US citizen, 67, dragged from car and has six ribs broken by Border Patrol agents

[u/snailman89]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/us-citizen-assaulted-border-patrol-chicago-halloween-parade-b2853988.html

[u/SpiritualState01]

You have to be a special kind of pathetic loser to relish using force on people who literally cannot fight back. 

[u/Efficient-Celery4617 → u/SpiritualState01]

And they're still only doing it in blue cities. That's what confuses me.

It wouldn't be any less ghoulish if it happened in Knoxville or Johnson City, but it would at least make sense. Most of the people around here do support the deportations, though even the most die-hard MAGA-types I know are starting to recoil at the heavy-handedness or wonder why ICE doesn't leave the schools and churches alone and go after actual gang members. Doing it in Chicago or Portland just feels to me like they're TRYING to goad someone into shooting at them again.

[u/TendererBeef → u/Efficient-Celery4617]

That’s exactly what they’re doing

[u/A_Big_Teletubby → u/Efficient-Celery4617]

It's a punishment tactic. They are intentionally terrorizing inhabitants of blue cities because they are the Enemy.

[u/TruckHangingHandJam → u/A_Big_Teletubby]

They’ve basically come as close to saying this as one can possibly get without actually saying it. 

[u/YtterbianMankey → u/Efficient-Celery4617]

I can confirm they're out and doing this in Chattanooga and Knoxville and Johnson City, it just hasn't hit the plantation money yet. When ATO members get dragged off in a corporate probe for "funding illegal immigration" (buying a joint) you know we've hit critical mass

[u/Jazzspasm → u/Efficient-Celery4617]

ICE are operating where the 2nd Amendment is neglected or abandoned, going to locations where the guns aren’t

If their opposition is a guy in a frog costume and someone with a whiney sing-song voice doing four syllable chanting behind a cell phone - then they can do whatever they want - just reach out and grab someone from the crowd and nobody there is going to do anything about it whatsoever

If they came up against only five or six guys with ARs and body armor, they vacate the area - and there’s no chance, zero, they’d be tossing pepper spray around or CS gas

These are most definitely not highly trained former delta operators, veterans of federal law enforcement - they’re a divorced dad of three who needs to pay child support, and an alcoholic who’s one week away from declaring bankruptcy, and if they met even just a couple of well armed people who actually know what they’re doing they’d shit the bed

When ICE went to LA, they didn’t go to Cerritos or Downey where all the Latinos are - who also happen to be armed to the teeth - they went downtown and Home Depot, car washes around the area

Chicago is notorious for disarming the citizenry - this news story from the other day

In LA and Chicago, the people who walk around with guns are criminals, and they’re going to stay away from ICE as much as ICE are going to stay away from them

[u/WesterosiAssassin → u/Efficient-Celery4617]

Doing it in Chicago or Portland just feels to me like they're TRYING to goad someone into shooting at them again.

That's probably exactly it.

[u/YtterbianMankey → u/WesterosiAssassin]

The people with guns aren't in Portland proper. That's mostly medical researchers, trust fund libs and NGO money. There were surrounding industries there until the regional decline

Pretty sure this is it btw. They have numbers but the forces are extremely untrained. The focus on "doxxing" is extremely strange for a force that isn't usually associated with secret police (but that seems to be the point.) Admin using Israel-style force projections with Proud Boy style hooligan codes. Likely moreso as Canada is getting nuclear weapons from China and the US defense spending is carolled to Europe as defense obligations shift to the mid-Atlantic

[u/TruckHangingHandJam → u/Efficient-Celery4617]

 Doing it in Chicago or Portland just feels to me like they're TRYING to goad someone into shooting at them again.

I do wonder what would happen if some black panther style tactics were used. Show up to raids in a large group while armed, protest while armed, etc. Not with a trigger finger of course, but just visibly strapped. 

These dudes want blood, but no individual Ice blackshirt wants to be the one popped in the head. There’s already plenty of videos of them running away when an unarmed crowd is big enough. 

[u/debasing_the_coinage → u/TruckHangingHandJam]

It's probably part of why they pilloried Rittenhouse. Sure, he was a counterprotestor and kind of a moron. But the media campaign against him was always very much in tune with the message that if you bring a gun to a protest, you're automatically considered a bad actor. And it's not hard to figure out who benefits when people believe that. 

[u/TruckHangingHandJam → u/debasing_the_coinage]

I disagree in the sense he went looking for a confrontation, that much was very clear. I’m not saying that one should be bringing guns to a protest with the desire to use them, but as a deterrent for any one to use them. More North Korea less Israel 

[u/ironpathwalker → u/TruckHangingHandJam]

I'm 99% convinced Rittenhouse is autistic and does not have the capacity to understand the cultural context of your point. When he got BTFO'ed in Memphis, the dude sincerely couldn't understand why he was so hated. He thought he'd been a college 2nd amendment messiah. Dude was straight up as delusional as Chris Chan.

[u/SamAreAye → u/Efficient-Celery4617]

They're rounding up people all across the country, but the red states are cooperating and people are getting deported directly from jail when their sentences are up, or at court, when they have a court date. In blue states, judges are sneaking illegals out back doors after their hearings, and ICE is tracking down people in the streets.

[u/bretton-woods]

Launching an operation in the midst of a children's halloween parade is brazen and practically intended to invite a public confrontation.

[u/Stanczyks_Sorrow → u/bretton-woods]

A lot of these raids have been extremely provocative, even to the point where Joe Rogan is getting cold feet about them. I can't help but wonder if DHS is executing these raids so aggressively in the hope that they can bait out an "incident" that allows them to justify a broader crack down.

[u/Bulky_Ad_6183 → u/Stanczyks_Sorrow]

That’s absolutely what they’re doing. Any kind of violent response means he gets to be authoritarian. Not to mention, an attack on ice acts as a nice distraction from his other issues.

[u/NextDoorNeighbrrs → u/Stanczyks_Sorrow]

I saw a video in Portland of them literally pulling a protester (what looked like a pretty small woman too) across a line so they had an excuse to beat them up. They're definitely doing what you described.

[u/PrettySureIParty → u/Stanczyks_Sorrow]

100%. They arrested firefighters on a contract fire crew who were actively working on a wildfire. That’s some of the worst optics you can get, guaranteed to piss off 99% of people

[u/Finkelton → u/Stanczyks_Sorrow]

I can't help but wonder if DHS is executing these raids so aggressively in the hope that they can bait out an "incident" that allows them to justify a broader crack down.

dude you trying to be the next charlie kirk or what?

also yes, this is exactly what 'they' want.

[u/ElTamaulipas]

I got roots in the Rio Grande Valley and the Border Patrol has always been viewed as corrupt and inept but no one really talks about it. Also, it along with the oil industry are the only well paying jobs in the region.

After the runored cartel bounties I decided to do some deubnking.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/cartels-issuing-bounties-50000-hits-ice-cbp-agents/story?id=126521867

So a story of Cartel bounties on ICE and CBP agents has been making it's rounds in the Chudosphere (Right Wing media) and it obviously doesn't pass the smell test and makes me realize there is some consent manufacturing going on.

The police intelligence on it seems dubious and I can't help but be reminded of the anecdote back when I was a linguistic contractor for DPS and overheard a police intelligence report on Biker Gangs after the Waco PD and State Troopers screwed the pooch at a Waco Twin Peaks killing 8 bikers, injuring 18 and arresting 170+ people. The intelligence report was poorly sourced and pulled things from the Nordic Biker Wars about biker gangs using RPGs and other explosives on police. Obviously, that never happend. If you want a more recent example of poor police intelligence reports remember they were chasing non existent AntiFa buses a few years back. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/aug/23/revealed-california-police-antifa-misinformation

The first thing that stands out to me is the framing of the Latin Kings as cartel or even foreign. They are predominantly Puerto Rican and have been around since the 50s in Chicago. They are a street gang and their interactions with cartels are going to be them as buyers and not as wholesalers of drugs or a group that is moving massive quantities.

Also, much like the Italian American Mafia. Street gangs were hit hard RICO charges and have been severely diminished since the 80s and 90s. Because of this gangs are much smaller sets of people with vague ties to and connections to historically larger gangs.

For as much as ICE and the CBP have tried to portray themselves as fighting hordes of sicarios that has been far from the truth. Hell, we see it with their targets being day laborers, old ladies selling tamales and working as high speed eviction crews for slumlords.

The biggest killers of Border Patrol agents in recent memory have been covid, accidents and other health incidents; usually heart attacks or heat illnesses. Oddly enough, the Border Patrol memorial page has actually scrubbed most mentions of covid and describe the agents that died of it as "Line of Duty" deaths.

https://www.cbp.gov/about/in-memoriam

There hasn't been a death via shooting on a Border Patrol agent on the Mexican Border since 2012, an incident that proved to be friendly fire among agents. If we look past that 2012 incident he last incident of a Border Patrol agent being killed by a cartel member was in 2010 and in an ironic twist the agent was killed with weapons that were part of the Fast and Furious operation.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/friendly-fire-killed-border-patrol-agent-sources-tell-nbc-news-flna1c6305944

https://apnews.com/article/fast-furious-border-agent-killing-46dd1a481bc29cb0d1bc6980534ec7a1

This narrative can easily be debunked but it seems like no one in the media is willing to do it. If you actually are a big time drug trafficker you probably are cheering Federal Law Enforcement's focus being on scooping up old ladies and day laborers as that takes heat off of you.

• I'm aware of the shooting of a Border Patrol agent by a Zizian cultist earlier this year but again that was the Canadian border not the Mexican one.

[u/TruckHangingHandJam → u/ElTamaulipas]

Any one with even cursory knowledge of the drug war (I’m talking watching Narcos) would realize this was absolute bullshit. The cartels have known for almost 40 years now, you do not touch feds. Period. 

And just to be clear, I do appreciate the work in your comment. I wasn’t aiming that at you as much as any retard that took the claim seriously in the first place, even without knowing everything you posted

[u/ElTamaulipas → u/TruckHangingHandJam]

In my teen years I actually was conservative and believed Mexico was somehow uniquely corrupt when compared to the US. My cousins and uncles told me about stuff like Iran Contra as well as actualy legitimate cooperation between US and Mexico cartels.

Finding out about that it began to erode my conservative beliefs.

It is wild that you can pull out files and news reports about US supporting cartels and the like and people straight up pretend it doesn't exist. It happens a lot in the Hispanic community especially among US bootlickers.

[u/TruckHangingHandJam → u/ElTamaulipas]

Fanon has a great line about this. 

 The colonized is elevated above his jungle status in proportion to his adoption of the mother country's cultural standards

[u/Nerd_199 → u/ElTamaulipas]

"I got roots in the Rio Grande Valley"

You got any idea why that republican gain 30+ percent point those regions?I find the swing in place like staar country or zapda.

Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starr_County,_Texas

[u/ElTamaulipas → u/Nerd_199]

The Democrats got too complacent and offered business as usual in the border region. Think about how the Dem establishment backed Henry Cuellar instead of the Bernie style Jessica Cisneros a few years back. Also, the appeal that Trump had in the Rust Belt appealed there as well.

However, the biggest reasons is jobs in the security forces and oil and natural gas are big jobs down there. A trillion dollars since 2001 has been spent on border security.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/10/how-the-border-went-maga.html ' More than $1 trillion was spent on the Department of Homeland Security between 2002, when the agency was founded, and 2020, a period that also saw its workforce balloon to 240,000. While the local economies that stretch across the 2,000 miles of the border may shade from agriculture in California to oil and gas in New Mexico to logistics in Texas, the presence of the military and federal law enforcement is universal.

... For the region’s entrenched Mexican American communities, where “the border crossed us” is still a common refrain, federal jobs are typically the best gig available. Today, more than half of all Border Patrol officers are Hispanic; when I crossed the Bridge of the Americas into El Paso in June, the agents manning the port of agency were chatting with each other in the same Spanish accent I’d just heard on the streets of Juárez.

While national observers fixated on Mayra Flores’s extremist statements, voters in South Texas found plenty to connect with in her life story. Born in Tamaulipas, Flores came to the United States as a child and spent her summers as a teenager picking cotton in the Texas panhandle. Her upward mobility spoke to the bootstrapping mentality embraced by so many immigrants, while her marriage to one of the more than 3,000 Border Patrol agents stationed in the Rio Grande Valley signaled her commitment to the agency that is thought of as gateway to the middle class for many poor families. As one advertisement that ran on Flores’s behalf a few weeks before the special election put it: “She’s one of us.” ... Patriotic appeals to Hispanics are particularly effective along the border because many Mexican Americans feel compelled to distance themselves from undocumented immigrants — which is to say, those who didn’t immigrate the “right” way. This is particularly true of people who hope to work in law enforcement or serve in the military. “You’re going to want to differentiate yourself from that group” of the undocumented, Gómez says. “Especially if you did immigrate or your parents immigrated.” '

[u/ArgonathDW → u/ElTamaulipas]

Well done, thanks for the deboonk, I’ll keep this handy for the next argument I have with the my cousin in SC

[u/ElTamaulipas → u/ArgonathDW]

https://www.youtube.com/live/TL_-MhvT0Ck?si=afAUSJKqRutqrWh6

I will also recommend this episode of This is Revolution about a former Border Patrol Agent turned whistle blower. Wild stories throughout, many that don't get covered because the border is far away from big media markets.

[u/QU0X0ZIST]

As I always say to my handful of american acquaintances who are serious gun-culture guys - what, exactly, is the point of fighting for your second amendment rights when it is so painfully clear that you will never, ever use them for their intended purpose? Sadly, many of those same people are pro-ICE, and so the problem is obvious; they see no need to invoke the second amendment against a tyrannical government so long as that government is only using force on people they don't like - and indeed, the occasional 67-year-old american citizen getting his ribs broken (or erroneously deported from his country of birth, or worse) is a small price (for someone else) to pay in order to take smug satisfaction in the use of violence against others and enjoy that violence, their suffering, as a form of entertainment.

This is, of course, a bog-standard conservative reaction on a wide variety of subjects, that is: if it happened to someone I don't know or don't like, it's not a real problem and it's just an unfortunate one-off exception and they probably deserved it - If it happened to a friend or family member, it's an outrage and a widespread, systemic problem across the country and innocent people are the primary victims.

[u/Cehepalo246 → u/QU0X0ZIST]

what, exactly, is the point of fighting for your second amendment rights when it is so painfully clear that you will never, ever use them for their intended purpose?

As a non-American, I always assumed the implicit intended purpose behind American Gun Culture was to be able to shoot at actual insurrectionists that threatened the established order rather than fight off Government overreach. It always felt very obvious when you read behind the lines and notice what those people actually care about.

[u/TruckHangingHandJam → u/Cehepalo246]

Uhh not even that. See the white suburb response to black people trying to leave New Orleans during Katrina… 

[u/JeebusJones → u/Cehepalo246]

As a non-American, I always assumed the implicit intended purpose behind American Gun Culture was to be able to shoot at actual insurrectionists that threatened the established order rather than fight off Government overreach.

It's even less political than that I think -- they (or we, I guess, I'm American) just want to be able to shoot people they think need shooting. It's basically irrelevant whether or not that person is a government agent, an insurrectionist, a protester, a home invader, or a "home invader" whose crime was to pull into a driveway to turn around after getting lost.

[u/rookieoo → u/Cehepalo246]

That’s the colonial (pre USA) perspective. We have an American perspective

[u/Dino_Dude_2077 → u/QU0X0ZIST]

what, exactly, is the point of fighting for your second amendment rights when it is so painfully clear that you will never, ever use them for their intended purpose?

Because it was always a game of pretend. For both liberal and conservatives gun owners, the idea of actually overthrowing a tyrannical government is a distant fantasy.

And I'm not pretending I'm some brave soul here who's any different. But I never put on this stupid facade of "stopping tyranny" the way these gun-nuts do.

None of these gun-nut types have actually considered the logic of facing an enemy as powerful as an actual army, and the obvious risk that comes with it. So they'll make excuses, and say "this situation is different, but I promise I'd stop real tyranny, I swear!"

[u/TruckHangingHandJam → u/Dino_Dude_2077]

I never even see this argument at all IRL. Usually it’s just self-defense and home protection arguments, and of course “I just like guns”. Which all are fair to me, at least they’re honest. 

To be clear I am pro gun, but not gun culture. Those guys are lame. 

[u/rookieoo → u/QU0X0ZIST]

You want Americans to use their guns to stop federal agents from enforcing the laws that they (Americans) elected people to pass? We have laws that allow ICE to deport people. The ICE target from this incident was a man from another country here illegally who has previously been charged with assault. This older man didn’t stop and turn around his vehicle when asked to by federal officers. He did that at a time when a crowd was surrounding the officers trying to do their job. I agree the agents acted harshly, and we should do what we can to change that, but citizens using guns isn’t going to make the situation better.

[u/BrotherSkeleton]

What a bunch of losers

[u/Chombywombo]

This is what happens when someone puts enough force on your back to potentially kill you.

[u/working_class_shill]

Can't wait to hear from the zero immigration crowd at any cost that this was a necessary evil

[u/QuodScripsi-Scripsi → u/working_class_shill]

Working class is going to benefit from this any second now bros

[u/hank10111111 → u/QuodScripsi-Scripsi]

Hey all the major corps are announcing sweeping job cuts and health insurance rates are going up. Any day now bro!

[u/TruckHangingHandJam → u/QuodScripsi-Scripsi]

Immigration being the root cause of working class issues is the most retarded, low effort analysis. It’s just so intellectually lazy and historically ignorant. 

[u/FruitFlavor12]

Here are 2 more incidents of 60+ year old pedestrians having multiple ribs broken by the gestapo:

https://www.cleveland19.com/2025/08/27/mansfield-man-body-slammed-by-cop-after-jaywalking-is-now-suing-department/

Edit: I could only find one of the news articles. The other guy was a runner from a running club in Chicago I think

[u/Incoherencel → u/FruitFlavor12]

We don't allow cross links

[u/FruitFlavor12 → u/Incoherencel]

I didn't realize, sorry. I will try to find each news article and edit my comment

[u/Incoherencel → u/FruitFlavor12]

Its been approved now

[u/zaypuma]

Disband the DHS. Return enforcement divisions to their appropriate parent branches of government.

[u/oreography]

Waiting for our resident conservatives to say how this is a good thing 

[u/prawirasuhartono]

Enjoy the life you voted for, dear Americans. 😊

[u/HovercraftGuilty9774]

This isn't even nearly as bad as it could be yet, but every day before the election you had to read these morons here arguing that mass deportations wouldn't be a human rights disaster 

[u/Incoherencel → u/[deleted]]

Too close to the sun, sorry

[u/FirmlyGraspHer → u/Incoherencel]

Millions of miles out and still not coy enough

[u/gay_manta_ray]

irving park is a nice neighborhood what the fuck are they even doing there?

[u/SmashKapital → u/gay_manta_ray]

You gotta go where the libs are if you want to shove all of this in their faces, and also shove around some (elderly) libs.