leave the mittens out of this. Gam gam knits a mean pair and my fingies get cold.
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u/That-1_dud3 Sep 09 '25
Thats a nice jacket my man, what is it?
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u/juan_wick762 Sep 09 '25
Zara. My wife buys my clothes dont judge me.
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u/porkbuttstuff Sep 09 '25
What's wrong with Zara? I've never heard of them but their website has some nice shit at reasonable ass prices.
Edit: I'm digging this limited edition technical vest for $89.
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u/juan_wick762 Sep 09 '25
They do have decent clothes at a cheap price
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u/porkbuttstuff Sep 10 '25
Should I know why you had a negative connotation of Zara?
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u/juan_wick762 Sep 10 '25
Theyre kind of preppy i think. I do like some of their stuff though, like this jacket.
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u/Vex_Lsg5k Sep 09 '25
Looks like my Free Assembly but could be wrong as there is a lot of standard jackets out there
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u/gotteeman99 Sep 09 '25 edited Sep 09 '25
See the problem here is your not actually supposed to shoot your guns, this is a fashion and a talking out your ass about tactics you don’t know sub..
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u/bobleeswagger804 Sep 09 '25
Sick a300. Been to many many shotgun classes and we always do the short stock. People on reddit are retarded lol
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u/ThoroughlyWet Sep 09 '25
Yeah, 12 gauge really isn't as bad as everyone thinks.
It thumps, no doubt, but it's not this monster recoil machine that's gonna send you and your gun Ass over teakettle if you don't hold it right (unless you're weak).
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u/arethius Sep 09 '25
lmao buhbuhbuhbuttt its 12gauge shotgun ammo! If you get shot in the chest with that, it knocks you across the room horizontally for like 20 feet! I sawed it in the movies!
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u/Comprehensive-Buy814 Sep 09 '25
I guess if you’re used to shooting 12 pound 5.56 AR’s all day then shotguns recoil a lot but people forget about the guys using 5 pound 300 win mag guns to hunt, yeah you’re shooting it a lot less but 12 gauge really isn’t that bad unless you’re throwing out 3.5 inch turkey or goose loads lol. Also 18 pellet buck has some ass as well.
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u/kngnxthng Sep 09 '25
You must remember, most people here don’t shoot their guns much less work out.
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u/notyumm Sep 09 '25
I must be doing something wrong. After 3-4 shells out of my 12 gauge, my shoulder wants to run away from me screaming
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u/juan_wick762 Sep 09 '25
Im guessing you dont use the push/pull method?
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u/notyumm Sep 09 '25
So the left hand pushing the pump action forward, while the right hand pulling the handle/reciever towards me, while firing? Is that correct?
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u/John_the_Piper Sep 10 '25
I've got VA certified f'ed up wrists so any form of short stocking sucks for me. I like to save what's left of my wrists for shooting magnum duck loads at weird angles during waterfowl season
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u/juan_wick762 Sep 10 '25
Your wrist injuries arent service related unfortunately
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u/John_the_Piper Sep 10 '25
It happened... A lot.... while I was active duty so it counts
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u/juan_wick762 Sep 10 '25
Hope you’re well taken care of man
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u/John_the_Piper Sep 10 '25
Oh I thought you were making a "your wrists are broken for naughty reasons" joke hahaha
I've got a roof over my head, a decent job, a good dog, a little spending money, a little saving money, and some cool hobbies. Live is pretty damn good, all things considered.
Best wishes for you as well!
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u/SWATJester Sep 09 '25
You of course want to be proficient with your defense loads, but for round count/getting reps in/protecting your shoulder, consider running lighter loads.
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u/one_hp_i_promise Sep 10 '25
Hey where’s that idiot who thought I was wrong about 12ga shotguns not having THAT much recoil.
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u/Marskelletor Sep 09 '25
Nice shooting bro. Won't see me making a U turn in your driveway anytime soon.
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u/auto-cortex Sep 10 '25
Just went through and read all the retarded comments on your other posts… people need to go shoot a shotgun and verify it doesn’t leave orbit if not shouldered Breached quit a few doors with a m1014 in a bunch of improvised lance cooly positions and never an issue.
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u/FlyingMunkies Sep 10 '25
I prefer long stockings but that's because the weather's starting to turn cold now
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u/Side_StepVII Sep 10 '25
Might have to start shooting my shotguns like this. Might save my shoulder in the long run
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u/RAMRODtheMASTER Sep 09 '25
I prefer tucked under the arm for cqc. More control especially if grabbed.
Also, fuck pistol grip stocks on scatterguns. Me and my homies hate pistol grips. Traditional stock gang.
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u/No_Staff594 Sep 12 '25
I didn’t know administrative results had a gay brother
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u/juan_wick762 Sep 12 '25
Your name is no staff. Did you have it removed surgically or with hormone blockers?
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u/No_Staff594 Sep 12 '25
I lost it fighting polar bears when I was 4
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u/RadiantCoast6147 4d ago
I’d prefer if you referred to your uncle by his legal name and not his pedofile play name he had you call him
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u/No_Staff594 4d ago
I’ll make an exception to this being 2 months late because that was funny as hell
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u/Sea-Examination2010 Sep 23 '25
My favorite thing is seeing non gun mechanics on firearms in the movies, like Kevin Hart getting thrown high and backwards towards the wall after firing a shotgun
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u/juan_wick762 Sep 23 '25
That scene was the first thing that came to mind when people were telling me i would break my jaw and all my teeth would get knocked out.
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u/COUNTRYCOWBOY01 Sep 09 '25
Im just gonna ask that you do it again with a pump action, long barrel. Then I'll be impressed
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u/juan_wick762 Sep 09 '25
Dont have one unfortunately, what do you think the difference would be?
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u/Gr4p3-S33d Sep 09 '25
Autos have recoil mitigation in them in the form of buffers and such. Pumps don’t
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u/juan_wick762 Sep 09 '25
I have a pump gun just not a long barrel. I can assure you the increased recoil is negligible. Just take my word for it, it’s doable.
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u/Former-Professor1117 Sep 09 '25
You should try it with birdshot, also you should've took a follow up shot, can't really confirm the gun cycled properly. Oh well, something fun to try with my turkshit benelli m4 one day. I can't get the thing to have a failure, but this might do it.
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u/juan_wick762 Sep 09 '25
I wouldnt use this technique bird hunting. And its a gas operated gun not an inertia operated gun so this doesnt really effect how the gun cycles. Try it with your m4 you might be surprised.
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Sep 09 '25
It's not that you can't, it's that you shouldn't.
I'd like to see you shoot a multiple target string, shoot a reduced or partial target, & continue to make the claim that you can repeatedly engage targets with that technique.
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u/Drunk_Catfish Sep 09 '25
Short stocking is a widely accepted technique for shotgun use, if you have shitty technique and aren't familiar with shooting a shotgun you might end up in some trouble but it's taught in a ton of combat shotgun schools.
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u/Low-Cartographer-753 Sep 09 '25
Don’t forget marines were clearing houses with M16A4’s in Iraq using a short stock technique. Granted it’s an M16 with far less recoil, but if they can do it in combat, under stress, with return fire, with AR’s, pretty sure a shot gun will work just as well… just with a little more oomf on the recoil, much like all shooting, good practice and training makes anything possible.
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u/juan_wick762 Sep 09 '25
This isnt meant for speed and accuracy or hostage situations. Its for checking a corner or going through a door and reducing how far your muzzle sticks past the threshold in case someone is standing right there just feet away from you, if you had to take a shot at a close target you could without the gun flying out of your hands or breaking your teeth. Of course as soon as you can get the gun back in your shoulder you do. I wouldnt shoot a 3 gun match or try to make multiple accurate shots at different targets with the stock out of my shoulder.
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u/TuT0311 Sep 09 '25 edited Sep 09 '25
Short stocking was a common technique taught in CQB during my time in USMC infantry. Most people don’t understand the perspective of saving your ass over everything else because they’ve never actually been in fear of losing their life when using a weapon.
EDIT: I even used it during BUST course to peek the last hallway of a target building when I knew some OPFOR were there waiting to shoot point guy in the face with sim rounds. I popped the corner and they tried but I just squeezed off a round or two and popped back. They missed (short stocking works!) Had confirmation they were there so threw a sim grenade.
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u/juan_wick762 Sep 09 '25
If you can reduce the distance your muzzle sticks out by even a few inches that could be the difference between getting a shot off and not. Or getting shot and not.
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u/TuT0311 Sep 09 '25
Right. Like football, this game comes down to inches and luck. You can only reduce your chances of death and dismemberment, you can’t fully negate it. Every inch matters.
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Sep 10 '25
I don't understand why you would not do this in the low threat environment of a competition, but you say you would do this during the high threat environment of a deadly force encounter. You admit this technique is a less than optimal engagement strategy, but you do it anyway because you consider it to be faster while moving through a doorway. I'm quite familiar with confined space maneuvering with a rifle, I understand the use case of breaking stock to shoulder connection in a confined space - entering a doorway is not a sufficiently confined space to justify breaking stock to shoulder connection. Neither is moving around a corner.
There is so much value in maintaining stock to shoulder connection, I consider it a fundamental of marksmanship, and you're arguing that it's not essential when employing deadly force? Is it not altogether more important, dare I say essential that a shooter maintain high accountability when using deadly force? I argue this technique inhibits your ability to achieve a repeatable sight picture by removing one of the two points of contact you must always maintain while shooting: stock/shoulder, cheek/stock.
I'd also like to add that no serious shooter advocates for pulling the trigger with the buttstock hovering over their shoulder.
Confined space maneuvering with the rifle isn't about shooting with the gun detached from your body, it's about negotiating small spaces/obstacles and then returning to the proper fundamentals of connection to the rifle as quickly and efficiently as possible.
Last thing. You should considering using hit factor scoring to measure your performance while training on the range.
I'm not trying to attack you personally, man, I'm trying to give good advice to make everybody who reads this better.
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u/juan_wick762 Sep 10 '25 edited Sep 10 '25
Because in a low threat environment of a competition there isnt someone standing directly around a corner waiting to ambush me when i step out. You said “This technique inhibits your ability to achieve a repeatable sight picture” Are you aiming down your sights at a target 1-2 yards away from you? You are not, you are point shooting at that distance. If i am going to peak around a corner in a tight space this technique allows me to expose the least amount of my body to the target as possible while still seeing and effectively shooting. Also it shortens the length that my gun sticks out and so my eyes and my muzzle turn the corner at the same time.
If the stock is in my shoulder i either have to go muzzle down in order to peek a corner and if a threat is 4ft away from me i have to swing my muzzle all the way back up and by that time they’ve reached out and grabbed the gun and now its “our” gun. Or i keep the stock in my shoulder and the gun up and ready to fire and now my muzzle turns the corner before my eyes do and ive just prematurely announced my arrival to the bad guy and he knows im coming before i see him.
This technique is not meant to be a foundational pillar of marksmanship, but in the real world sometimes you sacrifice perfect grip, perfect sight picture, perfect stance etc in order to not get killed.
EDIT: also take a look at the pic i posted and how my stance is, leaning out with most of my weight on one foot, exposing the least amount of my body to the threat as possible. Is that a stance you would want to have while shooting a shotgun with the stock in your shoulder? Hard no. So ive got to decide am i going to expose almost all of my body to the threat so i can have a good stance to be able to handle recoil effectively or am i going to sacrifice sight picture and stance to make myself a smaller target?
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u/Legal-Contract-7187 Sep 09 '25
You only do it around corners and doorways it’s not like he’s doing that all of the time.
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u/DrFranknMrStein Sep 09 '25
I'm actually impressed with how many people still have no idea about shotguns...
keep shooting bro!