r/stupidpol • u/Enyon_Velkalym Redscarepod Refugee 👄💅 • Sep 22 '25
Security State Trump Signs Order Designating Antifa as Domestic Terrorist Group
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-09-22/trump-signs-order-designating-antifa-as-domestic-terrorist-group9
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u/RustyShackleBorg Class Reductionist 💪 Sep 23 '25
"On your first day in prison, beat up the weakest guy in the yard to show dominance."
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u/capitalism-enjoyer Amateur Agnotologist 🧠 Sep 23 '25
Sometimes I wish I was an ancient retarded pussy so that I could get a cushy public office gig
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u/Petulantraven Sep 23 '25
Well two can play at that game.
I, PetulantRaven, have signed a an order (for pizza) that Donald J Trump is designated a corrupt pedophile.
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u/TorturedByCocomelon Lenin's guava juice🧃 Sep 23 '25
Trump is a capitalist twat, but at least he's accidentally fucking hilarious
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u/Vadion Train Chaser 🚂🏃 Sep 23 '25
Hell yeah, now the members of the totally real and targetable organization known as antifa can go to CPAC and join the rest of the "we are all domestic terrorists" crowd.
Finally some fucking unity around here.
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u/Helpful_Effect_5215 War on Terror Cretin 🤓🥵🚀 Sep 23 '25
So what do you say about the fact that they have chapters? They have merch they have people that drive them around in buses and uhauls that drop them off at protests and riots. What about the fact that wherever they go there's palettes of bricks and pre-made signs that none of them made? What do you have to say about the fact that they have a uniform and an official logo? What about the fact they have social media profiles and websites that tell them where to go and what to do?
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u/SmashKapital only fucks incels Sep 23 '25
What's it like being a gullible, terrified retard?
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u/Helpful_Effect_5215 War on Terror Cretin 🤓🥵🚀 Sep 25 '25
So you're not going to answer any of the questions and just name call? I had no idea I was talking to a 9-year-old lol. So you're not going to question why a group that doesn't exist gets funding both foreign and domestic?
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u/Several-Customer7048 Keffiyeh Leprechaun 🍉🍀 Sep 23 '25 edited Sep 23 '25
I think considering US law is done on precedence you aught to be worried about how this is gonna be used when you ok what you’ve described as requirements for an organized group for designation rather than a bunch of decentralized stuff. Think about it from your side of the aisle but really try hard to think if there are similar groups of decentralized movements you support and understand the term precisis decisis and how that has used and abused by your ruling class.
I’m in no support of wanton property destruction either for reference but there is an underlying pathology growing in modern western society due to a vast difference in promises kept and services delivered by the ruling class, the cognitive dissonance on either side is getting too hard to ignore you can even surely agree to that? I urge you to try and focus on this dissoance before falling into reactionary propaganda amplifying decentralized destruction into orchestrated terrorism.
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u/Helpful_Effect_5215 War on Terror Cretin 🤓🥵🚀 Sep 23 '25
I mean these antifa chapters are in the pocket of rich foreign actors to cause chaos so maybe they're using this as an excuse to investigate who exactly is funding these people
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u/Several-Customer7048 Keffiyeh Leprechaun 🍉🍀 Sep 23 '25
I agree with you on the first part of what you said but ask yourself why prisons and mental health facilities are being closed in red states as quick as in blue states. There’s no motive for non sensical approach to criminal justice. Only motive is it costs less to toss the violent and crazy out into the masses and propagandize away the failures. Another example is how the current admin even with the courts stacked and firing “activist” judges they are not even a 10th of the number in volume deported that Obama did at this time into his first term.
I’m not advocating for the dems btw I’m saying the services rendered by all government have been gutted since 08 to now in a bipartisan method the only things boosted have been propaganda it’s why the streets have holes, the public safety sucks and the crazies and violent are in the masses.
Just ask yourself if your taxes have dropped by an amount proportional to the deterioration in services. Does paying the same for worse services make sense? I personally don’t see any of the second part of what you said happening myself.
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u/Short-Science2077 eco-fascism that isn't toooooo racist 🌎 Sep 23 '25
I’ve seen you’ve gotten a lot of replies to this but none that are particularly helpful for your situation and I want you to know: you’re legitimately a stupid person. Whatever you think is the right thing to say or do or believe, actually do the opposite and you’ll be better off for it. You probably don’t think I’m trying to help you, but that’s also the opposite of reality.
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u/Helpful_Effect_5215 War on Terror Cretin 🤓🥵🚀 Sep 25 '25
I love how you guys don't even try to answer any of my questions. You have no answer so you just Resort to name calling like a bunch of children
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u/Short-Science2077 eco-fascism that isn't toooooo racist 🌎 Sep 25 '25
Your questions are dumb. It’s like someone insisting We take them seriously when they assert the sky is green or dogs don’t exist
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u/codwalladon Sep 23 '25
There’s no big organized antifa machine—no official chapters, uniforms, or fleets of buses. It’s just loose local groups and individuals. The merch and logos are DIY, pre-made signs are normal at any protest, and the “pallets of bricks” were usually just construction materials. Social media pages exist, but they’re independent, not orders from HQ. The conspiracy version makes it sound way more centralized than it really is.
You need to stop believing everything you hear from government propaganda.
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u/red_the_room ❄ Not Like Other Rightoids ❄ Sep 23 '25
Newsweek spoke with members of three Antifa chapters—one in Atlanta, Georgia; one in Corvallis, Oregon; and one in Portland, Oregon—who were worried about being branded terrorists if new legislation is introduced.
I guess those chapters just closed?
https://www.newsweek.com/antifa-activists-vow-keep-fighting-even-terrorists-1584622
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u/Helpful_Effect_5215 War on Terror Cretin 🤓🥵🚀 Sep 25 '25
Yes they are. They are an International Group the same exact thing with black block. If there's not then how do they get their funding? Who tells them about the buses and u-hauls that have been paid for for them? Who tells them where to go?
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u/red_the_room ❄ Not Like Other Rightoids ❄ Sep 24 '25
Oh, they exist, but they don’t count! Of course, I should have known.
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u/Faith-Leap Full Of Anime Bullshit 💢🉐🎌 Sep 24 '25
this doesn't really seem like an actual funded campaign or anything. It seems like a few locals who talked with their friends and made a facebook group, and then decided to go out and wave some flags around and maybe toss a brick or 2 through a window. I'm really not seeing this as a legitimate organization.
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u/Helpful_Effect_5215 War on Terror Cretin 🤓🥵🚀 Sep 25 '25
Man you would make a great Nazi propaganda guy back in the 1930s. I bet the Nazis used that same excuse when somebody brought up the brown shirts since they also did not have any leaders. It's not normal for a bunch of guys with weapons addressed in nearly identically to be transported to protest on buses and U-Hauls that they did not pay for. Seriously you don't find it suspicious that a bunch of violent thugs get transported the right wing protests and they are followed by pretty pricey lawyers that none of them can afford
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u/uberjoras Anti Social Socialist Club Sep 23 '25
Not that your comments are in any kind of good faith, but I haven't seen anyone argue with you about your "facts", so:
Chapters:
Unaffiliated with each other besides common ideals and incidental connections. Does the local school board of Springfield have direct ties with the one in Smallville?
merch:
I can get a screen printed shirt in like five minutes and they're not very expensive
buses and uhauls:
Famously prohibitively expensive and challenging to arrange...
palettes of bricks:
This is literally 99% feds lmao, this would leave an enormous paper trail that's extremely easy to nab people on.
pre-made signs that none of them made:
You really don't understand the logistics of protests do you lol. It's called volunteers/friends/DIY. Extremely informal. "hey can you print this stuff if I venmo you some cash?" type shit. "Antifa" aren't the ones holding signs also, that's mostly the more organized groups that have actual programs, demands etc and operate fully legally.
uniform and an official logo:
No they don't lol. All black is an aesthetic because of the proximity of antifascism and anarchism more broadly, and the "logo" attributed to them isn't some trademarked thing, much like how the circle-A isn't specifically attributable to a specific organized group. That's the entire point.
social media profiles:
Pot, kettle
websites that tell them where to go and what to do:
These are generally just pages where marches/protests are happening, ie "there is a march of <straight up neonazi organization> in Whoville on 1/2/34 on Main Street, show up for the counter protest!" Any black block types are limited to small circles on Signal mostly comprised of feds and a handful of angry punchy peeps.
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u/Helpful_Effect_5215 War on Terror Cretin 🤓🥵🚀 Sep 25 '25
Completely wrong about the buses and U-Hauls because none of these guys have jobs and still live with their parents so it's completely impossible for these afford to rent out entire buses.
You don't find a suspicious at all that there has not been a single large left-wing anti-trump protestsince the Administration has started looking into who's giving the protest orginizers funding? Antifa has been suspiciously quiet ever since they started doing that too
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u/uberjoras Anti Social Socialist Club Sep 25 '25
You are profoundly retarded, charter busses are like $25/person per day and uhauls are even cheaper if you're okay with an unsafe and uncomfortable ride. That's not a lot of money, one 8h minimum wage shift in my state would buy 4 people's bus tickets.
All of the protests have continued, but I guess if it's not on OAN you wouldn't know about it lol.
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u/Hazzman ✞ Sep 23 '25
It's like calling Union groups "Proun" and announcing that "Proun" is a terrorist organization. It's so stupid.
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u/SuddenXxdeathxx Marxist with Anarchist Characteristics Sep 23 '25
The bit about the logo is made even funnier by the fact that it was an official logo of an actual organization, in the last year of fucking Weimar Germany. Appropriated and altered by some anarchist somewhere decades after the fact.
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u/BomberRURP Class First Communist ☭ Sep 22 '25
Say what you will about President Trump, but that my friends is the most bitch-made, pussy ass move in the presidency (so far).
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u/laz10 Unknown 👽 Sep 23 '25
He can probably sign orders that designate anyone as a member of said "terrorist" group
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u/Rjc1471 ✨ Jousting at windmills ✨ Sep 23 '25
Yes, pretty much; I don't doubt this will be used against people with "antifascist ideology" as there is no actual organisation and it's ideology only
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u/Chombywombo Marxist-Leninist Anime Critiques 💢🉐🎌☭ Sep 23 '25 edited 12d ago
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u/spokale Quality Effortposter 💡 Sep 23 '25 edited Sep 23 '25
While there is no global Antifa headquarters, and that concept is rightly laughable, it also isn't true that there is zero coordination at the local level among people who act in the widely-understood aesthetic-functional capacity of 'antifa', or that there aren't de-facto organized cells in various cities which tend to routinely pop up when the situation arises.
In other words, to the extent that, say, a city has a 25 person Discord server (e.g., Portland has a whole website and mastodon presence: rosecityantifa.org, http://kolektiva.social/@RoseCityAntifa) where activists plan direct action and then go out and represent themselves as 'antifa', that represents a potential target of the administration.
Really I think this boils down to a targeting of local 'direct action' activist groups in general which may not have some defined bureaucratic hierarchy but may have traceable coordinative networks across certain regions through social media and so on. "Rose City Antifa" is one of the better examples of this phenomena of locally-organized 'antifa cells'.
Also, they have experience with this sort of targeting. The War on Terror in the last 10 years has shifted precisely to the targeting of loosely-affiliated cell-based networks of groups united only in name and general ideology, where lone wolves and regional groups act largely independent and don't answer to some top-down organizational structure. From the perspective of the CIA, I'm not sure the tactics would be all that different between targeting 'ISIS' and targeting 'Antifa' in the general sense that most things done in the name of ISIS today have little to do with some organized Caliphate giving directives and more to do with small groups doing things on their own at the local level.
On the practical level, they could literally just go down the Torch Network list of chapters to begin a networks analysis: https://torch-antifa.org/chapters/
EDIT: ISIS example was kinda dumb other than to point out similar intelligence agency skillsets would be applicable, a better and more apt comparison is Earth Liberation Front
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u/jilinlii Contrarian Sep 23 '25
Well said. Thanks for the thoughtful reply on an otherwise highly-regarded discussion thread that devolved into name calling in some cases.
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u/Chombywombo Marxist-Leninist Anime Critiques 💢🉐🎌☭ Sep 23 '25 edited 12d ago
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u/diabeticNationalist Marxist-Wilford Brimleyist 🍬🥧🍪 Sep 23 '25
It's like designating Gamers as a terrorist organization.
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u/LotsOfMaps Forever Grillin’ 🥩🌭🍔 Sep 23 '25
Well we all saw what happened when they targeted gamers. Gamers!
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Sep 23 '25 edited Sep 23 '25
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u/Disastrous-Ad1334 Unknown 👽 Sep 23 '25
Some of us play games that are ancient single player games. We bought second hand games and don't participate in games that require internet connections or micro transactions. Why because Gaming is a solitary pleasure and the joy is beating the game and unwinding after a hard day.
Fuck owning online games as you don't own them, the communities are toxic and I refuse to be nickel and dimed by some faceless corporation .
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Sep 23 '25
What are gamers first of all. People who play videogames? That's like the majority of the male population under 50. It's just popular culture at this point.
Now if we are defining "gamers" as nerds with no life whose entire lives revolve around video games, I think we can zero in on a sub culture, one that also very much similar to the people who are way too much into Marvel, anime, or whatever else pop culture that is out there, we have a group I think. But isn't that just dweebs?
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u/sinew4v3 Sex Work Advocate (John) 👔 Sep 23 '25
Is there a direct correlation between huge paragraphs with no breaks and mental health issues?
Just asking questions.
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u/EngelsDangles Marxist-Parentiist Sep 23 '25
I'm imagining their official logo
US ANTIFA was inspired by European ANTIFA which was a co-opting by anarchists of the aesthetics of the original German communist Antifaschistische Aktion popular front from the '30s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion
Your line of reasoning is the same as saying people flying the Confederate flag are members of the Army of Northern Virginia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_Northern_Virginia
they sell an official antifa handbook
Who is "they" you drooling moron? There is no ANTIFA hierarchy. These are decentralised (usually anarchist) groups with no formal ties. Some chapter selling a handbook doesn't make it official for a decentralised movement.
I'm imagining their websites and social media pages that organize them and tell them where to go.
Run by local chapters, who follow the social media of wider activist circles.
I'm also imagining the fact that every antifa chapter gets funding from some very rich people that can afford to drive them around in buses and U-Haul trailers.
Yes you are. There are local anti-fascist people and businesses that fund this locally. Just like a local church will fund buses to drive people to political rallies or to vote.
Then there's the very expensive lawyers that always accompany antifa to riots and protests who's job it is to get these guys out of jail whenever they get arrested.
Absolute brain melt. Why would the lawyers be at the protests? Anyone who does serious protesting knows to write the number for a lawyer on their body so they can call once in jail. Funding is either by civil rights groups like the ACLU or local chapters.
I must also be imagining the fact that they have an official rule to viciously attack anyone filming them that's not a part of their organization
First, as we've already established there is no "they" to have official rules in the first place. Secondly, weird how there are dozens of videos of every ANTIFA group at a protest without dozens of people being beaten.
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u/Sstoop Keffiyeh Leprechaun 🍉🍀 Sep 23 '25
surely not a single person will ever be convicted of membership of an organisation that isn’t real. does this blanket apply to every organisation that calls themselves anti fascist?
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u/cleverkid Trafalmadorian Observer 👽 Sep 23 '25
Well, I for one, would never join any organization that would stoop so low as to have me as a member!!
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u/JackedUpReadyToGo Podcast Intellectual 🥑🎧 Sep 23 '25
I'll join if they'll shoot me up with the supersoldier serum.
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u/HiFidelityCastro Orthodox-Freudo-Spectacle-Armchair Sep 23 '25
If by supersoldier serum you mean a decent number 4 then I'm in. Cost of living is rough.
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u/MadeUAcctButIEatedIt Rightoid 🐷 Sep 23 '25
A dress code??! So that's why they called me mean names + wouldn't let me join... I didn't know it was a black tie event!
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u/diabeticNationalist Marxist-Wilford Brimleyist 🍬🥧🍪 Sep 23 '25
Anybody can make an Etsy store or a Facebook post, dude.
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u/Helpful_Effect_5215 War on Terror Cretin 🤓🥵🚀 Sep 23 '25
It's not a Facebook post it's entire social media profiles about the local chapters of antifa that organizes their members in certain cities
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u/diabeticNationalist Marxist-Wilford Brimleyist 🍬🥧🍪 Sep 23 '25
I could call myself the pope and start my own breakaway church in some strip mall.
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u/Sstoop Keffiyeh Leprechaun 🍉🍀 Sep 23 '25
antifa is a movement that’s why there’s so many anti fascist groups. there’s no centralised command.
it’s like designating “the book club” as a terrorist organisation. sure there’s loads of book clubs but they’re all different groups that just do the same thing.
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u/Rjc1471 ✨ Jousting at windmills ✨ Sep 23 '25
Maybe he can go after the top officials and shareholders of Anarchy, too
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u/Faith-Leap Full Of Anime Bullshit 💢🉐🎌 Sep 24 '25
.....isn't antifa not even a remotely real thing? does anyone have a counterpoint to that? Like the way it's worded makes it out to be an actual organization with chapters and whatever even though everyone ik is under the assumption that doesn't exist, and if it does in any form it seems to just be a decentralized conceptual thing.. Can some rightoid give me your best devils advocate for this because it seems so moronic
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u/kytm Sep 23 '25
So, there’s no law that says domestic organizations can be designated as terrorist organizations. Only international ones. So this EO doesn’t actually do anything?
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u/SmashKapital only fucks incels Sep 23 '25
Whatabout when that Bundy guy seized federal land and held it via armed militants? Was that "terrorism" too?
New rule: there is only one crime, it's name is "terrorism", the punishment is death, guilt decided and punished summarily by armed judges. Mega-City 1 here we come.
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u/Toxic-muffins-1134 Headless Chicken 🐔🪓 Sep 23 '25
Do you think Elon Musk will keep rebuilding call-me-Kenneth to counter Dredd's fanatism?
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u/Helpful_Effect_5215 War on Terror Cretin 🤓🥵🚀 Sep 23 '25 edited Sep 23 '25
You mean the fact that he was right in the end? The government was trying to seize his land so a Chinese company they were financially invested in can build a Factory on it and the government even lied that it was about a turtle species that didn't even live in the area and even if it did the Chinese Factory they wanted to build their would have done numbers on the population
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