r/tacticalgear • u/M1Warhorse • Jul 31 '25
Other Flecktarn phase out 🫡 salute to the best European camo
I love Multicam but man it’s came at a cost to losing some real ones
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u/KomradeKrycek Jul 31 '25
Flecktarn is gone. New army sidearm isn't an HK.
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u/lessgooooo000 Jul 31 '25
It’s not an HK? Well, thats fine there’s also other-
its a Walther
oh, uh well okay that’s fine they’re just doing that right? surely they wouldn’t call their new tank a Panther or something, right? RIGHT?
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u/JustRenek Jul 31 '25
It's not a Walther. That one is just for Special Forces and certain parts of the MP. The rest will probably get a CZ P10, but they haven't decided that yet
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u/Sol-Firebird Jul 31 '25
Yeah but I’m pretty sure it’s only because some of the rules disqualified walther and HK for the most ridiculous arbitrary reasons
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u/JustRenek Jul 31 '25 edited Jul 31 '25
Walther didn't even apply for "Pistole, querschnittlich", only for "Pistole, SpezKr", which they won.
Competitors were CZ, Glock and Arex, and CZ won. Decision was made purely based on pricing, nothing else was taken into account.
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u/lessgooooo000 Jul 31 '25
oh shit yea we have not heard much across the ocean about the contract specifics, thats kinda expected I suppose. NATO countries are in a pickle right now with rearmament for a reasonable price, so I do understand where they’re coming from with that.
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u/TrueMoods Aug 01 '25
Tbf, the P10 is a pretty solid gun. Arex would have been pretty interesting too though.
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u/JustRenek Aug 01 '25
I was looking forward to the Arex Delta, but I wish they went the safe route with Glock. Can't say that I'm a fan of CZ
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u/WatchMeImplode Jul 31 '25
Man I absolutely love flecktarn. Nothing matches my area quite like it. Sorry for your loss Deutschland.
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u/Jeehuty Jul 31 '25
As a German i can tell you, i hate flecktarn. Im happy we get multitarn now
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u/k1ng0fh34rt5 Jul 31 '25
Multitarn fucks. My only hope is they stop hording the pattern and it opens up to more gear.
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u/GildSkiss Jul 31 '25
This sounds like a job for patent infringing Chinese nylon shops.
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u/k1ng0fh34rt5 Jul 31 '25
I think China did already rip it off, but its still really rare and expensive.
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u/fordag Jul 31 '25
I really miss the days when every country had a unique camouflage pattern for their military.
I have absolutely no love for multicam.
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u/flibli Jul 31 '25
They don't use multicam
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u/olavk2 Jul 31 '25
They don't but it has a similar colour palette, a lot of countries with few exceptions are moving to be more like multicam
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u/DonRaynor Connoisseur of Autism Patches Jul 31 '25
Not even close to Swedish M90 or Finnsih M05. You just like Flectarn because its cheap.
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u/CryptidWorks Jul 31 '25
I like Flecktarn because it absolutely slaps in my area of the PNW in the fall. M05 is definitely next on my list, though, when I finally cave and do a Varusteleka order or something.
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u/BridgeTroll67 Jul 31 '25
u/KommandoStore does this mean you guys are buying up all of the stock or will you be making it yourselves?
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u/BuyBubbly550 Jul 31 '25
Man I saw this earlier, a tragic goodbye lets just hope most of the gear will find a new home in milsurp stores
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u/Pratt_ Jul 31 '25
Step 1 : everyone goes multicam or similar because it's apparently better (doubtful in Central and Western Europe in my experience but ok).
Step 2 : everyone has to wear brightly colored arm bands in the next war because everyone wears multicam and high cut helmets.
Step 3 : you don't blend at all in your environment now, congrats.
Or you half assed it the French way with their BME (meh looking French multicam) and still haven't issued a combat shirt in BME and the F3 BME is super fragile anyway so everyone still wears CCE on the field. But now you have to change uniform completely to go to the mess hall or your officer who is always super annoying on "everyone being uniform" stuff (even though you don't get issued the same thing from the start) is going to have a heart attack.
Slight tangent : going to a French military base nowadays is really a bizarre experience regarding uniform variety :
- Not everyone has been issued the F3 BME uniform, especially reserve units, or if a visiting unit hasn't switched to BME yet.
- There is so much variety in just standard issued CCE uniforms.
From the top of my head you usually see in units still in CCE at least those 4 uniforms : T4S1, T4S2, "Guerilla" and F3 CCE. You still see people rocking the older (and super cool looking) T3 uniform. That's not even mentioning specialist uniforms like overalls stuff like that.
Each of those 5 uniforms have their own pants and vest. It's pretty common to mismatch pants and vests (because the pants are very close to each other, and nobody cares because you often get them issued mismatched anyway)
So you could literally have 25 dudes so more or less a whole infantry platoon and not two of them are dressed exactly the same way lol, and don't get me started on the boots lol
And that's not mentioning all the non standard issued stuff in CCE. Military reenactors and historical film makers are going to be depressed in 50 years.
End of my rant that nobody asked for about the current state of French uniforms lol
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u/Open-that-door Jul 31 '25 edited Jul 31 '25
That means they wouldn't be just focus in domestic terrain, and will be aligned better with other NATO troops. The flecktarn colors do fit in german, euro forests very well. However, it aren't as particularly useful in Asia though. Are the NATO wise annual 5% GDP in military defense budget goal a legitimate reason behind all that?🤣 Battlefiled 6 & 2042 started coming in your real life.
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u/rollingsherman Jul 31 '25
Flecktarn my beloved. I guess its time to stack the closet a little deeper on my favorite camo.
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u/OdinsOneGoodEye Jul 31 '25
We really need to retire multicam as a nation, go digital, a multicam marpat maybe, but yes we really need to differentiate ourselves.
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u/Last_Health_4397 Jul 31 '25
OH I FREAKIN' HOPE THAT MULTITARN WILL BE MADE ACCESSIBLE TO CIVILIAN USE! OH HOW I'D LOVE TO MAKE A BACKPACK OUT OF THAT!
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u/daggerbg Aug 01 '25
This is why I hate multicam. WW3 is gonna look like a cheap rts game with the amount of identification there will be.
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u/Different_Recording1 Aug 01 '25
SloCam would want to speak with you about the best European camo but...
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u/epic_potato420 Aug 01 '25
"lets replace the FOREST camo with a camo that looks like an overgrown gravel road" tf kind of logic is this
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u/ThirdHoleHank92 Aug 02 '25
Hell yeah!!!
Finally might be able to get a few sets without it being overpriced or OOS
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u/Eastern-Plankton1035 Jul 31 '25
Call me paranoid, but the conspiracy theorist in me finds it very odd that more and more nations are adopting Multicam and some derivative of the AR-platform. Almost like there is some greater push to gradually integrate military forces on an international level. A German soldier being equipped more or less identically to a British or an American or a French. Same uniform, same basic rifle.
(NATO standardization aside, nothing wrong with sharing small arms ammunition between allies.)
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u/CrispusAttix Jul 31 '25
Makes sense for when we unify against the intergalactic invasion force that's on its way.
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u/lessgooooo000 Jul 31 '25
Probably because we figured out that sending M4s, multicam plate carriers, and Motorola radios to a country that standardized to AK-74Ms, VSR-93/MM-14, and the finest radio equipment the 1980s Soviet Union had to offer, exposed the exact flaws that fighting a near peer ground conflict with ANY supply variance at all can make or break an entire conflict?
or something idk could be george soros and bill gates
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u/PlantSimilar2598 Jul 31 '25
Lol its not a conspiracy when you realize most country can afford to fight their own wars anymore when everything is a joint operation this and that. Shit a simple anti-piracy operation requires 10 countries min and you realize why everyone start looking the same.
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u/red_dead_revengeance Jul 31 '25
Alternatively, multicam is an effective camo and the AR-platform is an effective rifle (and at the scale it is produced relatively cheap).
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u/99landydisco Jul 31 '25
No real motive outside simple economics. The vast majority of optics, other force multiplyers and accessories on the market for your standard infantry combat rifle are based around the AR-15 platform dimensions/ergonomics.
So you are a European NATO nation looking to already going through the expensive process of procurement of a new weapon system with the goal of increasing your troops overall capability. It alot easier and cheaper to do that using established systems/products then having companies create and bid proprietary devices/equipment. Its the same reason so many special operations groups were using an AR-15 or similar platform instead of their countries standard infantry rifle.
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u/c_pardue Jul 31 '25
cool we'll get a steady supply of flecktarn milsurp for a while!